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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:40 PM
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New TSA Carry-On Baggage Rules
Flying? New TSA Carry-On Baggage Rules

<edit.. I personally thing that the "plot" is a fuckin lie to keep us frightned>

http://channels.isp.netscape.com/whatsnew/default.jsp?s...

If you're flying soon, the rules concerning what you may and may not carry onto the plane with you just changed in response to the arrest in the United Kingdom of people accused of plotting to destroy aircraft bound from England to the United States by exploding liquids in their carry-on bags.
Find out the details of this thwarted terrorist plot.

Effective Thursday, Aug. 10, travelers are no longer allowed to bring the following items on board the airliner:
--All liquids of any kind, including drinks
--Gels
--Lotions and creams, including hand lotion and sunscreen
--Contacts may be brought on board in their cases, but the cases cannot contain liquid.
--Hairspray
--Toothpaste
--Shampoo and conditioner
--Liquid makeup
--Perfume
--Anything else that has a liquid or gel-like consistency.

Higher security means long lines and chaos in airports nationwide.

If you bring any of these items through airport security, TSA agents will confiscate them from your carry-on luggage; however, you may still place them in checked luggage. Some exceptions are granted for passengers traveling with an infant or small child. Baby formula, juice, bottled breast milk and baby food are allowed, but they will be tested by the TSA to ensure they are not explosives. Prescription drugs, insulin and some nonprescription medication are also allowed with proper identification. The new procedures cover all flights, both international and domestic. Currently, laptop computers, cell phones and other electronic devices are allowed, but that is subject to change.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:44 PM
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1. Fucking ridiculous.
Next step: boarding naked. With tatoos.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:12 PM
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41. Totally. Maybe not contacts either-they could be of plastic explosives!
so that tiny amount of liquid could be dangerous, by their idiotic thinking? What if this material what ever it is to be able to be dangerous at such small volumes could be kept under the tongue in a small vial? Is anyone in any public or leader capacity questioning this? Pure insanity.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:25 PM
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55. Unbelievable
You cannot put contact lenses in a case without solution to keep them moist. They will dry up and be ruined. I fail to understand how a minute amount of liquid could even be dangerous anyway. Overreaction is the word of the day.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:11 PM
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81. Totally. We need a picturesque phrase to describe official hysteria.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:14 PM by aquart
This isn't exactly crying WolF! or The sky is falling! What, exactly, is it? Aside from a sleight of hand practiced by a fascist government which wishes to be perceived as both strong and benevolent.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
74. I wonder if we get to keep our Bics now
in return for the contact lens solution and shampoo.
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gmtmaster Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
75. God forbid you might be slightly inconvenienced...
What do you want? We live in a world full of nut cases...I have just the answer for you.... DONT FLY...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:08 PM
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80. Thank you for your concern. Welcome to DU.
So how many thousands of people missed flights and lost property like expensive and beloved perfumes (you dump my Must de Cartier over my cold dead corpse) because of this hysteria? The plot was foiled at the beginning of the week, but security measures were only demanded NOW? So they left us in danger for how long?

THERE WAS NO DANGER. The plot was foiled. The chemicals were never purchased. The plane tickets were never bought. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THIS DISPLAY OF MILITARISTIC HYSTERIA. Everyone could have flown in complete comfort and safety. They wanted to panic us.

But I lived thru 9/11 in Lower Manhattan and I already know what happens when terror strikes: if you live, you go on living. Panic is pointless and ridiculous. There's too much to do. This was a display of useless official panic. NOBODY was safer for it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. Welcome to DU. You seem like a REAL PEACH. Enjoy your stay.
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gmtmaster Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #85
145. Yep.. Nice and fuzzy.. And I speak my mind...
Sorry if I ruffled you...;> ;)
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #75
91. hey there, nut case n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #75
124. Why the unnecessary rudeness?
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #75
151. "We live in a world full of nut cases"
uh-huh...
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:45 PM
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2. Contacts in their cases without liquid...
crack and dry out if they're soft lenses. Boy, I'm glad I'm not flying anywhere.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:53 PM
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7. What about those that have prescription eye drops ....
Whether for glaucoma, infection, or severe dry eye... these are not a "nicety."

As for me, I can not wear glasses and would be essentially blind without contacts... There is no way I could go coast to coast without artificial tears or some solution. Otherwise, I would likely develop keratitis and corneal ulcerations--both which could cause a permanent loss of sight if not treated.


This is just insane...
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Sigh. My wife has dry eyes sometimes too.
I think it's friggin ridiculous to have to fly out of Denver International Airport late at night with contact rewetter. I told the wife that she has to go on with her glasses, and she isn't thrilled about it. She's flying out tonight to New York.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. She's lucky she can wear glasses...
I haven't been able to, since a very young child... (depth perception problems I was never able to adjust to--leading to nausea and migraines)
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #16
38. yes, the point is all can't wear glasses to correct vision
these fluids are a necessity to preserve sight for many
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:01 PM
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39. Put it in checked baggage
I think this is overkill, but it's not unreasonable. If they get rid of computers, CD players and Ipods, though, I will go berserk.
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. checked baggage
If you are on a long flight, even one of more than 3 hours, that won't work very well.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #39
61. me too
I use the MP3 player to drown out the noise around me. Noise-cancelling headphones are one of the best inventions ever and MP3 players a godsend to anyone who uses music to relax in flight. No cumbersome cds. I would hate to be stuck listening to the pathetic offerings of the inflight music.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #39
76. I'm afraid there is a real lack of understanding for the seriousness
Those who have some of these conditions likely have to apply drops several times throughout the day and even more often, given the dry conditions of an aircraft cabin.

