Hawks tell Bush how to win war on terror

[legin]

President George W Bush was sent a public manifesto yesterday by Washington's hawks, demanding regime change in Syria and Iran and a Cuba-style military blockade of North Korea backed by planning for a pre-emptive strike on its nuclear sites.

The manifesto, presented as a "manual for victory" in the war on terror, also calls for Saudi Arabia and France to be treated not as allies but as rivals and possibly enemies.

The manifesto is contained in a new book by Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser and "intellectual guru" of the hardline neo-conservative movement, and David Frum, a former Bush speechwriter. They give warning of a faltering of the "will to win" in Washington.

In the battle for the president's ear, the manifesto represents an attempt by hawks to break out of the post-Iraq doldrums and strike back at what they see as a campaign of hostile leaking by their foes in such centres of caution as the State Department or in the military top brass. Their publication, An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror, coincided with the latest broadside from the hawks' enemy number one, Colin Powell, the secretary of state.

<<snip>>

link here

[proud patriot]

1. ack !

:grr:

[SharonAnn]

2. Oh my God! Perpetual War until we're annihilated!

What are these people thinking?

[joeunderdog]

46. The book is called

"Busting Heads for World Peace"

[xray s]

3. Looks like Perle's been trippin' on mushrooms again...

[0007]

47. I wish Perle would eat some rooms -

...and I'm not gonna say which kind.

[Lindacooks]

4. Continual war

is their goal. Of course, neither they nor any of their relatives will ever have to actually fight in a war. What assholes.

[ochazuke]

5. This will not end well

The Neo-cons are overreaching mightily and only tradegy can result.

[Gore1FL]

38. I think that is what they are over-reaching for

There is a band of Armagedon conservatives. It doesn't suprise me that they are surrounding Bush.

Someday the real Republicans will wake up.

I never thought I'd yearn for the days of Nixon...

[RainDog]

50. We ARE witnessing a huge power struggle now

between the neo-cons and the realpolitic-ers of the republican party.

billmon had an excellent essay on this. it's posted in editorials- the thread "Twilight of the Neo-cons."

edited to add link-

http://billmon.org/archives/000924.html

Twilight of the Neo-cons?

"...It's been a peculiar war, to be sure: bureaucratic in-fighting with a hefty dose of emotional psychodrama, at times more closely resembling the obscure squabbles of an old married couple than a clearly defined struggle between opposing political factions. Think of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor as the middle-aged combatants in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? ...
Like most domestic disputes, much of the fighting has been done behind locked doors, leaving us to interpret the results based on the muffled sound of screaming voices and the occasional smash of broken porcelain. But the signs that the neocons are on the losing end of the battle have become fairly evident in recent weeks: ... "

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. In all the dreaming they do make one valid point

regarding the House of Saud... but boy does this mean that
they are finding themselves outside the loop again? Does it mean
the adults are slowly retaking control

[Gore1FL]

39. they probably want to open up a slot

for some more bin Laden influence in the ruling family.

[number6]

7. wow

:wow: here we go empire over reach :nuke:

[daleo]

8. Frum, of axis of evil fame

Wasn't he the one that was supposed to have come up with that term in the State of the Union address? These are a dangerous couple of crazies. His mother was widely admired in Canada when she worked for the CBC, as a radio interviewer among other things. That apple fell a long way from the tree.

[bubblesby2002]

21. David couldn't really be the progeny of Barbara.....

Could he really - his mother must be spinning in her grave. She was intelligent and very left of centre. She was a very good journalist of the CBC for a long time.

[Holly]

24. David is

Barbara's son. Isn't that bizarre. A Toronto raised boy, and the son of one of Canada's most respected news people, pretending to be an American neo-con. Barbara was intensely patriotic and definitely left of centre. This guy's the demon seed.

[ramapo]

9. France?

These guys are scary. Remember France was very sympathetic after 9/11. The Bush regime blew that relationship. Now we have Freedom Fries (just like Liberty Cabbage and Liberty Measles pre-WWII).

France does have WMD. Guess that puts them on the list.

[pinto]

10. piece was written in November. Sent to B*sh yesterday? Public manifesto?

