Rove harsh on critics of Iraq war

[soup]

The presidential adviser speaks at a Republican dinner in Broward, which also serves as a who's who of GOP candidates for statewide offices.

By STEVE BOUSQUET, Times Staff Writer
Published June 3, 2006

FORT LAUDERDALE - Presidential adviser Karl Rove told an enthusiastic crowd of Broward County Republicans on Friday night that the worst mistake the U.S. could make is to "cut and run" in Iraq.

Without mentioning growing opposition to the war or the record-low popularity in polls of his boss, President Bush, Rove gave a resounding defense of the decision to go to war three years ago, and he blasted Democrats who now consider the war a mistake.

Rove saved his harshest criticism for the man Bush defeated in 2004: Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who voted for the war in Iraq but now supports a deadline for withdrawing American troops in Iraq.

"His instinct is to cut and run," Rove said of Kerry. "If America cuts and runs in Iraq, who's going to tell the families that their loss was in vain?" >snip<
http://sptimes.com/2006/06/03/State/Rove_harsh_on_critics.shtml

[ixion]

1. sit and spin, turd blossom

you are a stain on the fabric of society. :grr:

[Clark2008]

2. You're not going to believe this, but...

:rofl:

[ixion]

3. lol...brilliant!

:rofl:

[soup]

10. That is great!

Sitting here, sipping coffee, grumbling and muttering "Who cares what you think, Rovemeister?", and along you come with a marvelous blood pressure pill - laughter.

:rofl:

Thank you for that.

[cantstandbush]

39. Who is ever going to tell the families that their losses were in vain

even now? No one. But the truth is their losses were worse than in vain. They died for a cause that has made the world less safe, less humane, and desstroyed our nation.

Let the flames begin! I am sick of this shit.

[Mad_Dem_X]

61. Sad, but true

No flames here. I totally agree. They died for a cause, alright, but the wrong kind of cause. One that was dreamt up by their evil Commander In Chief.

[Canuckistanian]

63. Flames? You deserve no flames

That was the unvarnished, ugly truth.

[saigon68]

77. They died for Exxon Oil and Halliburton profit

God rest their souls.

They died so a mentally challenged Chimpanzee could play War with his toys in a sandbox.

[yellerpup]

54. lol...by golly he does have a toddler's body n/t

[rasputin1952]

4. Where are HIS family members? I don't know of any in Iraq...

and where wae HE during VN?

I hate to break this reality to Rove, but the Iraqi's, as well as the vast majority of Muslims worldwide, look at the US as a nation bent on Old Imperialism. Most people know this was about settling scores for Bush I, and control of vast supplies of oil.

Rove should be in an asylum...even Bush I had the decency to fire him because he was far too sleazy.

[saigon68]

36. Rove was a Draft Dodger--He is a PIG

[rasputin1952]

40. I know he dodged the draft, and then blamed Clinton for doing the

same thing. I'm hoping there is a special level in hell for hypocrites, one that is a bit more uncomfortable.

What truly aggravates me about the Chickenhawks, is that they call for war and military might, but never volunteered for anything that might hint of personal sacrifice. There is soem RW kid that Randi Rhodes balsted oin C-SPAN a week or so ago. The little jerk is about 21-22, and has his own talk show in DC I believe. Always calling for war and supporter of armed conflict. Randi asked him why he hadn't joined up, and the little coward's head was about to explode. Randi said, "I was in the AF for 4 years, why don't you sign up?"

I wanted to drag him to The Wall, and point out a few names to him...:mad:

Same thing around my neck of the woods...some kid says the War in Iraq is "good", I offer to take him to the recruiter of his choice...never gonna happen...all talk and hot fetid air...:puke:

[saigon68]

65. They are cowards all

Their alligator mouths overload their polliwog asses.

LOL

[Skittles]

72. there's no call for trashing pigs, saigon

those animals are noble compared to that utter piece of SHIT Rove

[CBHagman]

73. Ah, you mustn't insult pigs in that fashion.

Our noble porcine brothers and sisters would never sink so low as to be one Karl Rove, who earns his daily bread by ruining other people's lives and clinging to the skirts of those who finance his cruel, vindictive activities.

Time wounds all heels, DU friends. Time wounds all heels.