Just saying "check it" doesn't cut it...
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. thanks hithe2b
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 10:03 PM by pitohui
i agree, the people saying "check it" must not fly w. any real health issues that requires hydration

let's see, they are saying get in line for security 3 hours early -- that's already 3 hours of waiting w.out your stuff -- then there is boarding the plane, then there are possible delays, but even an on time transatlantic flight i don't think the flight itself is ever less than 6 hours and often much more


they're worried about being w.out a durn ipod, don't seem to realize your concern is preserving your EYESIGHT!
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
52. I read on the United Airlines website that Insulin and other prescriptions
can go on as long as they are in their original container and the prescription matches the name on the passenger ticket. It is, however, subject to being checked out. But over the counter eye drops...I would think they would have to be checked or tossed.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:14 AM
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155. Shit, that's a good point.
I was planning on flying out to see my parents this Christmas. Can't happen if I have to take glaucoma drops (I have an appointment in one week to get testing done, since this is the second doctor in six years who thinks I have it, and indepedently of each other - kinda worried, since I like my eyes).

Damn it. All for this bullshit plot proven liars say they foiled!

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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #2
23. i'm sorry
this has gotta be bullsh*t

cmon

i had the same reaction when i read it about the contact lenses


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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #2
136. How the hell much liquid is in a contact lens case?
A couple of DROPS. Give me a BREAK.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #136
152. About a teaspoon or less...
for each lens. It depends on the case, some have more room than others.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:46 PM
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3. Well, Babs shouldn't have to worry. That stuff does nothing for her.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. Gaaaaa......It's the beast!!!
Beastly Babs.
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
27. Oh.My.God. That picture is horrible. Is that Bar's hand?
It looks like a man's arm and hand.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:46 PM
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4. Bush's War on Toiletries.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. No more KY-Jelly!
Taking all the fun out of in-flight entertainment.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Oedipal....
Bush* doesn't want to think of Poppie "servicing" his dear (dried up Prune) Mommy
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:48 PM
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5. The airlines better provide bottled water on board
and as soon as you board, in case you end up waiting an hour to take off. If anyone in authority had taken time to THINK before acting, they'd realize there's no reason why people can't buy bottled beverages IN the airport, after they've gone through security.

I'll have to start checking my luggage - means another 45 minutes in the airport waiting for it to show up on the luggage carousel. Glad I bought those new combination locks approved by TSA. That way, if anything's stolen, TSA can't blame it on the airline/airport handlers.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. What does the Shrub
have against liquids and gels? Bad experience with KY Warming Gels over the weekend?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. This, at a time that airlines have been shutting down the A/c
when loading/unloading and prior to takeoff to save fuel. There have been several news articles and postings about people delayed on planes in intense heat.. Now we add dehydration..... :mad:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. prob. at 5$ a bottle
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. Road warriors aren't going to like this one bit.
Many people will be hard pressed to travel without any liquid or gel toiletries. The choice becomes checking that rollaboard or buying trial sizes at every stop.



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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. My Dad travels alot for business... he is ticked
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
84. Both costly and dangerous.
Buying toiletries in a strange place from strange people? Could be poisoned. Could be laced with germ warfare. Who's to know?

Let's keep that paranoia going!
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. they won't let you on with bottled water!
I traveled abroad last year and they would not allow me on the airplane with 3 bottles of sealed bottled water to drink!

This is nothing new! :grr:

:kick:

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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. What Airline
I travel abroad at least once a year and always
take 2-3 bottles of water or other beverage. I
have never been refused, the only thing I ever had
to do was take a drink if the seal was already
broken, and I haven't had to do that since 2002.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
46. it was UNITED AIRLINES
and god damn they piss me off!!!

I ended up arriving at my destination dehydrated! I had to seek medical attention in fact! :grr:

:kick:
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #28
44. they will come up with security seals on the water sold in airports or
something dumb like that, enabling a higher charge for water.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
56. This will mean some very grumpy flight attendants.
People are going to be very upset without food and beverage in hand on planes. How long before this rule goes by the wayside because the airlines don't want to cary 2-3 times as much food and drink on the plane and run the flight attendents ragged trying to hand it out?
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
63. Yes I always try to take a snack with me
the food sucks on airplanes now (if there even is any).
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #63
86. My sister is diabetic. They never have food she can eat.
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:20 PM by aquart
Airlines seem to think diabetic is the same as dietetic.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. They haven't banned food though yet, have they?
I hate to think what will happen to all those toddlers whose parents bring cheerios for them to snack on to keep them quiet.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #87
96. Or the innocent souls sitting next to them.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:00 AM
Response to Reply #87
103. Yes -- no outside food, drink, reading material, toys, etc.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #103
137. They haven't banned reading material
At least not on US flights.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #137
147. oh UK flights they have
and a US congressman from michigan is proposing we do the same

don't sit back and think it can't happen here

fax/phone your congresscritter and let him/her know these restrictions are unacceptable
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:01 AM
Response to Reply #5
104. Of course there's a reason.
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:03 AM by Tesha
> If anyone in authority had taken time to THINK before acting,
> they'd realize there's no reason why people can't buy bottled
> everages IN the airport, after they've gone through security.