Perle, et al are seriously dangerous. Just wonder why this is presented by the Telegraph now....

here's a link I found:

http://www.aei.org/publications/bookID.650/book_detail.asp

[pinto]

11. sorry, publish date was this month, and yes, they are dangerous people...

[DoYouEverWonder]

60. Because Perle is an arrogant asshole

and the Telegraph is his mouthpiece.

He loves to rub this crap in everyone's faces. He thinks he rules the world. Him and Babs probably hang out in the hot tub trying to figure out how to get rid of all the rest of us useless eaters.

[54anickel]

65. Reads like a "How to Lose Friends and Influence People" type of book n/t

[wtmusic]

12. Perle is a pig

A sick, old, fearful, obdurate, (and ironically) evil pig.

[bvar22]

13. The most frightening thing about these guys is....

...that they are NOT being LAUGHED out of Washington.

They are psychopaths. They are unable to comprehend the essential paradox of a "War on Evil". They should be locked in a place with padded walls and studied. Maybe humankind can find a cure, or a preventive therapy for this malignancy.

[RainDog]

31. And they are hitting Bush below the belt(way)

these last paragraphs are "interesting..."

The authors urge Mr Bush to "tell the truth about Saudi Arabia". Wealthy Saudis, some of them royal princes, fund al-Qa'eda, they write.

The Saudi government backs "terror-tainted Islamic organisations" as part of a larger campaign to "spread its extremist version of Islam throughout the Muslim world and into Europe and North America".

--this is a biggie! they are attacking Poppy's buddies here...Bush Sr. is an "honorary prince" and his faction is at odds with the neo-cons.

This is also interesting because, just as Wolfowitz made the announcement about denying contracts to France, etc. when Baker went over to negotiate debt forgiveness, Perle is attacking the Poppy/Baker Saudi alliance.

...and again, in yet another attack, Safire is saying America is going to be attacked soon...and Safire is another Likudnik, like Perle.



The book calls for tough action against France and its dreams of offsetting US power. "We should force European governments to choose between Paris and Washington," it states. Britain's independence from Europe should be preserved, perhaps with open access for British arms to American defence markets.

[psychopomp]

34. Yes, something is def. wrong

Wasn't Perle allegedly at this year's B meeting? :shrug:

Well, from the looks of it they chose the best title to get Dumbya's attention: "An End to Evil." LOL! These men don't overestimate the intelligence of their readers, do they? It should be called "A Means to Evil" since that is what it is.

[xray s]

14. Will the American media cover this story?

No.

[legin]

15. From another article on the story

<<snip>>

Many of their analyses and prescriptions follow familiar neo-conservative lines: the inadequacies and the need for reorganisation of the FBI and CIA; State Department ambivalence towards the war on terror that can even be "actively subversive of representative government"; changing the regimes in North Korea and Iran; treating Saudi Arabia with far less indulgence, even to the extent of accepting secession of the oil-rich Eastern Province, where most of the Shi'ites live; making France pay for its opposition to American policy, and weaning Britain from military integration in Europe by offering its defence industries a share on equal terms of the American procurement market.

In the current political climate, An End to Evil can be seen as something of a rearguard action. Iraq seems unlikely to evolve into the stable secular democracy that the neo-conservatives envisioned. While remaining alert to the threats posed by North Korea and Iran, Mr Bush appears content to "park" the first in the six-power forum hosted by China, and the second with the International Atomic Energy Agency. Like Bill Clinton in 2000, the President is not looking for a big new international fight as he enters an election year.

It is, perhaps, best to see the Frum and Perle book as the opening shot in a bid to set the agenda for a second Bush presidential term.

<<snip>>

another Daily Telegraph article link

[pinto]

19. Their mistrust of the CIA and sabotoge of the State Dept. got us here....

thks for the post, legin.

[murielm99]

35. This reminds me of Mein Kampf.

Hitler wrote the book first, and then did what he said he would do: attempted world domination.

Hitler was never elected to anything, either, but appointed by Hindenberg.

Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, et. al., arouse their followers to become the brownshirts, while Shrub stays above the fray.

I am sure this has been discussed here before, but the book described just adds one more piece to the puzzle.

