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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:01 PM
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(Senator Tom) Harkin calls for troop pullout in Iraq

http://www.woi-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4585200&nav=1L...

Harkin calls for troop pullout in Iraq


DES MOINES, Iowa Senator Tom Harkin has called for the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, saying it's the only solution after recent religious violence in that nation.

The Iowa Democrat says Iraq is now in a civil war. He says American withdrawal should begin immediately to--quote--"extricate ourselves from that quagmire over there."

Harkin's comments place him among the first members of Congress to publicly state that the war in Iraq has become a fight between Muslim factions.

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A White House spokesman says retreat before victory would be reckless.
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worldgonekrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:16 PM
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1. Harkin saw this coming before the war
I think him and Wellstone were the only two Senators who really understood that the U.S. would get bogged down in Iraq. I remember Harkin comparing it to Vietnam before the war even started.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:06 PM
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9. So did Feingold and Kennedy and Byrd and Boxer.
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FuzzySlippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:30 PM
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28. Dayton, too.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:06 PM
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31. Carl Levine and Stabenow also
voted against the Pre-emptive resolution.
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deb98126 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:57 PM
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36. Harkin
I withdraw my ignorant and uninformed criticism of Senator Harkin.
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BlakeB Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 06:49 PM
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2. Go Harkin!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:54 PM
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3. I always thought he would have been a great presidential candidate.
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:24 AM
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18. Yeah, I campaigned locally for that in Iowa
He's a good guy, and it seems as of very lately, he is trying to find his own voice. He sure balances out that creep Grassley.
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FuzzySlippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:31 PM
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30. He did run in '92.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 06:21 PM
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34. I thought it was 88...
an ex-girlfriend worked on his campaign then.
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FuzzySlippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:13 PM
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35. I'm pretty sure in was '92.
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 08:13 PM by FuzzySlippers
He came in first in the Iowa caucus that year.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:00 PM
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4. retreat before "victory" is reckless
are they ever going to define that?

removing WMDS - mission accomplished, as there were none
removing saddam - mission accomplished
holding first elections - mission accomplished

So how is victory defined this week? Do they mean when we win that so-called war on terror?
Or is victory when all the ethnic groups in the Middle East hold hands with each other and sing Kumbaya? Is that what we're waiting for?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:40 PM
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5. Victory = all the oil safely in Exxon, BP, and Halliburton tanks. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:54 PM
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6. Shout it from the rooftop--(maybe msm will report this??)
The criticism follows a C-B-S News poll last week that showed 65 percent of respondents disapproved of President Bush's handling of the war, his worst marks since the war started three years ago.

A White House spokesman says retreat before victory would be reckless.

Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:17 PM
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23. I doubt msm covers it. They didn't cover Kerry's Iraq withdrawal plan and
defined Murtha's plan as "cut and run" of course.

My guess is that they'll lump Harkin in with the "cut and run" Dems - they do obey their BushInc masters.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:55 PM
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7. WH says we need a Victory.
A White House spokesman says retreat before victory would be reckless.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:55 PM
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8. Now for ALL the Dems to get on board!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 09:44 PM
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10. Thank you, Senator Harkin.
Somebody has to remember our troops stuck in that shithole over there.

:patriot:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 04:37 AM
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11. Always good to see a Democrat resisting, rare as that is.
Well done, Tom.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 08:52 AM
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12. Retreat equals regime change at home because no regime....
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 08:55 AM by teryang
...survives military defeat. This is the bogey man for bushistas and their corporate cronies. I'm sure they are hopeful that the corporate police state they have installed will ensure they don't really fall from power even if nominal control of the alleged constitutional offices even changes hands.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:03 AM
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13. cue Lieberman....
I am waiting for holy joe to speak for the repukes.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 06:52 PM
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14. That's my Senator!
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 07:17 AM
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15. Maybe, Just maybe
The Democrats will not run a pro-war candidate in 08 after all.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 07:34 AM
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16. Makes me even prouder to be an Iowan
You tell 'em Tom! Now if only he could get Grassley to agree...nah, thats asking too much.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:56 PM
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24. Grassley will agree when they are selling
vanilla ice cream in Hell.
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:09 AM
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17. You broke it, you bought it.
Bush is like a very strong retarded kid who ran into a glass store in a rampage, and now the parents(American people) have to clean up. We can't pullout because our retard broke everything. We have a responsibility and many more will die if we leave the Iraqi's with their asses up in the air.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:50 AM
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19. victory, schmicktory. couldn't happen, never will. endless war. today,
tomorrow, forever. this is the "republican war." it's the big one.
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BobF Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:53 AM
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20. Whenever I see Tom Harkin...
...I keep thinking I'm seeing Harry Truman alive again.