[saigon68]

78. Sorry, gulp

yes even our porcine cousins have higher morals than the Rove creature

[FloridaPat]

5. Or the public that $500 billion was just a gift to the defense contractors

for nothing. Or all those Iraqi citizens who are still alive that their dead died for nothing or their country is is destroyed and covered with depleted uranium for nothing.

Yes, who would have the guts to say that.

[BeatleBoot]

6. So, he's telling 7 in 10 Americans to go shove it.

Mr. Fitzgerald needs to save this country from this nit wit.

[WhiteTara]

52. well yeah, cause "who cares

what you think" GWB 7/4/2001

[Demeter]

68. I'm Troubled Every Time Rove's Head Pops Up

I thought a sealed indictment might keep Rove out of the public eye--so now I wonder if there is an indictment, or if Rove has a ego as big as all outdoors....

Somebody gotta Whack-a-Mole?

[camby]

7. We already know that Rove considers most people

stupid. That's why he keeps repeating catch-phrases like "cut and run", thinking that most people are conditioned like Pavlov's dog to see red when they hear those words. Unfortunately, a lot of those still clinging to the Republican party line REALLY ARE STUPID.

[soup]

23. 'bumper sticker' talk

Snappy, catchy, easy to remember and repeat - and, just as you said - designed to rile.

[wordpix2]

48. Dem graphic: pic of BushRoveCheneyRummy with "draft dodgers"

across their chests and "Chickenhawks cut and run" caption.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. IMO, Rove has lost one of his most valuable assets: the ability to get

even true believers to find him credible.

That means he can only rely on manipulation and dirty tricks to meet his goals.

P.S. Did Katherine Harris attend the Affair?

[Olney Blue]

11. No, she did not. And the article says Rove made it clear that

other repugs should challenge her in the primary.

[soup]

16. Poor thing...

Nobody loves the 'darling of the GOP' anymore.

[soup]

12. Harris was a no-show.

>>In a brief interview before his speech, Rove made clear his lack of enthusiasm for Harris, who trails Democratic incumbent Bill Nelson.

"There's still a primary fight out there," Rove said, noting three little-known Republican candidates. "I would like to see Republicans work their will."<<

I would like to see Republicans work their will. ??? What the heck does that mean?

[ixion]

17. I think that's a veiled fundie reference

'old testament' sentence structure.

[soup]

21. or poetic.

Help Lord, for godly men have took their flight,
And left the earth to be the wicked's den:
Not one that standeth fast to Truth and Right,
But fears, or seeks to please, the eyes of men.
When one with other fall's to take apart,
Their meaning goeth not with their words in proof;
But fair they flatter, with a cloven heart,
By pleasing words, to work their own behoof.

But God cut off the lips, that are all set,
To trap the harmless soul, that peace hath vow'd;
And pierce the tongues, that seek to counterfeit
The confidence of truth, by lying loud:
Yet so they think to reign, and work their will,
By subtle speech, which enters every where:
And say, our tongues are ours, to help us still,
What need we any higher power to fear?

Sir Francis Bacon
http://www.shakespeare-oxford.com/baconpoe.htm

[ixion]

25. ah, very nice

good catch. :hi:

[soup]

28. confession-

No credit here - I searched the phrase. But it sure seems approriate, doesn't it?

[ixion]

32. sure does...

don't you just love the internet? :hi:

[camby]

22. as in...."The Triumph of The Will"

God that man makes me puke.

[Olney Blue]

9. Rove is a failure- his boss's approval ratings are Nixonian.

Some political advisor. Go back to whatever your fake address is, liar.

[peekaloo]

13. last two paragraphs:

Rove, who is under investigation in the leak of a CIA operative's identity, thrilled the partisan audience with behind-the-scenes anecdotes in the West Wing or on Air Force One. He recalled his sophisticated computer program to track returns on election night 2004 that contradicted exit polls showing Bush losing in Florida.

"I'll never forget. The first county I clicked was Hernando. Then Pasco. And about that time, Jeb called in," Rove recalled. "I started working my way down the east coast and he said, 'Start with Broward.' ... It was clear, we were running well ahead of where we needed to run, and Jeb said, 'We're going to win, and we're going to win big.' "

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sophisticated computer program, eh?