As much as I hate to say this, maybe we have to buy this book, so we can see what they are going to attempt.

[leesa]

49. Never buy their crap. That's what libraries are for.

[Occulus]

52. NOOOO!

There must be a way to obtain this one without paying for it. Giving money to read it will only contribute to their base, their plans.

I wonder if someone has been brazen enough to .pdf and fileshare this book already.

[leftchick]

53. bush* in 2004 = Eternal War!!

....these people are insane and scare the crap out of me!

[teryang]

67. Blockade NK? Move troops away from DMZ?

Hogwash.

Acts of war against NK will result in huge Chinese military deployments. Moves like these against NK will result in two things the bushit regime doesn't want. Unification of Korea under the Southern government and ejection of American forces permanently from the peninsula and repatriation of Taiwan. The American buffer between SK, China and Japan will be removed. Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

The South Korean government has been vehemently opposed to acts of war, including "surgical strikes" on Northern nuclear facilities.

How does Seoul remove itself from the border area?

[Fleshdancer]

16. Why this much hatred towards France??

France wasn't the only one who opposed this war and if I recall correctly, all they asked for was more time for the inspection process. Why do these nutcases want France as our enemy?? Are we going to try to conquer Europe after the Middle East? Or maybe Wolfowitz promised France to Tony Blair?? :eyes:

[RainDog]

29. a few reasons

France is, at the moment, looking at a possible indictment of Cheney for bribery while he was CEO of Halliburton.

How dare France have laws that would apply to the man who refused a subpoena in his own country!

also, France has been one of the leaders in talking up the idea of a european defense force so that they do not rely on the American military.

we would lose strategic bases, plus lots of pull in Europe if they weren't dependent upon us for defense...but since the fall of Russia, America really doesn't need to be in Europe like before

(and didn't need to be there in such force, anyway, because the CIA had overestimated Soviet military strength, AND Bush 1's "team b" (like Bush 2's team b that supplied its own intel for the invasion of Iraq) overestimated Soviet military strength EVEN MORE...in other words, these hawks were wrong TWICE...and yet they are still trying to pull us into more wars...

but I digress...

America doesn't want any other nation to be able to challenge its will (ala triumph of the will) to power.

and, ultra-right's think that France is anti-semitic and "too muslim." (and France does need to deal with acts of violence toward Jewish citizens, not only from fanatic muslims, but also from the Le Pen faction.)

[Wells]

61. Limbaugh School of Political Rhetoric...

I listened to a Chomsky interview and discussion about imperialism over KBOO airwaves on Wednesday. He said countries are demonized for merely opposing Big Dog, mafia-like imperialists. France's basis for opposition must be played as meaningless in imperialist propaganda. Demonizing opposition marginalizes their input. It's clear what lessons are taught at the Rush Limbaugh school of political rhetoric.

In my own search for the underlying motivations for neo-con malice, Economic Control, Wealth, Priviledge, Prestige and Domination head the list.

Car-dependency is the central, financial means of overbearing, capitalist control. See the USA in a Chevrolet. Buy now, pay later. Resistance is futile.

[Cocoa]

17. more cakewalks

that's just what we need.

The neocons were on C-span over the weekend, they looked a little down. Maybe they have SAD.

[neverforget]

18. Parachute Perle and the neocons into North Korea, Iran and Syria!

They want war so why don't we give it to them!

[pinto]

20. I'll take Rumsfeld for the war fiasco, an elected official for Plamegate

Wolfowitz for GP's and the election in '04. Call it even.

Now there's a Law and Order plea bargain....(hah)

[bemildred]

22. I love it when they eat their own.

I guess these bozos zero percent correct record so far is not relevant.
You would think these guys invented hubris.

[RainDog]

23. Is Perle affliated with the Telegraph or the Independent?

I know someone on this board knows.

--fwiw--

I think this is a desperate attempt by the neo-cons to keep from getting eclipsed by the Baker negotiation strategy.

they want their wars and they want them now!

--it's also interesting that Safire, friend of Sharon, just said that America will have another terrorist attack.

a multi-front attack to beat back the dealmakers.

[legin]

25. Perle is on the board of Directors of Hollinger

something along those lines.