Of course there's a reason. How hard do you suppose it would
be to subborn the guy who drives the Pepsi delivery truck and,
if necessary, the minimum-wage cashier at Hudson News?

It would be pathetically easy to get special containers of
"Mountain Dew Code Red" onto the plane using that method.

Tesha
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:55 PM
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10. so, the TSA employee is going to drink breast milk. kinky
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
33. Oh, Lord, thank you for the laugh. I needed that one.
:thumbsup:
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jgmiller Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:57 PM
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15. Prescription Drugs / Insulin
Ok you need to allow prescription drugs and insulin but did these geniuses bother to think about this? Terrorist organizations seem to have no problem traveling the world, buying bombs, missles etc. Do they think they couldn't buy a pharmacist? So you ban everything but this, gee I wonder what they'll try next? I mean seriously this is as dumb as the shoe thing, after the shoe incident I joked that whats to stop a terroist from trying the belt bomb or the bra bomb?

The people who make up these rules define the term "Close the barn door after the horse gets out".
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. I used that EXACT phrase when I heard about this
It's like they go "Oops!" AFTER THE FACT.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. That's one less place you have to look
If you close the barn door after the horses get out, then you don't have to look for them in the bard, 'cuz you know they won't be there. Jeez!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:07 PM
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17. Contacts in a case without liquid will petrify
Seriously -- we were going to Mexico in October. Not now. I'm glad I haven't bought the tickets yet. We'll just have to drive down to Wrightsville or Myrtle Beach instead.

They are bonkers.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #17
57. Yeah this will lose them even more buisness.
I wonder how long this will last. The airlines are going to get hurth this way.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:09 PM
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19. What happens if they discover the plan involved suppositories?
What if the hijackers put the liquids in suppositories?

Will we have full body cavity searches next?

This is un-fucking-believable. The terrorists have already won, they don't even need to blow up a plane, all they have to do is plan it and be discovered.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #19
88. If I were a terrorist with a sense of the absurd...
I would indeed put it over the secret communication chatter airwaves that the explosives would be woven into the clothing......perhaps women's underwear.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #88
93. I have an even more absurd sense
They might start some genetic engineering experiments and inject explosive cells into their bodies, or cells that are engineered to produce the explosive precursors, and the chemical comes out in their pee.

Piss tests for everybody!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. Not as much fun as watching your victims board naked.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:17 PM
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22. i wear soft contacts

glad i'm not travelling any time soon. and to say you can't carry a case for your very expensive prescription glasses?

just think of the poor folk who have to spend 12/18 hrs in a plane w/ no hygiene supplies!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:23 PM
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25. Insulin?
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 02:27 PM by KansDem
I flew recently and took my insulin with me on board. I didn't want to take the chance that my luggage might not arrive at my destination, as that would mean I wouldn't have my insulin when I landed with no idea when it would arrive.

So what am I to do on future flights if this draconian measure is adopted by US airlines? After all, insulin looks a lot like nitroglycerin.

on edit: Sorry, I didn't see post no. 15 and its responses, but still this is a concern for me for the reasons stated.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:24 PM
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26. Of course, none of this applies to corporate jets.
Bush's close friends shouldn't have to be stained by such indiginities. They are above such suspicions.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:38 PM
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29. Meanwhile, wealthy CEOs, high-level biz execs and govt. leaders
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 02:39 PM by SimpleTrend
will continue to air-travel using 'non-commercial' planes, and won't be similarly inconvenienced.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:42 PM
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30. This will make money for J&J, Schering Plough and Avon
If people can't take that stuff with them, they will have to buy it on the other end.

Also, in flight drink service....cha-ching.
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:45 PM
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32. Sucks to be a duty-free shop now, though....Liquor, perfume, etc..n/t
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:50 PM
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34. Shit, I always sneak on mini bottles of vodka to mix with my OJ. /nm
nm
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Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:13 AM
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128. Funny I never had to sneak in my flask
I all ways fly with it. Now the airlines object but I never had a problem.
Oh well no more
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:51 PM
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35. Couldn't you fill a pen with some kind of poison?
Are they going to take pens aways next?
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:54 PM
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36. thanks a whole lot
there goes the in-flight crossword.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:35 PM
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58. Would have suggested pencil but...
I guess thats probobly a weapon too.

You think my noise canceling headphones would be too 'gell like' on the ear peices?

