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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:00 AM
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man sent to syria for torture
Delivered Into Hell by US War on Terror

by Maher Arar

 
I recently spent 10 1/2 months in a grave-sized cell in Syria, unsure why I was there, unsure how to get out. Fear paralyzed my wits when I needed them most. I was beaten and I was tortured and I was constantly scared. Every day I worried that I would never be released, that I would disappear into that concrete grave forever.

Why was I being held? I still don't really know. I am not a terrorist. I am not a member of Al Qaeda. I am a Syrian-born Canadian. A father and a husband. A telecommunications engineer. I have never been in trouble with the police and have always been a good citizen.
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http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1210-04.htm
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:02 AM
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1. Arrrghh
I have a touch of claustaphobia and reading this freaked me out! I wouldn't have made it. God I hope it's not true.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:15 AM
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2. small story
A iraqi girl in my j-school once gave me a news tip. Her father's best friend an Iraqi...was coming to Canada from the US. He was hassled interagated and beaten by Canadian border guards.

She had a folder with a bellingham police report and everything, but at the last minute all parties except myself chickened out. I left for my internship a couple days later so I couldn't reseach it on my own...these border guards can be spooky people, remember that.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:31 AM
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5. Your imagination is really working overtime tonight
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 02:35 AM by glarius
Are you kidding...Canadian "border guards can be spooky people."...I don't believe your story...This sounds like one of your little fables you keep sneaking in every once in a while between your saga of your imaginary job search as a journalist!....Sorry DUers, but this guy comes up with these little gems periodically....
edit---I don't mean to suggest this guy Arar was lying...I've seen him on TV in Canada and he seems to be telling the truth.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:36 AM
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6. get a life
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 02:37 AM by HEyHEY
I have better thing to do than make up shit on friggin website lady. If anyone wants to validate this they can go to the bellingham polcie department and fill out an information request.

And yes some border guards are spooky people...believe it or not GLARIUS THERE IS BAD ALL OVER!\

EDIT: I love how you put the qoutes after the word Canadian to look like I was bashing Canada, I meant border guards lady

Pretend journalist...would you like to ask one or two duer who have seen my portfolio?

I dismissed you long ago as some old woman nutcase anyway glarius
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:44 AM
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7. I have a life...a good one...your's seems to be imaginary
There is no way you will convince me that Canadian border guards BEAT UP someone. It just doesn't make sense..Go to the Bellingham police department...are you kidding...that's so easy to say...I know there is bad all over...but you really overstepped in this one...Who cares what you think about me....I just don't let you get away with your fabrications....
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:50 AM
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8. As much as you'd love to not believe it
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 02:56 AM by HEyHEY
Cause you're so daft...this did happen the man began to argue with them about being hassled for no real reason. And it escalated resulting in his beating.

And it doesn't make sense? Yeah and the cops in Vancouver didn't beat up those three guys in stanley park, and they didn't beat that one guy and put him out back where he froze to death. ANd the freezing road doesn't exsist..yeah no one ever abuses power in Canada...it's amazing here....you must have your head buried so far in the sand you can speak fluent chinese.

If my life is imaginary than we're all in trouble, I just got a full time job as a reporter...yes Glarius - I'm part of the Canadian media, your worst nightmare....a journalist that doens't live in LA LA land. You need proof?........... I cna prove it, except I don't know if I trust you to know my real name you seem crazy and unbalanced.

But there are DUers I can refer you to to valdate my claims. Ones who I would trust with my real name and place of employment... you must have truly lived a sad life to be messed up.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:01 AM
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9. Boy you sound really nutty!
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 03:05 AM by glarius
The Canadian media is not my worst nightmare...You are a journalist that doesn't live in LA LA land? Learn how to spell, and form sentences....Wow...That's impressive...Of course I know that people abuse power in Canada...It happens everywhere...The world is not perfect...You calling me crazed and unbalanced has really sort of scared me a bit about the sort of person you are...so I think I'll just let you rave on and say I hope you get help for your obvious feelings of rage or anger towards those who disagree with you...good luck..
edit---sorry DUers...this guy and I have had run ins before.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:04 AM
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10. you're the one attacking anyone you remotley disagree with glarius
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 03:08 AM by HEyHEY
Not me, anyone on here that shows a different opinion of Canada you attack, I'm not mad, I just think you're pathetic.