[Oggy]

44. Telegraph

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=851&fcategory_desc=Richard%20Perle

Through Hollinger.

[Norquist Nemesis]

26. I didn't elect Perle

or the rest of the PNAC bunch to run this government. The published words of these wackos are evidence of treason.

[Holly]

27. A good point

and something that has an outsider deeply confused and concerned. American policy seems to be driven by un-elected officials. Is this normal practice or something new with the * evil-doers.

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. The elected officials

are just the worker bees. Sad isn't it.

[Holly]

30. Yikes

Sad....and frightening.

[Occulus]

55. It's the money.

The American concept of the 'corporation' has been twisted out of all recognition into something it was never, ever intended to be. I urge you to read up on the history of corporate personhood in America if you'd like to know how this came about and how it might be stopped.

Basically, corporations here and, through our laws, acting abroad are considered for all intents and purposes to be persons under our laws with the same inherent 'rights' of living humans. Previous to Santa Clara Cty. v. Southern Pacific Railroad, the matter was somewhat unclear, but the fight for corporations to attain the personhood grail had been being waged in the courts for some time. It's interesting to note that only the headnotes for the case can be interpreted to come to that conclusion, and headnotes have no force of law; there isn't anything (that I'm aware of- correct me if I'm wrong) in the body of the actual decision itself that even mentions the issue. Nonetheless, the case has been successfully used in court as precedent that corporations are in fact persons under the law. This is, of course, purest lunacy, and is a gigantic hoax perpetrated upon the rest of the world.

A good source would be a book titled Unequal Protection, which discusses this issue in detail. I've not read it, but there are plenty of Internet resources regarding this issue as well. You can find a bunch of sources at this link:

http://www.ratical.org/corporations/ReadingHTML.html

Corporate personhood allows big businesses to speak with billion dollar bullhorns, and they are easily able to subvert the legislative and political process to their own ends simply by virtue of the amount of money they have. You'll notice Halliburton, KBR, and Big Oil are all prime examples of how corporate needs have heavily influenced public policy in the US and all over the world. These businesses are, by and large, not subject to laws that would put you or I in jail, or at least into bankruptcy; revocation of the corporate charter for public misdeeds is firmly a thing of the past- and to our detriment as a nation and a world.

This issue, more than any other, pops up again and again and again. It's not just the money- it's the fact that the companies making it can live forever, tear off an arm an create a child (then grow the arm back), put part of themselves outside US borders and magically become untaxed or pay much less in taxes than they otherwise would... the list goes on and on.

Read up on it; it's what big business needs to lose.

[pinto]

33. Seems Busboy got elected and forgot to mention to anyone during

the campaign that he was going to turn the government over to the neocons (also, no one asked)....yes, the movers are almost all unelected (presidential appointments)...they are obsessively single minded in their agenda and have cajoled, coerced and cornered enough in the elected bodies to essentially take over foriegn policy.

I don't see this extremism lasting in the face of its own reality, though, you know? Their plan to take over the world (sorry, support a Global Democratic Revolution)is hitting early and hard times.

[Gore1FL]

40. WHO WAS ELECTED?

even the elected positions are not filled by the ones elected.

[IndianaGreen]

32. Down with the ‘War on Terrorism’

Down with the ‘War on Terrorism’

The September 11 massacre was a pretext for the USA to launch its ‘war on terrorism’. This bloody campaign has already seen the USA murder more civilians than were killed in the World Trade Centre attacks.

In reality, the ‘war on terrorism’ is the continuation of globalisation by military means.

Just as capitalism demands the right to enter every area in the world and exploit every people in the world, so the USA now demands the right to take military action anywhere in the world, against anyone it declares a ‘terrorist’, including the governments of sovereign nations.

This global military offensive proves beyond doubt that Imperialism is not a thing of the past – it is the essence of global capitalism today.