I am not planning any travel and at this rate I am glad of it. It was nice having airlines but I am not sure I will miss them all that much.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:09 AM
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107. You've identified the basic problem.
> Couldn't you fill a pen with some kind of poison?
> Are they going to take pens aways next?

You've identified the basic problem.

NO MATTER HOW CLOSELY YOU SCREEN, a creative
person who is willing to give up their life can always
think of ways to attack an open society. For example,
thousands of women board planes every day carrying
several kilograms of liquid or gel carefully concealed
within their bodies.

The trick is to get fewer people to hate us, but we're
moving rapidly in the opposite direction these days.

Tesha
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:39 PM
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148. I was thinking about this today. My husband has to fly about
ten hours from central US to London in a few weeks. I was thinking about "What would I do if I was in his place?" and coming up with ways that I believe I could successfully board small amounts of stuff in very small, thin plastic tubes sewn into clothing.

I don't think I could manage with these rules if I was still flying with contact lenses.
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:54 PM
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37. This is positively insane.
No liquid allowed in carry-on luggage? Okay....
Detonated with iPods? Okay....

Let's just assume for a moment that this makes any logical sense at all. (Actually, if anyone can tell me the physics of just how something like this could possibly work, please let me know. It sounds awfully made-up to me.)

Anyway, let's say it's a real threat. Why does putting said liquid in checked-in bags make any difference? If someone planned to detonate one of these bottles or containers using an electronic device as what I can only assume would be a remote-control detonator, why does it matter whether the explosive is in the cargo hold or in the cabin? Wouldn't the remote still work?

This whole thing just smacks of something to induce more paranoia.

Do I doubt there was a foiled terrorist plot? Not really. But I really don't buy the whole "liquid explosive detonated with an iPod" story either.

Just another story to make us all a little more crazy.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:33 PM
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141. I agree with you but...
..the argument is that checked bags are sniffed for explosives and carry on bags aren't.

I'm skeptical that most checked bags are sniffed.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:12 PM
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40. Do they allow digital camera?
It is not on that list.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:14 PM
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42. good because I inject the bomb material into my skin
BEFORE I go through security. then i sweat it out and collect it onto my tray table where I can ignite it. these rules mean NOTHING to me

BBBBBWWWWAAAAAAHHHHAAAAA
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:15 PM
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43. I am *so* looking forward to flying
no water in a dry, overheated plane, no reading materials, so phone to let people know the flight's been delayed again.....

Home's looking nicer all the time.

I flew from Heathrow to SFO the day Bush started bombing Iraq. The airline folk took out all of everybody's carry-on stuff, examined it, and gave it back. That I can live with. Blanket bans on essential travel items (tried to find a public phone recently?) I can not.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:17 PM
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45. It's all a conspiracy by Johnson and Johnson
to boost sales.

Buy stock now!!! :)
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:24 PM
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47. The Truth, banning all carry ons is only way to make planes secure
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 03:26 PM by jseankil
Rig up a laptop that replaces the liquid in its cooling system if you want to get some kind of explosive liquid on a plane, replace the ink from a pen with a poison, the list goes on and on what you can do hence the need to A. ban all carry ons or B. Install detection machines that everything has to go through. Banning all items could actually help airlines who could then rent out inspected items on the plane, from laptops to contact solutions.


Unfortantly detection machines are a must even if carryons are banned as there is more than 1 tunnel to the rabbit.

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SouthernLiberal Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:17 PM
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49. And when someone finds a way....
to create an expolisive fabric... we'll be required to fly naked, with no luggage at all.
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:34 PM
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51. Liberace had some pretty explosive fabric. /nm
nm
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 04:30 PM
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50. Laptops don't have liquid cooling systems.
Just saying....

Though the cords make fabo garottes and mentos and diet coke are really dangerous.

No more breath mints!

I am never getting on another plane - those people running the system are evil loonies.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:14 AM
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108. Yes they do. "Heat pipes"
> Laptops don't have liquid cooling systems.

Yes, nearly all serious laptops now do have liquid
cooling systems in the form of one or more "heat pipes".

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe

Tesha
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:06 PM
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150. But there's very little liquid in a laptop heat pipe
not nearly enough volume to make anything more spectacular than a glorified firecracker, and that's assuming you could reseal the system (heatpipes are sealed and welded, don't think you're going to re-weld that thing with any kind of explosive in the heatpipe tube!) Now the battery shell OTOH...

Todd in Beerbratistan, PC technician
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 11:47 AM
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156. There's very little liquid in a *REAL* heatpipe.
What I think you mean is "There's very little liquid in a *REAL* heatpipe." ;-)

Tesha
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:50 PM
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59. Nope, it will never be secure
No matter what the security guys think of, the bad guys will still find a way around it.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:09 PM
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53. So much for my almost 3 year old taking her juice cup with her on a plane

Always suspected her of being a terra-ist.

Guess that bit in F9/11 about Homeland security stopping that mom from bringing her breast milk on a plane for her baby finally caught up.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:19 PM
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54. Just spent all day getting glasses made so I can return
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 05:20 PM by JCMach1
home to the UAE on Sunday for a bullshit threat that has been around since BEFORE 9/11...