[soup]

18. peekaloo! You caught it!

and "contradicted exit polls showing **Bush losing Florida"

unh hunh

Weird article, hey? All over the place.

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. Why start with Broward?

'Start with Broward.' ... It was clear, we were running well ahead of where we needed to run, and Jeb said, 'We're going to win, and we're going to win big.' "


Kerry won big in Broward. Plus Broward had some funny stuff going on and for some reason couldn't report a final total on election night. The official results had to be revised twice.


11/03/04 Broward 99.60% Bush 238,397 Kerry 443,535 Total 681,932
11/10/04 Broward 100.00% Bush 243,699 Kerry 452,360 Total 696,059
11/14/04 Broward 100.00% Bush 244,674 Kerry 453,873 Total 698,547

[soup]

33. Broward County

Florida REEKED in 2004. It wasn't just Broward County - but it's as good a place as any to start.
"Start with Broward." - Thanks, Karl.

Voting Fraud in the 2004 Presidential Election

Broward County

Early Thursday, as Broward County elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down.

Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward. Why a voting system would be designed to count backward was a mystery to Broward County Mayor Ilene Lieberman. She was on the phone late Wednesday with Omaha-based Elections Systems and Software.
http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm

- In Broward County alone, President Bush appears to have received approximately 72,000 excess votes.
http://www.eriposte.com/election04/2004_results_1.htm

and the absenteee ballot mess:

But in heavily Democratic Broward County, thousands of voters never received their absentee ballots in time.

Broward elections Supervisor Brenda Snipes came under fire over the weekend for losing track of as many as 58,000 ballots that were allegedly given to the Postal Service earlier in the month.

County officials moved to get the ballots sent out in time for voters to return them by November 2nd as required by state election rules. According to the U.S. Postal Service, after mail carriers had left on Saturday, both Broward County and Palm Beach County dropped off more than 8,000 absentee ballots for mailing. Many of the ballots arrived unsealed, forcing postal employees to take the time to seal envelopes.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/03/1520249

By the time you read this, you might know the identity of the next president. Or perhaps lawyers reign and the world's fate is hanging, like so much chad, in the balance.

Either way, Broward County is screwed. It's stuck with a dysfunctional elections office that was plagued by technological problems, ill-equipped early voting stations, and, worst of all, the disappearance of thousands of absentee ballots. The question lingers: Was that mysterious disappearance -- which threw the election into disarray and cost countless votes -- the result of a terrible crime or stunning incompetence? Were the ballots lost, or were they stolen? A lot of people think they know the answer.

"Something weird is going on here," said 52-year-old Bud Warren of Coral Springs, whose wife and son never received their ballots. "It's another stolen election. That's my honest opinion."

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement doesn't think so. The FDLE conducted what it called an "investigation" of the ballots last week, and it took agents about 12 seconds to conclude that no crime had been committed. They spoke briefly with Broward Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes and then told the media, in essence, "Move along, folks; nothing to see here."
http://www.newtimesbpb.com/issues/2004-11-04/news/norman.html

[blm]

45. EXACTLY - and they KNOW Kerry really won - so they keep targeting him to

keep up the illusion they created with the media that he's a loser and a derelict.

[Gregorian]

55. One question- Why their need for a computer to track the election?

Would not the official election results speak for themself?

Something really stinks.

[ronnie624]

79. PROMIS? n/t

[daleo]

84. More likely, Sophisticated vote switching computer program. n/t

[Zorra]

14. Would someone PLEASE put this traitorous lying crook in jail

before he can do even more harm to this country than he has already done?

Fitz?

[0007]

42. ....or take him down to the river and hit him in the head with a rock.

[robbedvoter]

15. Past stolen elections - good times, good times:

"He recalled his sophisticated computer program to track returns on election night 2004 that contradicted exit polls showing Bush losing in Florida.

"I'll never forget. The first county I clicked was Hernando. Then Pasco. And about that time, Jeb called in," Rove recalled. "I started working my way down the east coast and he said, 'Start with Broward.' ... It was clear, we were running well ahead of where we needed to run, and Jeb said, 'We're going to win, and we're going to win big.' ""
I wonder, did he thank Bevie for making Florida steal a non-subject?

[truthisfreedom]

64. i think the FBI should look at that "program" he was using.

i have a feeling he was contacting his operatives in Florida to instruct them which polling stations' returns to alter.