Go to page 8 in the following link:

http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/Downloads/Revolition%20Manifesto%202003.pdf



http://www.worldrevolution.org.uk/

[bpilgrim]

36. BANZAI-BANZAI-BANZAI

if we started bombing FRANCE would the world sit idly by?

the ONLY thing these FOOLS have is MASSIVE MILITARY POWER but UNLESS they are willing to USE it it ain't worth SHIT!

and the more we use it the MORE we enure OUR demise.

many americans might not resist but the rest of the world certainly will NOT go gently into the night, been there... done that.

the rest of the world has ALLREADY called the neoCONs plans for global domination and they ain't got NOTHING LEFT but WAR - DUMB FUCKS





peace

[DemonFighterLives]

37. Last years wars were just a warm up

Let's start the new year off with a real bang.
I hope someone has the heart to tell them that they are off their rockers.
Amazing that Bush follows their dreams. They made one fatal error and that is dissing the BFEE's best buddies, the Saudi's. Bush was really hoping to not have to tell the truth about them.

[Gore1FL]

41. This remionds me of West Wing "A Proportional Reposnse" (Ep 3 Seas 1)

Leo McGarry: "We are behaving the way a superpower ought to behave."
Jed Bartlet: "Well, our behavior has produced some crappy results...."
Leo McGarry:"And you think racheting up the body count's going to act as a deterrent?.... So my friend, if you want to start using American military strength as the arm of the Lord, you can do that. We're the only super power left. You can conquer the world like Charlemagne. But you better be prepared to kill everyone and you better start with me, 'cause I will raise up an army against you.... Of course, it's not good. There is no good. It's what there is. It's how you behave if you're the most powerful nation in the world. It's what our fathers taught us."
Jed Bartlet:". . . When I think of all the work you put in to get me to run. When I think of all the work you did to get me elected. I could pummel your ass with a baseball bat."

Unfortunately, We have a dry drunk with delusions of grandier being advicesd by a bunch of bullies with inferiority complexes instead of Bartlet and McGarry.

[Rex]

42. How to win? What the hell are they trying to win?

First country to destroy the planet? These people are nazi scumbags.

[OldEurope]

43. This is ridiculous.

Where would they get the money from? They hardly had enough for that Iraq war.
And really, does anyone think, the rest of the world will tolerate everything?
Seems to be a new psychiatric phenomenon: collective megalomania.

(Hey, shouldn´t I get a Nobel price for that? :evilgrin: )

[skink25504]

45. They didn't have enough for the Iraq war

They borrowed it. And guess who's going to be paying for it the rest of our lives?

If anyone wonders why we don't raise up and throw this gang of thieves out, look no further than your radio. Sure the rest of the media is complicit but it was primarily radio here in West Virginia that convinced every non-reading, non-thinking, "my country right or wrong" person that liberals were evil baby-killing people, that the United Nations had to go, that the Democrats were weak on foreign policy and all the rest of the neo-conservative lies.

Most of our religious leaders spew the republican party line as well. We are a brain-washed bunch.


"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side." --Aristotle

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. There's one other way the borrowed money can be repaid:

with oil revenues. If the US government gets effective control of enough oil (directly, or through compliant US oil companies) by the time oil production starts to fall, and the scarcity pushes up the world price, they'll make a killing, so to speak.
Expect to see pressure for BPAmoco to move more control to the USA. What happens to Shell and TotalFinaElf will be interesting.

[eileen_d]

48. Ugh... "win the war by increasing our list of enemies"

and of course, by overthrowing more countries and killing more "brown people"

It sucks to be an American in the 21st century with assclowns like this in power.

[rman]

51. Prince of Darkness: "just wage total war"

"If we let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely,
and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

- Richard "Prince of Darkness" Perle

[Flagg]

56. Comparing France to Saudi Arabia eh ?

treating France as an enemy eh ?

well bring it on neocons as your AWOL puppet is prone to say
we're not impressed nor scared
Has Pearle ever heard the expression biting more than you can chew ?

France is no Iraq nor Afghanistan. Won't be no cakewalk.
we're one of the oldest democracies around, we have tons of allies and we're respected by most countries on this planet( unlike the US who is feared but not respected)
we provide 600 000 jobs to the American workers, we're the corner stone of the EU with Germany. You hurt us , you hurt the whole EU including your British Trojan horse , lapdogs.