:grr:

This ruined one of my last days home with my family!

BTW (on edit) it cost 5X as much to get glasses made in the US... :(
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:08 PM
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66. You had to get glasses because of the contact lense solution ban
This is all so ridiculous! What a bunch of 'tards and lemmings are Americans. Terrah! Terrah! Terrah!
Boo!
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:26 PM
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71. The trip is extremely long and as you know planes
are very dry places... No saline simply wouldn't work.

I didn't bring my glasses because I wear contacts 95% of the time
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:30 PM
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72. That's what I thought since I am the same
with my contacts. What an expensive hassle for you and for something so innocuous as lens solution. :crazy:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:55 PM
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60. According to this article they need to be banning powders
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 05:55 PM by RamboLiberal
and all electronic devices.

--snippets--

Bomb experts and troubleshooters for airline security interviewed by The Associated Press said mobile phones, computers, wrist watches or anything else with a battery should be prohibited from flights.

The threat first appeared in January 1995 in the Philippines, when police stumbled on a suspected al-Qaida plot to target U.S.-bound planes with bombs based on nitroglycerine carried on board in containers for contact lens solution.

Even then, baby formula was excluded from the ban even though, in powdered form, it can provide a good vehicle for masking crystallized explosives.

Hatcher said liquid bombs were not the most likely explosive. He said it was far more likely a terror cell would try to smuggle on an explosive in crystalline or powder form and to combine it with an acid-based compound.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14287493/
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MysteryToMyself Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:58 PM
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135. A guy on TV
said that alcohol can be used to make a bomb if it is mixed with Peroxide and set off with a cell phone call. But as he said it they showed a dry granule mix. I may have missed something. I assumed it was rubbing alcohol, if not, if it is drinking alcohol there will be no drinks on flight.

The answer to most of this is a sleeping pill that lasts as long as the trip. No kidding. Take a sleeping pill when you board and sleep until it is over.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 07:57 PM
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62. I wouldn't want to have to put laptops, etc in baggage
for fear they would end up stolen or broken. The way they toss those bags around,I am surprised anything makes it. I wouldn't trust my laptop to them. Have to get a Pelican case I guess for that stuff.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:16 PM
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83. I'm Flying on Wednesday
I'm worried that I'm going to have to check my laptop. Of course, I'm flying within the US, so the rules might be different.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:23 PM
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89. Well Pelican makes industructible cases
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:25 PM by alarimer
but they are very expensive. It might be the only recourse for electronics, if we end up having to check them.

Of course they all but scream "Expensive equipment in here- steal me!" since you can't lock your baggage anymore (I could be wrong about that, I just never lock mine).
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:45 PM
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144. You can get TSA-Approved(TM) locks
They're made so TSA agents with specially made skeleton keys can open them, but your average baggage mangler can't.

Of course, you're assuming that TSA agents can be trusted with the skeleton keys... And they won't sell their keys to thieves...
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:04 PM
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64. You're doing a heckuva job, Chertoff!
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 08:09 PM by katinmn
Keeping the country safe for Repukes.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:06 PM
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65. Okay, so my folks flew today--all carry-on to make it easier
:eyes: Well, it was easier when they went OUT west, but not this trip home!

And they confiscated Mom's deodorant, but not Dad's aftershave, another lady's lipstick...but those nice new signs sure look professional!

I walked around the airport waiting for the flight whistling "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?"
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:14 PM
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67. Just goes to show they have absolutely NO CLUE what they are doing
other than keep people on edge, inconvenienced and in a state of fear through a bogus terror scare. Will Americans finally focus their anger in the right direction??

(Note: After shave is flammable. Why didn't they take that?)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:51 AM
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125. Aftershave has alcohol in it, ie it can be put on fire
Much harder to do with lipstick and deordorant...
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:39 AM
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130. Exactly--so why did they confiscate the lipstick and the roll-on?
Re-reading my original I realized it wasn't clear that the lipstick was taken from the woman while the aftershave was allowed....insanity. And wasn't it just the other week we saw that guns were easily smuggled thru by investigators?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:44 AM
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131. The whole thing is subjective, irrational, and stupid... imo
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IndyBob Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:19 PM
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68. I travel quite a bit for work
My last trip back from Minneapolis to Indy took over 22 hours, delays due to weather. The leg back from Chicago was on Greyhound, United said it would be 3 or mare days before they could guarantee a flight back.

I ned to return on the 25th of this month, I think I will rent a car and drive. It will take 10-12 hours, but I imagine the delays at the airports will be getting pretty bad.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:20 PM
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69. You should look into Amtrak. Cheap and relaxing, too.
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IndyBob Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:40 PM
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79. Amtrak is cool
But I've looked into it - there is only one train a day, and there is a transfer in Chicago. All my time is billed at $115/hr to clients, and my projects have fixed budgets. If a round trip takes an extra 10 hours, my budget loses $1150, plus the cost of the fare. Although, if I could work on the train, the time would not be wasted. What America needs is a high speed train service that links the major cities.