[newscott]

19. Instinct? This from a chickenhawk?

Bullshit Karl. Go to hell.

[Eugene]

20. No Karl, the worst mistake is to stay the course

and refuse to acknowledge that Iraq is collapsing around our troops.
Any realistic goal for stabilizing Iraq through occupation is
slipping out of reach. Keeping our people there just turns them
into targets.

Of course, the biggest mistake of all was invading Iraq in the first place.

[camby]

24. The longer we stay, the more likely it is that our eventual

departure will be very much like the fall of Saigon.

[soup]

27. We're neck deep in the Big Muddy

And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/texts/bigmuddy.html

[Vinca]

26. My favorite administration line for staying in Iraq is

to honor the memory of those who have fallen. Sure . . . why not allow more to die needlessly? Why not let more families grieve over wooden boxes to somehow impart nobility to this fucking mess? I despise "Turd Blossom" and all the rest of them. They're not good enough to carry John Kerry's used Charmin.

[cliss]

51. What else can they say?

They have no talking points, there is no rationale for this war. All their alibis (WMD's, "spreading Democracy" like peanut butter) have melted like an ice cream on the sidewalk. There is nothing left.

Now they are going for the absolute bottom, the lowest common denominators: "Cut and Run", "Don't be a Coward", and sure enough "So they did not die in vain".

They are truly hitting the bottom layer here.

[rodeodance]

30. Rove's ranting gets real old real fast.

[teryang]

31. The war wasn't a mistake, it was a war crime

In a sense, it was a political mistake to lose the war, once started because those who start a war and lose, lose political authority, and fall from power. Thus, the reality of military defeat must be concealed from the public as long as possible at whatever cost.

[nolabels]

34. And that there is the intractable part that will fry

The GI's going on rampage on their third and forth tours in country can only get uglier.

They will need a lot more than just propaganda and a sold out press in the future days

[reprobate]

58. They never considered the possibility of losing. That's their problem.

They simply aren't capable of rational thought. Nor do they ever consider the law of unintended consequences. Shit happens, and if you don't plan for it you get covered in it. Like Bush and Rove.

[yellowcanine]

35. Tired old sad arguments from Vietnam - The killing must continue so that

those who have died already will not have done it in vain. Dammit if they have died in vain killing more in vain is not going to change that.

[saigon68]

37. So they can KILL more innocents

And the Chimp can smile

[teryang]

38. Naval War College - Defense Economics 101

"Sunk costs are no costs" Lawrence Korb

Past costs in a failed endeavor are irrelevant. The only costs to be evaluated by cost benefit analysis are future costs. The issue is not what this policy cost in the past but what will cost from now on and what are the prospective benefits. Could the resources be put to more effective use elsewhere?

Defense industry shareholders, lobbyists, cronies and their political beneficiaries see it one way. The nation sees it another way.

[lebkuchen]

41. What do we tell those families who fear for members still alive

and on their third deployments, Floating Turd?

[President Kerry]

43. I don't know why anybody pays attention to this traitor chickenshit.

His whole cabal is starting to look increasingly like the last days of the Reich. They are delusional, trying to sell a clear failure to the people. So Rove spoke with some wingers in Florida, and they were in a big circle jerk over the war, big deal. He knows he may be even less popular than Cheney, if it's possible. Game over, turd blossom.

[young_at_heart]

44. How many more wil have to die Mr. Rove?

Only idiots think invading Iraq was a good thing for America. "Leaving" a ridiculous situation isn't cutting and running....it's admitting you made a huge mistake! Unfortunately, like Vietnam, people will have to try and understand the politics.

[Tom Joad]

46. Only honorable thing to do in a illegal war... cut and run.

And to refuse illegal orders from a illegitimate "president"

Learn about the first commissioned officer to refuse orders to serve in Iraq, right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1339631

[SHRED]

47. "Cut and Run"?

SHIT!!!!!!!!!!

They "Cut and fucked-the-country-all-to-hell"

BasTURDS!!!

[modrepub]

49. You will explain Mr. Rove

It was your boss who put us in this position not Sen Kerry (or anyone else). Since your boss is a turd and isn't man enough to fess up to any real mistakes regarding this matter the job goes to you.

