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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:18 AM
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CNN "just in" on air: 10 Marines killed yesterday in Falluja
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:30 AM by DeepModem Mom
IED. Eleven wounded. Say no more details because next of kin still being notified.


"Breaking news" banner now up on CNN site:

Ten U.S. Marines killed in action Thursday by homemade bomb near Falluja, according to military news release.

http://www.cnn.com/


ON EDIT: Link up now (thanks, FighttheFuture) --

CNN: 10 Marines killed near Falluja
Marines conducting 'counter-insurgency' operations in Falluja, Ramadi

Friday, December 2, 2005; Posted: 11:22 a.m. EST (16:22 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A roadside bomb Thursday killed 10 Marines while they were on "foot patrol near Falluja," the Marine Corps said Friday.

The Marines were from Regimental Combat Team 8, 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward).

Eleven Marines were also wounded in the incident, and four of them have not yet returned to duty.

The improvised explosive device was "fashioned from several large artillery shells," the Marine Corps said.

Marines have been conducting "counterinsurgency operations" in the Falluja and Ramadi areas ahead of the December 15 elections....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/02/iraq.main/index.html

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Davros Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:19 AM
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1. How many more must die?
How many more must die? How the hell are we going to win this? Screw the whole notion of "no good news is ever reported" because there isn't any. As long as a US Soldier dies for every day that we're there, nothing good enough news-wise will ever make up for the lives lost in this mess.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:20 AM
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3. After that Bush speech, and the backdrop -- just really hit me in the gut.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:21 AM by DeepModem Mom
What horror!

On edit: In the name of God, bring these people home. As Murtha said, they are TARGETS.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:22 AM
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5. A sad DU welcome to you on this thread, Davros. nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:29 PM
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60. I'd guess: a lot. :-( (NT)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:14 PM
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:28 AM
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121. With all due respect, what a stupid thing to say. A brave general...
would be one who will speak the trush out loud about our situation in Iraq. Just won't be done by breaking the law, but by finally instisting that our government live by the laws that it passes.

(Plus I don't think you could actually get a bomb in that close to the president.)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:20 AM
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2. No words...
other than to recollect the blivet's speech and shake my head in horror and disgust.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:24 AM
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9. Bush has told us that every loss of life is tragic...
...so I know that this news will really upset him. Just like Hurricane Katrina upset him as he strummed his guitar and sucked cake off his fingers.

I officially call an end to the "Is Bush worse than Nixon" debate. He is.



"U.S. President George W. Bush joins country singer Cheryl White in a Christmas song at the end of the Christmas Pageant of Peace on the Ellipse in front of the White House in Washington December 1, 2005. Bush briefly addressed the crowd before leading in the lighting of the National Christmas tree. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque"
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:27 AM
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17. Infinitely worse. This is just horrible. So while
the asshole in chief sings for a happy Christmas, there are 10 families-moms, dads, kids, sisters, brothers, etc.- who will be affected the rest of their lives. :cry:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:30 AM
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20. you just know that the POS dimson knew about the deaths of these
10 soldiers while he sung (see your picture).

I hope that someone can photoshop or tie the jpgs of that picture to the deaths in Iraq yesterday.

Another example of Nero Fiddling while Rome burns.

I weep for my fellow citizens and my lost country.

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:43 AM
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42. It really is another "Katrina Moment" in Bush's illustrious career...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #42
52. thanks for that BEB - I think we need something very similar
with this sack of shit singing on the graves of our military.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #52
107. Here you go...
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skinner_7 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. wow!
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 10:31 PM by skinner_7
What powerful images. They bring tears to my eyes but makes me madder than ever!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:39 PM
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65. President Nero sings while the troops die !
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:44 PM by tabasco
When will we rise up and destroy this evil corporate cabal in control of our Nation?!?




MAYBE PRESIDENT NERO WILL MAKE ANOTHER FUNNY VIDEO OF LOOKING FOR THE WMDs AFTER THIS LATEST DISASTER!?!
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #9
76. Orewlian "Pageant of Peace"
from Chimpy McWarmonger?

I am so sick of this asshole. He makes me want to throw things at my telescreens
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #9
78. bush doesn't give a damn about loss of life+never will
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:21 AM
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4. Wait a minute--we won Fallujah. Several times now.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:22 AM by kenny blankenship
Are you sure it was Fallujah, because I thought we had prevailed there and turned that into a model city of the New Iraq?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:32 AM
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26. Doesn't the Victory Plan say that Falluja has been won from the Enemy?
yep...

"During much of 2004, major parts of Iraq and important urban centers were no-go areas for Iraqi and Coalition forces. Fallujah, Najaf, and Samara were under enemy control. Today, these cities are under Iraqi government control, and the political process is taking hold."
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #26
111. So we can call them liars now?
liars who are also murderers.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:31 PM
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61. It *IS* the model city of "the New Iraq"
> ...because I thought we had prevailed (in Fallujah) and turned that
> into a model city of the New Iraq?

It *IS* the model city of "the New Iraq" :-(. But the model doesn't
qute work the way Bush (and his handlers) expected it to.

Tesha
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
70. I don't know how much more victory we can stand
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #70
106. Not to mention all the 'catastrophic success'. n/t
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 05:32 AM
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117. Same same VietNam.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:22 AM
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6. From Reuters: 10 U.S. MARINES KILLED IN INSURGENT BOMBING NEAR FALLUJA,
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/WBT004323.htm

10 U.S. MARINES KILLED IN INSURGENT BOMBING NEAR FALLUJA, U.S. M
02 Dec 2005 16:15:16 GMT

Source: Reuters

10 U.S. MARINES KILLED IN INSURGENT BOMBING NEAR FALLUJA, U.S. MILITARY SAYS
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:23 AM
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7. Thank you, sabra. nt
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northerdar Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:23 AM
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8. I think this is the insurgents replys to * speeches.
He says bring it on ...and they do. I am hoping my step son-in-law will not be returing to Iraq in 2006. * needs to send his Jenna and Barbie. They should go directly to the front line in Iraqafter their AIT. Then the war will end.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:31 AM
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22. I would think that the WH knew about this as bush made his speech.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #22
30. Yeah the first thing that struck me was the 24hr. delay
apparently 24hrs. at least.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:46 AM
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45. Surely they didn't wait until after the tree lighting. I wonder. nt
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:24 AM
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10. How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Iraq
How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a lie? :(
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:33 AM
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28. That's simple: first don't tell him he's going to stay in Iraq til he dies
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:57 AM by kenny blankenship
Don't say anything about extending his tour of duty 2 and 3 times. Far as he's concerned he's going on a brief errand--don't let him know different. And second, preface everything with a nice juicy come-on like this: hey kid how'd you like to earn lots of college money? You don't have to do nothing, just stand around with a rifle on your shoulder for a while, talking to girls in the street, Not bad huh! And maybe you drive a truck sometimes--not a truck, a Humvee! You'd like to drive a Humvee wouldn't you? Girls love Humvees. You could use a bunch of money for college am I right? Where you going to get it? Right here is where, just sign your name on that line...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #10
38. POS doesn't ask and he doesn't care what we think. As long as
he's the 'commander in chief' and as long as he is the 'pResident' .....:grr: :mad:
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:25 AM
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11. Link here....
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #11
14. "four of them have not yet returned to duty."
could be more :-(
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
31. U.S. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch is a propagandist and liar
from your link:

Coalition spokesman U.S. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch strongly disputed reports of widespread insurgent attacks in Ramadi on Thursday. He said that one attack, involving a rocket-propelled grenade, occurred Thursday and that it caused no damage or casualties. (Watch report on propaganda war -- 2:21)
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RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:25 AM
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12. But.. we built 2 schools... we're winning..
why don't you report the good news?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:28 AM
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18. And the economy is doing a BANG UP JOB!!!
Five percent employment, thanks to those lucky folks who got part time jobs over the Xmas holidays!!!!

Jeez, no wonder he cut his little presser short--someone gave him the word that the media got this news, so he skeedaddled before he could be asked about it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:08 PM
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And don't forget the soccer balls given to those school kids!
Too bad they don't have a school. Good timing for a big bombing, right after Mr.bush gives a bomb of a speech. RIP, damn.
peace
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:25 AM
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13. ONE bomb?
Heaven help us :cry:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:54 AM
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47. I swear, I think these bombs are made from that unprotected ordnance
Remember how the news briefly flared up prior to the election about all the ordnance that wasn't protected in Iraq? At the time I wondered if it had been left unguarded on purpose to create more threats in Iraq and create a more "credible" war scenario. How cynical I have become.

But to the point, the insurgents are learning how to create deadlier bombs. And I think we left the means to do so as a gift right at their feet.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. I think of that each time, too.
Who can know?

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #47
82. al Qua Qua
NYT reported it Kerry had to read it from the stump to get any coverage on it and half of that coverage was about how the NYT reported on it in the last week of the campaign.

Amazing.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:26 AM
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15. somebody needs to tell the people at Fox this is the real war on Christmas
In a matter of seconds, the holiday celebrations of twenty-one families were shattered. Where's the outrage, O'Reilly?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:27 AM
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16. ARE YA READY TO PULL OUT YET GEORGIE?
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 11:29 AM by seemslikeadream
WHAT'S IT GONNA TAKE GEORGIE?



HOW MANY MORE GEORGIE, HOW MANY MORE?


Sam Stone

Sam Stone came home,
To the wife and family
After serving in the conflict overseas.
And the time that he served,
Had shattered all his nerves,
And left a little shrapnel in his knees.
But the morhpine eased the pain,
And the grass grew round his brain,
And gave him all the confidence he lacked,
With a purple heart and a monkey on his back.

There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Don't stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.

Sam Stone's welcome home
Didn't last too long.
He went to work when he'd spent his last dime
And soon he took to stealing
When he got that empty feeling
For a hundred dollar habit without overtime.
And the gold roared through his veins
Like a thousand railroad trains,
And eased his mind in the hours that he chose,
While the kids ran around wearin' other peoples' clothes...

There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Don't stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.

Sam Stone was alone
When he popped his last balloon,
Climbing walls while sitting in a chair.
Well, he played his last request,
While the room smelled just like death,
With an overdose hovering in the air.
But life had lost it's fun,
There was nothing to be done,
But trade his house that he bought on the GI bill,
For a flag-draped casket on a local hero's hill.

There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin I suppose.
Little pitchers have big ears,
Don't stop to count the years,
Sweet songs never last too long on broken radios.

John Prine.



HOW MANY MORE LIVES AND LIMBS, GEORGIE, HOW MANY MORE?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #16
39. Thanks, seemslikeadream. nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #16
119. Nice Cartoon Steve Bell
LOL
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:29 AM
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19. Pile 'em high!

Grass Bush

Pile the bodies high in Austerlitz and Waterloo Iraq
Shovel them under and let me work--
I am the grass; bush; I cover all.

And pile them high in Gettyburg Baghdad
And pile them high in Ypres and Vedum Mossoul and Al Fallaujah

Two years, ten years, and passengers ask the conductor:
What place is this?

I am the grass bush.
Let me work.

Carl Sandburg

Bring the troops home now! Not in boxes

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #19
40. Thank you, 0007. nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
68. You should post that as a separate post, 0007
Did you come up with it or get it elsewhere?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. I made it myself. Except for Carl Sandburg's poem.
I thought it would gross folks out!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #69
120. You're right. It does gross me out. That's my tax dollars at work there
I'm the one paying for that war, along with 300 million of my countrymen. It was my employees, my servants, who ordered the army to guard Iraqi oil fields instead of the weapons depot at al-Qua Qua. Unfortunately I'm having trouble getting rid of these incompentant slackers who are in my employ.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Feel free to use it as you see fit, if 'ya like it!
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jarnocan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #19
118. Support PEOPLE Support PEACE
http://www.frappr.com/peaceribbon
"Support peace and safety for all people.
Support our women and men in Iraq.
Support innocent Iraqi victims -- especially Iraqi children.
Stop this immoral war. " http://www.peaceribbon.org/
Seems like a nice group of people. I bought a bunch for my holiday giving. They also have a frap map.
http://www.frappr.com/westandwithcindysheehangoldstarmothersandothersforpeace
It is funny how I think I have gotten more responses from freepers THAN some petitions get supported. Although I know a lot of the freeps just keep attacking over and over..
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:31 AM
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21. This happened YESTERDAY!
Why are we just hearing about it today?

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imported_dem Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #21
33. Probably because they wanted to notify the families first
rather than them hearing about it on the news.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:47 AM
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46. They don't seem to have notified the families yet
"The names of those killed were withheld pending notification of their relatives, in line with usual military practice"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_marines_killed

More likely they were busy figuring out how they could release the story with the best possible spin.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #21
59. Good question, but in reality we know it tis probably worse than
what's being reported today. :shrug:

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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:31 AM
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23. 10 Marines killed yesterday in Falluja
This will NOT stop until we are out of Iraq. Where is the "urgency" with our jokster politicians to resolve this?!

10 marines = 10 Families = how many sons and daughters, husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, and friends lives are NOW and for their FUTURES turned upside down?

And Clinton gets skewed for a "blow job". WHERE ARE THE PRIORITIES WITH THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR COUNTRY?

WE THE PEOPLE LOSE!!!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:31 AM
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24. More on story
WASHINGTON - Ten Marines were killed and 11 wounded by a roadside bomb near Fallujah, Iraq, in one of the deadliest attacks on American troops in recent months, the Marine Corps announced on Friday. A brief statement said the Marines were from Regimental Combat Team 8, of the 2nd Marine Division.

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_marines_killed
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:32 AM
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25. how many more will have to die?
:sad:
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:32 AM
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27. DAMMIT
I am so sick of this. My heart is breaking. This has to stop.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #27
32. add the 4 from yesterday and this makes 14 this month.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. from the yahoo story.

....Fallujah had been a stronghold of the insurgents until U.S. forces, led by Marines, assaulted the city in November 2004. Since then the U.S. military and the Iraqi government have been working to rebuild the city and limit the return of insurgents.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:44 AM
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44. And it's only December 2nd! nt
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
53. Nope: The 4 "from yesterday" died Wednesday, and are counted for Nov
Just to be accurate.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:37 AM
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34. I don't know why this hit me so hard today. I am crying here. nt
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:35 AM
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29. another lie
obviously fulluja is still an issue

unfortunately unless the democrats get real, this reckless adventure will kill a lot more people, and I do NOT see the dems standing up on this. When you have bill clinton saying that we shouldn't set a timetable, that says everything

I just received a questionaire along with a donation request from the DNC. Individual democrats will get my contributions, but never the DNC or democrats as a whole, until they prove themselves worth it

Alito confirmation will be one of the tests I am looking at, along with the bulk of the democrats coming out and DEMANDING a timetable, and a course of action to get us of Iraq based on that timetable


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JuniorPlankton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 AM
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36. Ten marines are killed by bomb (from NYT)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. But Joe Lieberman says things are getting better so no doubt this is just
an isolated incident. Not to worry.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. OMG - While politicians are busy wrangling over "their plans"
and oneupmanship - people are dying


M U R T H A !!!!!!!!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #41
43. Yes, MURTHA -- he says our troops are little more than TARGETS, so
BRING THEM HOME.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:15 PM
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56. What I still don't get is - If the insurgents want us out, why not stop
attacking? and if there are no attacks, assume we would leave. Then once we leave, they can start acting up again. It doesn't make sense.

It is really scary to think what could happen once we leave, but you will never know until you leave whether we are making it worse or better.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:02 PM
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102. There aren't any attacks in Germany and we have had
bases there for the last 60 years. No attacks means it just doesn't cost as much for the U.S. to stay there. No way the U.S. is leaving Iraq.

Only way it will start to change is if the people punish the powers that be at the ballot box.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 02:08 PM
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84. Do you think those
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 02:08 PM by raysr
10 participated in the first assault on Falluja?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:00 PM
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48. Just ridiculous and utterly senseless
God help us all.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:06 PM
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50. "How long? How long must we sing this song? How loooong?"
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Alpharetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:07 PM
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51. fark that farking fark.
Damn I wish that betwetting fratboy smirker would ride on patrol in Iraq
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:14 PM
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54. We should invade Fallujah and flatten the whole city!
Oh, right. We already did that...

:eyes:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #54
75. Yes, and KILL more INNOCENT civilians! Oops! We did that too!
:toast:
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:15 PM
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55. Damn, my prayers go out to the families of the fallen and the injured(n/t)
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:18 PM
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57. But I thought Falluja was totally Freedom-marched
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:18 PM by Hyernel
Looks like Bush is giving us all flag-draped coffins for Chri...um...the Holidays.

Dem House and Senate in 2006

Full accountability for this debacle in 2007

Warcrimes tribunal in The Hague for Bush/Cheney/Rumsfuck/all the rest in 2008

:mad:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. On the basis of evidence like this I'd say Mr. Ware of Time Magazine
is winning his credibility contest with the White House.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:33 PM
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62. So why aren't our Democratic *cough* leaders *cough* demanding
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:33 PM by VegasWolf
a Congressional inquiry. To busy campaigning for President, I guess.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:39 PM
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64. Democrats can make all the demands they want...
They won't get anywhere as long as the Repuke majority is there to spike those inquiries.

So doing so only makes the Dems look impotent. Best to just wait it out and maneuver for the day when we have the power in Congress to take meaningful action.