My significant other and I took Amtrak from Milwaukee to Seattle 8 years back - the Empire Builder. We got a deal through one of the airlines, price wasn't too bad. Train out - plane back. We had a sleeper - the ability to get privacy, and a daily shower, was priceless. Train travel is wonderful, unlike a plane, the vacation starts the moment you climb aboard. This was my favorite vacation in my 42 years.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:14 AM
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115. Train out-plane back is an excellent trip!
I took my 14 year old daughter out to Seattle this spring on the Empire Builder and we flew back to Minneapolis. As you know, when you get a sleeper you also get meals. Great meals! My daughter's ticket was half price and I think with her 3-4 meals it was a true bargain.

There are so many good things about train travel. It's sad that the Repubs are out to kill Amtrak and keep it operating on a shoestring.

With all the problems we have with energy and highway upkeep it doesn't make sense that a big country like the US doesn't have a highly functioning multi-purpose train system.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:25 PM
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70. Well the makers of toothpaste, shampoo, and
conditioner are going to make out like bandits because plenty of frequent fliers never check a bag. Everything goes in the carry on. Millions of travellers with no toiletries will be heading for the drug store upon landing. Sweet.
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IndyBob Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:35 PM
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92. How true
My typical trip start with going to work in the morning, working until 1:00pm or so (as late as 5:00, if time allows), and then traveling. Budgets typically do not cover travel time :(.

If I am lucky, I will get to the next day's destination before 10:00pm, although midnight or later is not uncommon. Whatever, the nest morning the alarm clock will ring at 6:30 am or so. Checking baggage means an hour or so less sleep for the night. There's no time, go, go, go.

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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:30 AM
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120. You're assuming there will still be carry-ons
Travelers who want to take their own shampoos, etc., may put them in their luggage. They just can't bring anything liquid on the plane with them. In fact, from what I'm seeing, they can't bring hardly ANYTHING on the plane with them.

No carry-on luggage
No drinks
No food
No make-up (which can be made with glycerin which can be extracted to make bombs???)
No lotions, soaps, shampoos
No electronic devices, including laptops, MP3 players, cell phones.
No reading material (????)

Only cash, tickets, ID papers, etc., that would normally fit ina wallet and/or picket, meaning no purses, folks. All items must be carried in a clear plastic bag.

All it's going to take is a few SNAFUs to make air travel a total and ongoing nightmare. Use your imagination ----

1. A flight from JFK to LAX with a stop at O'Hare arrives late, too late for some passengers to catch a connecting flight to Minneapolis. Their cell phones are in their checked luggage. There are insufficient public phones for passengers to make arrangements. You think there aren't going to be some angry and frustrated folks, including hte airport and airline personnel who have to deal with them?

2. One piece of lost luggage that monumentally ruins a business trip or a family vacation. Many people -- as we all know -- keep the essentials in that carry-on, so that if another piece of luggage is lost, at least the trip isn't a disaster while the missing suitcase is located. (This happened to me on a trip to Hawaii several years ago. Thank goodness for those carry-ons!)

3. Claims for stolen items.

4. Complaints from the business community when their workers (other than the corporate-jet-flying CEOs) can't get any work done during that four-hour flight to and from wherever. And then the higher billing for time when consultants lose that time, too. "Yes, sir, I billed you for twenty hours, even though I only spent twelve hours on the job. The other eight was travel time during which I couldn't do a damn thing. If I had had those eight hours to do some work, I would only have needed to bill you for four hours. Oh, well, we're safer, aren't we? Pay up." And when government laptops start disappearing from checked baggage. . . . . . . . . . . . .

5. The effects of nervous, frightened, uncomfortable passengers on the flight crew and on other passengers. A crying baby who can't be consoled with Cheerios or a toy. A bored woman who talks incessantly to her seatmates because she has no book to read. A disgruntled teen-ager who has to stare at a stupid movie rather than relax with her iPod.

When -- indeed, if --- people stop flying because of this bullshit, the airlines may put some pressure. Until they doo, nothing is likely to happen.

I'm heading to Chicago in a few weeks for a class reunion and to visit my family. If I hadn't already bought the tickets, I'd have driven instead, and yeah, it's a 24-hour drive. I won't fly again until this absurd nonsense stops. I can't take drops for my eyes, but only 10% of the checked baggage is screened? ARE THEY CRAZY??????????????

Never mind, don't answer that. Of course they're crazy.



I can't afford to have things stolen out of my checked luggage. That's why I've always taken valuables -- mostly jewelery -- with me. I've had luggage lost -- that's why I carry essentials in my carry-on. So I'll be flying blind this trip -- I can't wear glasses and can't risk wearing contacts with no solution, so if you see a funky old lady wandering around O'Hare, squinting to read the signs, it might be me looking for the baggage claim so I can unpack my eyes. Help her out, okay?


Tansy Gold, writing this before she's put her eyes in for the day and not sure about any typos. . . . . . .
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:26 AM
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129. So far on US domestic flights carry-ons are
still allowed, but apparently liquids and gels aren't.

My husband travels a lot and never checks a bag. He doesn't trust the airlines to return it to him in one piece with contents intact. As long as he's allowed to carry on, he will. And if he has to travel toothpasteless, he'll stop at a drugstore on landing and buy some. As will many others.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:30 PM
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73. Must. Keep. Everyone. Afraid.
:scared:
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 10:34 PM
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78. Welcome to Amerika. Thanks, Georgie Boy.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:12 PM
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82. This Won't Last
The people that sell liquor and perfume in duty-free stores inside of the security perimeters of airports will complain that they're losing business. Then, magically, the terra alert will lessen.

I wonder, though... when I was flying to and from London, they were peddling duty-free booze and perfume on the plane. (This was United.) I guess that'll be stopped, too?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:02 AM
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105. The bookstores and newsstands in airports will be losing a mint
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:23 AM
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119. I've been reading in various threads that you can't bring
reading material on planes, now. Is that true? Can you point me to the thread that talks about that?

I will go furkin banana nutz without a book on a plane. It's the ONLY time I get to read something not related to work.

Not that I fly all that much, but still.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:53 AM
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126. I've heard different things
Supposedly flights within the US don't ban reading materials, although international flights do. BUT -- my Dad flew from Charlotte to Logan yesterday on US Air, and they took his new hardback and his bagel at the gate. He is tres pissed.

BO WAY I could get through a flight without reading material... plus gate waits.
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confrontationclaws Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:32 PM
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90. I flew today...
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 11:33 PM by confrontationclaws
with my family. We got some McD's on the concourse to carry on the plane...

All our carry-on stuff was searched, including the Macdonalds bag...ketchup packets (Heinz) and salad dressing packet were confiscated, although we were told if my wife wanted to step out of line and put the salad dressing on the salad she would be allowed to bring the dressing into the cabin that way. We weren't told whether or not applying the ketchup to the fries and McNuggets would be allowed, though. Seriously. God I feel safe.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #90
97. So this is what it's come to...
First the airlines pretty much stop serving food, forcing people into the Mickey D's on the concourse. So the hungry traveller purchases a salad, mcnuggets and fries and then can't take the little sealed packets of dressing and ketchup on the plane because they are going to cause an explosion? The only explosion caused by McDonald's food is created in the digestive track of the eater. This is what I'd expect to see in The Onion or in a Scary Movie bit. Whoever came up with these new directives has completely lost it and is in serious need of help. How long before the public says, "Enough's enough" and refuses to fly. Bringing the system to its knees is the only way these idiots will wake up.

I'm all for "smart" security, but apparently the US isn't capable of it.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:03 AM
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106. My Dad flew yesterday, and they took his bagel and his book
He was ticked -- he had just paid $20 for the book, and didn't have time to return it.
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Ragin_mad Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #106
111. Books have not been banned
Obviously he faced someone that didn't know the new restrictions and made them up as they went along. Books, Laptops, PDA's etc... Have not been banned from domestic commercial flights.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:26 AM
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117. A US Air gate attendant took it and the bagel from him
He flies for business once or twice a week, so he is having a bit of a fit -- he usually never checks luggage.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:38 AM
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113. If they try to take my book....................
they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands :) I do NOT fly without a book to read. Once again, the terrorists have won. They don't have to do a damned thing and it throws our country in a tizzy. If we had real security than this type of window dressing to make us feel safe wouldn't be necessary.

P.S. What if it's a library book?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:25 AM
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116. Good question about the library book
I guess you'd have to be paying for a new one.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:35 AM
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122. Make sure you don't take any library books???
JEus h effing keerist, this is getting more and more absurd.

And I am getting more and more angry.


ALL THIS NONSENSE BUT THE CHECKED BAGGAGE STILL ISN'T 100% SCREENED


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #90
138. Did you buy the food after you had already gone through security once?
NT
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confrontationclaws Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #138
153. Food was bought AFTER going through security. NT
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Star Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:05 AM
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94. Here's the thing....
If US intelligence knew about this plot BEFORE today, why didn't they put restrictions on liquids BEFORE today?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have restricted liquids a few days ago before the plotters were apprehended? Why did they wait until it was already a done deal?
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LordLovesAWorkingMan Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:16 AM
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98. Can I bring the snot still in my nose? nt
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #98
100. How about the contents of one's bladder?
Now that's definitely a violation - no liquids, right?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:22 AM
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110. If you're about to die for your cause, that's a pretty good idea.
> How about the contents of one's bladder?

If you're about to die for your cause, that's a pretty good idea.
especially if your hijacking tool of choice isn't too caustic or
poisonous while liquid; perhaps one component of several to be
mixed on the plane?

Tesha

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:17 AM
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99. What for?
To scare the public?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:37 AM
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101. i'm going to my doctor and getting a prescription for eye drops, water, &
everything else i might need on the plane. this is completely and utterly ridiculous.

i'm getting a f***ing prescription for toothpaste and shampoo!
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #101
102. I understand no liquids on a plane and support such a ban
if you don't just take a second to think about it and get back to me and I will explain.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #102
139. Do you also want liquids banned from the subway? NT
NT
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:17 AM
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109. "The Air Port Rock" will be the next big Broadway musical
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:30 AM
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112. 70%

Humans are about 70% water

Women a little less, men a bit more.