[Joanne98]

50. I wish Fitzgerald would hurry up and indict him...

[genieroze]

53. Blow it out your ass pig boy.

[Pachamama]

56. Poor Karl Rove...All he has ever wanted & needed in life is to be able to

suck George W. Bush's c*ck, but he has to settle with doing it metaphorically.....

Poor guy....it has to be so hard to be a closeted homosexual in love with George W. Bush...

:cry:

[Catchawave]

57. Why isn't he in jail yet?

I would love to see Sen. Kerry issue a rebuttal to that comment. Rove is using 2004 RW talking points that he thinks worked for them on the clueless and uninformed base that allows him to define "patriotism".

He.is.despictable.

[stepnw1f]

59. You Draft Dodging Cowardly Chickenhawk Hypocrite Traitor

you pathetic wiggling magot. You are in no position to criticize PATRIOTS.

[IndianaGreen]

60. Rove is more worried about the likes of Gore and Kerry than he is about...

Hillary. Consider the latest GOP salvos against Gore by the "Carbon Dioxide is good for you crowd" and the vicious attacks on Kerry by the likes of the Swiftboaters for Truth and Rove. It is clear that the GOP fears Gore and Kerry for they have the capacity to beat the GOP candidate in 2008, while someone like Hillary will merely split the anti-GOP coalition apart.

[LibertyorDeath]

62. You are you vile Lying contemptuous POS

""If America cuts and runs in Iraq, who's going to tell the families that their loss was in vain?"

[TankLV]

66. No, KKKarl. DYING FOR LIES is MUCH worse - it's a WARCRIME!

I fervently pray for the day he is given the "Moussilini" treatment along with his fellow thugs.

Agent Mike: This is not a threat, but a fervent hope and prayer.

[Solly Mack]

67. America is a war crime nation...nothing Rove says will ever change that

How's that for a harsh truth?

[TexasLawyer]

69. Bastard!

http://www.chickenhawkcards.com/

[antonialee839]

70. Pretty big talk for such a rotten little coward and traitor

who ran as far away as he could from war. What a pig.

[Skittles]

71. Skittles harsh on warmongering chickenhawk Rove

what an ASSHOLE

[wisteria]

74. Of course he would be, the war is their 2006 election platform.

Screw Rove! Kerry has it right! And, we aren't cutting and running. We have provided the Iraqi's with the means for a democracy. It is now there turn to fight for it. We have done our part and our soldiers should be proud.

[Catrina]

75. From a draft-dodging coward, the words 'cut and run' applied to

anyone else, are laughable. He shouldn't use them, they remind people that he and his chickenhawk buddies how they cut and ran while others fought and died.

He's run out of talking points. That's the old one used by Schmidt in Ohio that got the Dems on their feet for once and probably started the downward slide of this criminal organization running the country ~

I liked the suggestion in one of the above posts ~ a pic of Cheney, Bush, Rove, Delay, et al with the words 'draft-dodgers' across their chests.

[Patchuli]

76. Squawck Squawck CHICKENHAWK!

Who gives a $hit what a chicken$hit has to say. How long til Fitzy tightens the noose on this porker?

[goforit]

83. Oink oink oiwwwnk...More like squealing like a pig.

[rhett o rick]

80. Karl is more concerned about "Who's going to tell..." then why

our losses were in vain. "If America cuts and runs in Iraq, who's going to tell the families that their loss was in vain?" If we "cut and run" now, then he may have to explain. If we wait a few years, some other administration will have to. He is more concerned with the telling than the losses. Also, I think it interesting (and a slip) that he distinguishes "their loss" from his loss. He ain't losing a thing.

[BurtWorm]

81. Rove should be honest for a change and tell them himself

that they died in vain.

[MnFats]

82. Who's going to tell them? You are, you malevolent bastard.

this whole mess was your f***** spawn in the first place....you and all those other PNAC assholes.

[Rex]

85. No one needs to tell the families squat, Turdblossom.

No wonder Rove is the most hated wonk in politics, not even Bush sr. could stand him (and he's pretty evil in his own right). The families already know why their loved one died, Rove pushed Bush into a unneeded war with Iraq. So were all the losses in Vietnam in vain Rove? How about any place we have occupied and then left? What a moran thing to say! Rove should go and sit under plane wheels more often.