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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:40 PM
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US military chief (Gen. Pace) "categorically" denies plans for Iran air strikes

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=164521

US military chief "categorically" denies plans for Iran air strikes

WASHINGTON - The head of the US military declared "categorically" Tuesday that the United States is not planning air strikes against Iran.

"It is not true," said General Peter Pace, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, when asked during an appearance in Congress about suggestions that the US military was preparing to launch air strikes on Iran.

Asked by Senator Robert Byrd if he was categorically denying the reports, Pace replied: "Categorically sir".

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:42 PM
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1. (with fingers crossed behind his back)
neener neener neener.

So the carrier groups and Patriot missiles over there are just a coincidence.

I hate these lying generals.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:44 PM
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2. Yeah....
that is because Israel will lead it off and we will conveniently be there to back them up.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:44 PM
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3. Well, it is foolish to even ask the guy, frankly. Unless they're trying to see if his eyes give him
away.

It's as stupid as his saying to the press "Here, let me brief you in painful detail on these top-secret war plans."

Denial is STANDARD. It always has been.

"We can neither confirm nor deny..." is the first thing the PIO/PAO types learn.

How many people who are in the presidential run have said in the past "I have NO PLANS to run..."

I mean, really...
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:45 PM
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4. This administration
And it's accolytes are the most notorious liars on the planet. I think they lie for practice.

And I think I'd rather believe people like Scott Ritter about the likelihood of war with Iran. They're just denying the obvious.......
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:51 PM
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5. Bush's Fake Weapons "Findings"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/world/middleeast/27weapons.html

U.S. Displays Bomb Parts Said to Be Made in Iran

By JAMES GLANZ and RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr.
Published: February 27, 2007

BAGHDAD, Feb. 26 — In a dusty field near the Baghdad airport on Monday, the American military laid out a display of hundreds of components for assembling deadly roadside bombs, its latest effort to embarrass the country it contends is supplying the material to armed Shiite groups here: Iran.


Piles of copper liners, which the military says come from Iran for use in bombs, and which collapse into armor-piercing projectiles upon explosion.

Officers of the First Cavalry Division whose unit seized the components said they had been found in a palm grove just north of the Iraqi capital two days earlier, after a tip from a local resident. An explosives expert said the components were made to be assembled into the deadly canisters called explosively formed penetrators, or E.F.P.’s, which explode and hurl out a high-speed blob of copper designed to cut through tough American armor.

“I’ve lost good friends to these E.F.P.’s,” said Capt. Clayton Combs, whose unit turned up the cache of weapons. “And the fact that we found these before they got to the side of the road is just a huge win for us.”

The cache included what Maj. Marty Weber, a master explosives ordnance technician, said was C-4 explosive, a white substance, in clear plastic bags with red labels that he said contained serial numbers and other information that clearly marked it as Iranian.

But while the find gave experts much more information on the makings of the E.F.P.’s, which the American military has repeatedly argued must originate in Iran, the cache also included items that appeared to cloud the issue.

Among the confusing elements were cardboard boxes of the gray plastic PVC tubes used to make the canisters. The boxes appeared to contain shipments of tubes directly from factories in the Middle East, none of them in Iran. One box said in English that the tubes inside had been made in the United Arab Emirates and another said, in Arabic, “plastic made in Haditha,” a restive Sunni town on the Euphrates River in Iraq.

The box marked U.A.E. provided a phone number for the manufacturer there.
A call to that number late Monday encountered only an answering machine that said, “Leave your number and we will call you back.”

Anthony H. Cordesman, who holds the Arleigh A. Burke chair in strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said that despite those confusing new elements, the United States has been cautious in how it has presented the possible evidence of Iranian involvement.

“The case that has been made has been very careful and very restrained,” Mr. Cordesman said. “If this is unrealistic, it can’t be blamed on the intelligence community. This has had the highest possible policy level review, and credibility on an international level is clearly the major criteria in reviewing everything that was said.”

Other analysts have expressed skepticism that the American military has made a strong case for the Iranian origin of the E.F.P.’s as tensions are running high between the United States and Iran over its nuclear program.

Items in the cache included the concave copper dishes called liners that cap the canisters and roll into deadly armor-piercing slugs when the explosive detonates. There were also various kinds of electronics, presumably for arming and triggering the devices, the PVC tubes, and two types of rockets and mortar shells that Major Weber said had markings and construction that identified them as being Iranian in origin.

The PVC tubes, of several different sizes, appeared to be fittings of the kind of used to splice two stretches of PVC tube together in routine applications.

“It’s worth pursuing that it’s machine-made and you can track the country of origin,” said Maj. Jeremy Siegrist of the First Cavalry Division. “And it’s manufactured for a specific purpose.”

That raised the possibility that the parts were purchased on the open market and that the liners were then manufactured to the right size to cap the fittings.

Captain Combs said the cache was hidden in buried freezers and an 80-gallon water container. “What they couldn’t bury, like the 122-millimeter rockets you see in front of you, was covered in tarps,” he said.


ONCE AGAIN, BUSH LIES IN ORDER TO FOMENT WAR -- WHEN WILL THE DEMOCRATIC POLS BREAK THEIR SILENCE AND VOTE TO IMPEACH?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:51 PM
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6. Not "planning" because the plans have been completed since at least 9/11..eom
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:07 PM
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7. Just how long can the US maintain 2(3?) carrier and 2 expeditionary strike groups off Iran??
What's the plan for these ships????

What about the deployment of the 43rd Air Defense Artillery (Patriot missile) Regiment to the Gulf???

Is this "Surge" thing all just a bunch tinfoil silliness????

Just what the hell is going on here - business as usual???
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 08:21 PM
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13. from what I can tell.........
There's at least three, and three more that can be there on very short notice.

It's definitely been planned......and they will use nukes, the dunderheads. Shit.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:12 PM
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8. sure we believe you, but tell us about israel's plans now (eom)
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:18 PM
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9. The phrase always strikes me as counter-intuitive
"Categorical denial" always sounds like a sneaky denial to me. It would sound more logical if it was called an "uncategorical denial" (i.e. it's not in some special category of denial).

But I guess "categorical denial" is standard usage.

Definition of categorical (adjective)
without exceptions; unqualified; absolute

http://www.english-test.net/gre/vocabulary/words/218/gre-definitions.php#categorical
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:21 PM
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10. Of course, Pace is just chairman of the JCS
If you really want to know what the Air Force might be planning to do, you'd have to ask them.

This entire administration loves nothing more than a humongous game of "Button, Button, Who's Got the Button?" If you ask one person about something, even if they know the answer, they can lie with total impunity because you didn't ask the right specific question or because you didn't ask the right specific person. So what you were told wasn't a lie, see?

I remember back in grade school, we did the Weekly Reader crossword puzzle as a class. If the clue was "Railroad (abbr.)" you had to answer "Capital R period, capital R period." If you just said "RR," there was a host of beady-eyed little twerps (as I recall, I was the ringleader) standing ready to correct you. But then I turned 11, and the whole exercise just seemed kind of childish.

The collective mentality of the Bush administration, however, has never outgrown this impulse.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:35 PM
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11. not us, Israel he meant?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 05:42 PM
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12. Of course not. We'll wait till Iran "strikes" first.
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