Tough, Honest, doesn't flinch when the neocons hiss at him.

Thank you, Tom.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:05 AM
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21. I have not always like what Harkin says but he is talking now
And I like what I am hearing.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:18 AM
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22. He did it again! Go TH!!! n/t
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 01:00 PM
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25. I am proud of having helped his campaigns here.
Surely he must be thinking of us who put in so many hours for him and who also have been contacting him urgently calling for an end to the war. Perhaps he remembered also his best old-time supporter here who has suffered a stroke and is in a Dubuque hospital, someone who spoke highly of him at our January caucuses before she became so afflicted.
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Geologist in DM Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 01:04 PM
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26. "retreat before victory would be reckless"
"Mission accomplished" = victory; it's way past time to retreat. Go Tom!
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 01:05 PM
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27. A White House spokesman says retreat before victory would be reckless.
So we're going to fight to the last drop of YOUR blood.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:30 PM
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29. Support the troops. Get them out of that quicksand.

"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush (Nov. 2005)
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WhizzbangMN Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 04:02 AM
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37. Damn right!
This administration keeps trying to assert that the military can provide a way out of this. All of this while we got our best and bravest out in the sand dunes playing crossing guard with terrorist slime suicide-bombers. I can only hope we kick ass in 2006. (Praying)

:banghead:

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president4aday Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:09 PM
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32. Victory in Iraq: Who needs it !
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deb98126 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 06:17 PM
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33. Where was Senator Harkin when...
Where was his voice of opposition when the Iraq war resolution was voted on. Even Bush senior advised his son not to go to war because it would destabilize the middle-east. Now here we are, three years later, thousands of American service men and women have died, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have perished into indistinguishable piles of blood and bone, and U.S. taxpayers are being drained daily for this war.

Why didn't anybody listen to congresswoman Barbara Lee when she voiced her opposition of the war?
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2001/09/14_lee-spee...

One of the result of this was on terrorism has been flagrant violations of human rights both here and abroad. I wanted to share my own personal experience of human right's violations at the hands of the FBI in Sandy Springs, Georgia. Click on the URL.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2006/03/1806390.php

If there are any human right's attorneys out there, please help me!

DL
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 04:32 AM
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38. Didn't Harkin also vote against the PATRIOT Act?
I'm starting to gain a new found appreciation for him.

He made a mistake in voting for the resolution earlier , but I see he learned his mistake and understands now that nothing can be accomplished.
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 12:24 PM
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39. Not only did he vote against the Patriot Act ...
he also voted against Rice, against Gonzales, against Roberts, and against Alito.

You might think that all Dems did that, but alas they didn't.

Harkin may be one of the ONLY Dem Senators who has a straight record in voting against these neocons Bushco puts up.

I grew up in Missouri, and live in Iowa now. Harkin and Governor Vilsack give me reason to believe that I made the right decision.

Missouri really is the Show Me State ... showing the rest of the country its ass.

Too bad ... there are a lot of great people in Missouri. I'll always be a Cardinal fan, but never a fan of the neocons who have taken over that state.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-07-06 06:04 PM
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40. Sen. Boxer has a petition to Rumsfeld for a plan to protect our soldiers
Urge Secretary Rumsfeld to protect our troops from an Iraqi civil war!


Join 39,435 Americans and sign our petition!

In the wake of the February 22nd bombing of the Askariya shrine in Samarra, more than 400 people have been killed and more than 500 injured in Iraq. All Americans, and indeed people around the globe, are increasingly alarmed by this tragic, rapidly escalating violence.

Now our brave men and women in uniform are caught in the middle of an increasingly violent religious conflict between the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq -- and the situation is in real danger of spiraling into a full-scale civil war.


http://ga4.org/campaign/iraqicivilwar/6nin6ezo537btw
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