We're still a military world power, we have one of the biggest nuclear piles around ( neutron bombs, submarines etc......) and a projection force of 150 000.

we have territories and lands on the 5 continents and there are more than 250 millions people in the world who are francophone.


you can hurt us but we can hurt you too


wonder if Richey Perle will spend the next summer holiday in his villa in southern France?

Please Americans get these fascists out the white house next year

[bobthedrummer]

57. We must all defend our Constitution against neo-conservative traitors

IMHO. These folks should be locked up and put on trial-Halliburton too.

[Occulus]

58. Now you're talking about

putting Big Biz and Big Bucks on trial; that's ultimately where the funding for all this comes from. Take a look at my longer post above; this is the issue that needs to be addressed for that to happen.

But- you have the right idea. They do need to be put on trial for treason.

Perhaps a good first step would be recognizing, in law, that people can act within the law to cause mass public harm, both financially and politically, and that such mass harm is treasonous behavior (and I hate to advocate legislating behavior, but the line in the proverbial sand must be drawn somewhere, and for me, treason would be that line). Since corporation are persons at the moment, this would apply to them as well :) Then, possibly, a strong case for treason could be built.

[TankLV]

59. My recommendation: Choose Paris then.

God, I hope the rest of the world sees this bunch of criminals for what they are and saves us from ourselves.

These guys are sociopathic certifiable nuts!

Anyone out there listening?

Hello?

HELP!

Again, tell me why this is not like Hitler's Germany again? The differences are fast disappearing.

Mine Kampf and now this.

Simply astounding.

[porkrind]

62. Paging Dr. Srangelove ...

Perle and Frum need their medication increased. What psychos!

[Nancy Waterman]

63. Look at the reviews from amazon!!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400061946/qid=1072908088/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-1683611-4776628?v=glance&s=books

Here is an example:

Funny - This book and it's thoughts are EVIL, December 31, 2003
Reviewer: A reader from CHARLOTTE, NC USA
IF Bush listens to this crap, our country is in trouble.

[Flagg]

66. A nice review

Is the Hydra turning upon itself?, December 31, 2003


Reviewer: A reader from Detroit, MI

I wonder how the previous reviewer could possibly find these insane ravings "perceptive". The Bush Junta has failed to bring any semblance of order to Afghanistan or Iraq - the Taliban are once again terrorizing innocent women and producing opium, and Iraq teeters on the brink of civil war. Thanks to the blunders of Haliburton, the military can't provide its soldiers with consistent supplies of water or even decent gun oil, for crying out loud. Just how is the already overstretched military going to take on the North Koreans, Syrians and Iranians? There are SEVENTY MILLION people in Iran. How do you come up with more soldiers? A draft? Perhaps another Children's Crusade. Will we do without Saudi oil or just steal it from them? And as for the nonsense about "forcing Europe to choose between Paris and Washington", are you aware that France is the 4th largest investor in the US? What would the US do without their investment money, considering that we don't actually BUILD anything anymore? Do you think the Chinese and Japanese will keep buying our T-Bills if we insist on playing chicken with North Korea? This Napoleonic insanity is only going to hasten the transfer of foreign investment to the Euro over the Dollar. But maybe that's the point. Rather than an "end to evil" the Perles, Cheneys and Ashcrofts seem to crave the economic Armageddon that will give them an "excuse" to establish the martial law Tommy Franks discussed earlier in 2003.

[teryang]

68. Very "provocative" review

Previously I didn't understand the apparent complicity of German intelligence elements in the Oklahoma Federal building bombing nor the Atta cell in Hamburg. Perle spends a lot of time in Europe and has obvious ties to another foreign power. This agent provocateur obviously has an agenda opposed to the best interests of the people of the former United States of America.

[54anickel]

64. But, Unca Karl says no war in 04. Thems the rules. Poor Shrubby,

so many voices in his wee little head telling him what to do, he can't hear God anymore with all this chatter.
We should all do him a favor and have him commited before he has a breakdown.

On a side note, I was thinking - Now I know how the Iraqis felt after Poppy's war with the whole world shouting "Kick the Bum out, for your own good and the rest of us". And just like the Iraqis, we are fearful and powerless to take him out -what WILL he do to us.
:shrug: