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Nambe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 03:13 PM
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Dems to Launch Ad Campaign on Bush, Iraq
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Democrats said Sunday they will launch a new television ad in Wisconsin accusing President Bush of misleading Americans on the threat from Iraq.

Republicans warned broadcasters not to air the ad, scheduled to start Monday, calling it "deliberately false and misleading."

The Democratic National Committee has been raising money through an e-mail campaign that started July 10 to help pay for an ad that sharply questions President Bush's veracity on Iraq's weapons.

The ad says: "In his State of the Union address, George W. Bush told us of an imminent threat. ... America took him at his word."

The video shows Bush saying, "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

The ad continues: "But now we find out it wasn't true.

"A year earlier, that claim was proven false. The CIA knew it. The State Department knew it. The White House knew it.

"But he told us anyway." ---

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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 03:15 PM
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1. Awesome.
Hope this campaign doesn't get squelched before it gets off the ground.
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Chicklet Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 03:16 PM
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2. "Republicans warned broadcasters not to air the ad"
On threat of what, mofos?

:spank:
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 03:22 PM
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3. Calling it "deliberately false and misleading".
Yeah. Uh huh. KInd of like the SOTU, right guys? These assholes are so blatant about accusing others of what they are doing themselves that it should be a national joke.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:18 PM
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6. their defense of Bush looks very bad
A little too legalistic for Bush's "plain-spoken cowboy" persona, I'd say:

<snip>

Some Republicans have argued Bush's statement was technically accurate because it attributed the findings about uranium to the British.

"You can say whatever you want in a fund-raiser," Republican spokesman Jim Dyke said, "but it steps over the line when you knowingly mislead people in your advertising."

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Mokito Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:33 PM
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9. So now the SOTU is a fund-raiser !?
"You can say whatever you want in a fund-raiser," Republican spokesman Jim Dyke said, "but it steps over the line when you knowingly mislead people in your advertising."




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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:37 PM
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10. EVERYTHING is a fundraiser for Bush
Good catch, that was a total Freudian slip on the part of that repug.

Bush is the guy that used Sept. 11 to raise money, for chrissakes!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:41 PM
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11. "but it steps over the line when you knowingly mislead people in your
advertising".

Just like bunkerboys entire SOTU, and every word out of this bunch of criminals since they seazed power?
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:12 PM
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4. It's a about time
They shouldn't have voted for the damn war in the first place.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:17 PM
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5. Why Wisconsin? why not So Cal?
we are having an election real soon to recall a Dem Gov, It would be useful to link the Pukes here to *, and, to try to get the Dems out to vote in a special election. If we lose there will be no more taking Cal for granted.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:28 PM
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20. Probably trying it out
They are probably going to gauge responses for it before taking it nationally.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:59 PM
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23. You can find the ad at the DNC site
www.democrats.org Go there and see what you think of it. I personally don't feel it hits hard wnough, but I already know he is a lier. The averaage citizen would dismiss a harder hitting ad because they would find it unthinkable for a president to do such a thing.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:20 PM
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7. Couldn't you fools have done this in October?
Better late than never.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:26 PM
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8. Ya Know, I Was Wondering The Other Day...
if the footage of Monkey Pox's landing on the aircraft carrier was public domain stuff. And if so, would it be smart for the Dems to pre-emptively use it against Bush. I don't know if the repukes are still gonna use it (I wouldn't put it past them), but couldn't there be a clever way for us to take that particular wind out of their sails???

Something along the lines of 'Mission Accomplished' as background footage with headlines of the continuing 'guerilla' war death toll in the foreground.

:shrug:
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paper chase guy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:37 PM
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21. I'm sure it is
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 07:37 PM by paper chase guy
In addition to the media, It was probably filmed by some state cameraman or something for release or for archives or something.

And I saw a political cartoon to this effect on here, where a couple people were watching the landing footage on TV, with *'s hair oh so bravely blowing in the wind, and the words "Paid For by the Democratic National Committee" at the bottom of the screen :evilgrin:
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 07:39 PM
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22. Democrats should use a picture of the carrier costume party.
A goofy picture of Bush in the flightsuit surrounded or followed by pictures of flag draped coffins. Caption: Since President Bush held his costume party to declare "Mission Accomplished" X soldiers have died in Iraq.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:43 PM
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12. Link not working. n/t
.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:43 PM
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13. broken link (n/t)
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:52 PM
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14. working link here
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bluedem Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:54 PM
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15. I think this is the part the GOP is upset about -
<<The video shows Bush saying, "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.">>

The ad leaves out the first part - "The British gov't has learned . . ." (or however he said it).

I know that we ALL know the point of his quote - to make everyone believe Saddam had nukes. But personally, I'd rather they play the entire quote or choose from 100s of other soundbite lies we've heard from Bush. As long as the dems have the upper hand in this matter, I'd hate to see the gist of the message lost because the GOP wants to squabble over more "little words".


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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:05 PM
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16. perfectly valid, I think, to leave that "british" part out
the American people, as they like to say, shouldn't have to have a lawyer with them when they're trying to figure out what their president is telling them.

Bush was not talking about the British when he said that, regardless of what he technically said. He was telling us that Hussein was on the verge of being able to nuke us, and that was why we were going to war.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:28 PM
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18. Yep...otherwise it's just "heresay"....and we don't go to war
on somebody else's rumors. We do our homework before we commit 250,000 American's SOLDIER'S LIVES and BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of American taxpayer dollars, and endanger THOUSANDS of innocent Iraqi citizens....completely overturning and trashing people's lives across the board.

We have NO right to go to war on "he said, she said". If the evidence doesn't hold, it doesn't hold. Take your war toys and stuff 'em, Bush.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:28 PM
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17. I have to agree.
That's only 10 of the infamous 16 words. It would look bad not to quote the whole thing. I think the whole thing ("The British government has learned ...") is much worse. It sounds like what it is: a weaselly sales job by a slimey salesman.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 05:49 AM
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28. Read My sig line!
:evilgrin: This is what Bush* said in his Global address!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:48 AM
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32. "The French government has learned ..."
This was, of course, missing from the SOTU. How about what "the German government has learned..."? Several "governments have learned" that the pro-preemptive-war coilition was "cooking the books" about Iraq.

It's called "proof-texting" (go ahead and Google it) or "selective evidence-collecting" -- an insidious kind of deceit.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 05:34 PM
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19. kick!
:dem:
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 08:16 PM
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24. The line that gets me
is that Repubs "warned" broadcasters not to run the ad. And if they do?... FUCK THE REPUBS, RUN IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!! I will be in Green Bay the week of August 10 for my beloved Packers and to visit friends, hope to see the ad on television. Have seen it on Democrats.org. I believe that the righties arrogance will undo them on this, and other matters.
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Papillon Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 09:23 PM
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25. And the clip of W is from Fox News...
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:15 PM
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26. Okay, I'll call that DNC fundraiser back and pony up.
If Terry's gonna finally get off the dime and start mobilizing against this fascist regime, I'll march with him.

Last week I refused to make a contribution to the DNC until the Dem leadership got off their knees and stopped being a doormat for shrubco. Looks like they're starting to get the message.

This is a plus. Let's see how much ooomph they've got.
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 04:37 AM
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27. Link here
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 05:54 AM
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29. oh the irony
Republicans warned broadcasters not to air the ad, scheduled to start Monday, calling it "deliberately false and misleading."

You mean like the SOTU?
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:14 AM
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30. Well, they should know about
deliberately false and misleading
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:38 AM
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31. I love the supporting evidence the DNC quotes
Evidence that Bush Misled the Nation
In February 2002, Ambassador Joseph Wilson learned that the Niger connection was false, and so informed the CIA and state department. "In early March, I arrived in Washington and promptly provided a detailed briefing to the C.I.A. I later shared my conclusions with the State Department African Affairs Bureau," Wilson wrote of his investigation into the purported Nigerian evidence.

In March 2002, the CIA sent a cable to the White House to report the Niger connection was false. The cable, classified "secret," was sent "to the White House Situation Room in March 2002 reporting on a visit to the African country of Niger by a retired diplomat on a special mission for the CIA... His account said Iraq had sought closer economic ties with Niger but had not discussed a uranium sale."

In October, 2002 the CIA considered the Niger information "so suspect the CIA also told the White House to drop a reference from a Bush speech on October 7th."

The CIA asked the State Department to exclude Niger from its briefings. A month before Bush's State Of The Union Address, the CIA told the State Department to drop a reference to the uranium allegations from a white paper on alleged Iraqi weapons programs. In a later presentation on the white paper, John Negroponte, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, cut the Niger reference."

When Bush gave his State of the Union address, the State Department had independently concluded the documents were false. The State Department's Intelligence Wing, "the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, independently came to the exact same conclusion" as the CIA, that the Niger documents were false, Greg Thielmann, an intelligence official there, said "When I saw it really blew me away...Not that stupid piece of garbage. My thought was, how did that get into the speech?"

Early drafts of Bush's State Of The Union used even stronger language linking Niger To Iraq. "Earlier versions of the president's speech, this official says, did not cite British sources for the uranium claim. 'They were more definitive,' the official says, 'and we objected.' At that point, the official says, White House officials suggested, quote, 'Why don't we say the British say this?'"
http://www.democrats.org/truth/index.html?s=front
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