And last time this argument happend about racism...rememebr how many fellow Canadians agreed with me over you..ya you're so with it. Phhf cut down on the meds...you're taking more than the doctor said.

cheers!

EDIT : Yeah run ins always started by you
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:09 AM
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12. What are you talking about...what racism?.....You are making this up!
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 03:27 AM by glarius
We never had such a conversation....No fellow Canadians agreed with you on whatever imaginary topic you are talking about...You are really kind of sad....
Actually...I get along very well with all of the other posters in this forum...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:10 AM
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13. hahahahaha - oh man Canadian DUers..if you recall that thread
Speak up we have this wacko with selective memory now!
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:12 AM
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14. Tell us what it was??? we're waiting????
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:16 AM
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15. I'm looking for it
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:18 AM
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16. I'LL BET YOU ARE.....HA HA...WHAT A LAUGH!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:20 AM
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17. Keep laughing you will need the fond memories when I find it
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:22 AM
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18. Well I'm off to bed...I'll check this nonsense in the morning...
You are a journalist like I am a rocket scientist...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:26 AM
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19. whatever...don't forget two blue pills and ONE red one
We don't want a repeat of this incident
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:43 AM
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20. When I saw the Matrix I wondered What Would Happen if Somebody Did That
> don't forget two blue pills and ONE red one
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:28 AM
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22. Yeah, right...the "Canadian border guards" beat someone as he was...
...leaving Canada for the U.S.

Those Canadian border guards have a REAL history of behaving like jack-booted thugs, don't they? :crazy:

Go post this on the Freeper Board...unlike here, most people over there will believe your little story.

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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:06 AM
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25. I could almost see "AMERICAN border guards" beating someone as...
...he was leaving CANADA for the U.S. Or maybe, as pissed as Canada is about being excluded from the Iraq rebuilding contracts, CANADIAN border guards beating the crap out of anyone crossing over FROM the U.S. (We're loved, everywhere we go! Just ask us!)

Depending on your frame of mind at the time, I would suppose ALL border guards, from any country, can appear pretty creepy ("Your papers, please?"). But apparently, Mr. Arar never even got NEAR a border guard -- Canadian or any other. He was plucked out of the international stopover area because Boosh thinks he has ties to al-Qaeda, al-Jazzera, al-Gore, and a missing case of Lone Star long-necks.

I might be wrong here, but don't you traditionally deport someone back to their official country of residence, which isn't necessarily their country of birth (unless you're a naturalized U.S. citizen, in which case it would have to be your country of birth)? But Mr. Arar isn't a U.S. citizen! Where do Boosh and his Boyz get off deporting the resident of another country to a third country which apparently has the cheapest rates for torture?

I suppose there's no time for such quibbles when you're running a Crusade.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:24 AM
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3. ugh
its a shame we can't have someone moaning about "having more support for the terrorists than their victims, alienating the mainstream and the sacred swing voters" in cases like this any more...
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:24 AM
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4. Is this the guy who was publicized?
I remember reading about a Canadian citizen who was deported to the Middle East. Is this the same one, or this the first publicity this guy's receieved?

After spending sixteen years in public education, I could break a lot of bones if I could get my hands on my tormentors. I can't imagine what it must be like to be imprisoned and tortured physically, as well as mentally.

I hope this guy launches a website.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:22 AM
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21. Yep...same ugly story....
...Homeland Security = Gestapo.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 03:07 AM
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11. How will our nation atone for this atrocity?
For this, or for the children last week in Afghanistan, or those next week, or for Iraq, for any of it. . .for all of it?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:49 AM
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24. Atonement? What a quaint idea. The god of manna requires no such act..n/t
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:37 AM
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23. US gov. subcontracting torture to a country the same admin.
accuses publicaly of supporting terrorism...

US politicians have turned hypocrisy into an art form!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:08 AM
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26. foktarded
Please use the article title as the title of your post.

"Delivered Into Hell by US War on Terror"

Thanks.
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