The timing of all this, after months of observation, suggests a political, not a safety, motive.

Especially given that binary liquid explosives were widely discussed TWELVE years ago.

We are traveling out of the country today. Not looking forward to the 'security' efforts.

The book ban: Hardest of all to endure or understand. Unless :tinfoilhat: that is actually the point.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:53 AM
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114. Methane gas burns, too.
I suggest a full gastro-intestinal evaluation to see if passengers have had more then three (3) bean burritos the night before. Can't be too careful, y'know... :eyes:
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speedingbullet Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 09:59 AM
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118. Icky Thought
Hydration on airlines is very important. I read somewhere that 90% of the humidity on an airplane is from other passengers breath and sweat. Urban legend maybe? The "silver" lining is that the airlines can now sell passengers drinks and eye-drops at inflated prices. Yea, capitalism.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #118
127. You can die if you fly without proper hydration --
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:32 AM
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121. Well, goodbye to airline travel!
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 10:46 AM by Coventina
If I can't bring on items that make the experience barely bearable in the first place.......

They can KMA. I'll drive or take Amtrak. Something tells me I won't be alone in this.

Maybe this will save Amtrak from oblivion.....


On edit: Oops! I don't know how to use my web acronyms.
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:43 AM
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123. I agree. The ban is absurd.
Although I thought 9/11 would save Amtrak. It did for about two weeks.

I think this ban is absurd. It is a victory for the terrorists. I believe the plot was serious and real. But I think an announcement of the arrests coupled with a call for vigilance and calm would've been sufficient. Let the millions of travelers go on with their lives.

Would continue allowing liquids on board increase my risk of being blown up? Perhaps a minuscule bit. But this makes flying, which is already close to intolerable, even less attractive.

My chances of being killed by a drunk driver are a lot higher than being blown out of the sky by a terrorist water bomb. There is no cry to ban all liquor. That would save a lot more lives than this fiasco will.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #123
132. Remember Bush saying that "We will not loose our freedoms"
because of the terrorists??

yea, Right!

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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:07 AM
Response to Reply #132
154. Bush is pretty dumb,
but he probably said "lose"
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 04:52 PM
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133. Why don't they just tag all carry- ons with your seat number and
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 04:53 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
let a crew member put them randomly in the overheads and then LOCK the overheads? I am saying that you are still allowed to have make-up, saline solution, perfume, etc.

Wouldn't that solve the problem of people mixing lethal little cocktails in flight. The flight crew can sell sealed one dosage eye drops along with soft drinks during the flight.

When the plane is down and the passengers off the plane, the crew wheels out the carry-ons to the waiting area.

More work for the crew, some time lost for the passenger, but probably not a whole lot.

THis whole thing is still idiotic.Someone determined to kill you will always find a way. The long term solution is to make people not want to kill you.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 05:17 PM
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134. If they don't relax the idiotic rules I like your idea
Would also solve the problem of the idiot with the fat-ass bags stealing your overhead space.

I'd say they ought to allow you remove an item and use it in front of them such as contact lens solution if needed. Or perhaps on the planes they could have a little stock of travel size toiletries they could sell. At the least they ought to allow you to bring factory-sealed toiletries on board or make it requirement to buy them at gateside stores.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #133
140. Carry on usually has stuff people want to use during the flight. NT
NT
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #140
142. yes, like eye drops, lipstick, and water bottles and make-up, etc.
that we are not allowed to have anymore. My whole point is to allow people to keep those things to take onto their destination.

This only makes a difference to people who travel ONLY with carry-on luggage, like I do and about half the people I know. We decided it's much more pleasant to travel lighter, skip the long check-in lines and go directly to the gate, forget about lost luggage worries and get out of the airport at your destination a heck of a lot faster.

If you are someone who has ALWAYS checked luggage, this probably isn't a big deal.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:27 PM
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143. Why is lipstick included?
I saw women tossing lipstick and even solid deodorant. I understand lip gloss; but lipSTICK is not a liquid or a gel. Same thing with solid deodorant...?

Parsing toiletries is making me dizzy. I flew 2 weeks ago and already I miss being able to use saline nasal spray and Carmex in future flights -- long flights are so drying. Think I might get my ENT to write a rx for the saline spray.

/planned to go to the UK soon to vist hubby's kin, but have opted against it for the time being

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 10:25 PM
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146. because they'll arrest if you don't comply
there is no sane or decent reason why lipstick is included, yahoo news reported that chapstick was taken from a man recovering from skin cancer of the lip

they are just being cruel

please please please phone/fax your representatives about this unfair shite
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 11:04 PM
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149. Drain the ink from your ball point pens before boarding
Just to be on the safe side. This safety tip is brought to you by pRetzeldents office of WMD. :sarcasm:

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