For now, Dem leaders should just reinforce the fact that they represent the American people (and by extension the troops) against the corrupt, corporatist, profiteering Republicans who are trading American lives for "face saving".
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Sure they CAN. They bring pressure on Bush. Granted we don't
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 12:46 PM by VegasWolf
have a majority for an impeachment, but we will if we start taking strong stands. Polls show that most Americans think that Bush should be impeached if he lied to get us into war.

Look at Reid's Senate takeover and Murtha's stand. People are just waiting for a leader to stand up.

The more pressure on Bush the better. He simply can't handle it.

Democrats look impotent when they sit there with their fingers up their ass while BAD things happen. That's real impotency.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:36 PM
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63. I don't believe in prayer..but my best wishes and affection, as well
as terrified concern, goes out to ALL people with loved ones in the Military...whether they want to be there or not. A madman is putting their lives needlessly at risk, and I simply CANNOT IMAGINE what hell they are going through at this time. I'm so sorry..for our Troops, and our once-glorious Nation.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:46 PM
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67. Why?
I could say alot about this. I spent months in Iraq, trying to get good intel to the Bns to the ground pounders and door kickers. Maybe I even succeeded a time or two. Average 3 dead a day, for the foreseeable future... No way too stop it... 10 Marines, RCT8, 2D MarDiv, II MEF... just names on a screen to me... Demockery in Iraq... Noble Cause... War on Terra... who lied about WMDs... Cowards cut and run... Revisionist Histroy... Wounded Soldiers at Walter Reed are proud and want to "get back in the fight".... The nausea overwhelms me... These words do nothing...

I resign myself to my angst and depression...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 12:54 PM
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71. Another great day for the Bushit misAdministration
Bribed newspapers, un-necessary deaths, Ford closing more plants, and all is well with the world.

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freedomburn Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. Think about what Murtha just said. 2100 had died in Vietnam after 2 yrs.
We could be there for another 10 years and the losses could easily reach the same level as Vietnam. We lost 55,000 in Vietnam from 1965 to 1975. That's how many more - unless we hit the streets and shut the machine down...just like we had to do for the Vietnam War.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:56 PM
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87. Yes, but nowhere near the numbers we've had in Iraq for those 2 years
There was not a substantial US ground force in Vietnam until after March 1965. Yes, of course, the so-called advisors and logistics personnel were really in combat, but the landing of the marine expeditionary force in Danang in March 1965 was the first introduction of combat infantry into the country. Moreover, by early 1966 we had over 200,000 in Vietnam, rising to 550,000 at the height of 1968. That's not likely in Iraq.

It is a false comparison, in other words.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:02 PM
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73. I'd like to take Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld and drop them naked
into the streets of Falluja with no protection and watch them run and cower and scream like little babies.

God, how I hate these people and what they are doing to America.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:27 PM
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77. 2123, 2123, 2123, 2123.....
:cry:



how many more you little fuckhead???

:cry:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:38 PM
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79. We NEED TO GET OUT of there NOW!!!
We were duped!!!
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:48 PM
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80. The Victory Plan
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 01:49 PM by raysr
is working., OK Amerimorons, let's get those poll numbers up! Karma.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:49 PM
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81. President Heckuva job Brownie
My greatest fear is that there is no difference between his response to Katrina and his plan for Iraq.

He's just an empty suit for the corrupt government contractors in either case.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 01:54 PM
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83. The death toll had gone down a lot at the end of the month of November
This often seems to happen right after that. That doesn't mean that I am saying they were hiding bodies for a few days to announce a big bunch of deaths after Bush's speech was safely over (although I wouldn't put it past them). Two alternative explanations are:

- a fairly low but constant level of deaths, as is the case in Iraq, will often follow a Poisson distribution, and clustering is a key feature of such a statistical process.

- there may be a tendency to pull troops back into base after a bad run of fatalities, but after a while the war has to go on and deaths go up (or else why have troops there at all?).
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:27 PM
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85. Dying for elections to cover
Bush's political retreat so that the troops can stay there and die for more oil and political cover for the GOP. Before every election the US troops go out in force to smash any up-building of assaults on the process by the insurgents. In other words they are taking risks and lives to pump up Bush's "victory plan".

So if, eventually, the insurgents go to ground and wait for the American's to pull back into their crusader castles, they will return to sniping and attrition. Unfortunately, the only ones allowed to exercise real choice and ingenuity to alter the pattern are the Iraqi insurgents. Everyone else is hamstrung by by the CIC and his cronies. You know they are waiting for some Lebanon barracks opportunity or some other gambit for bigger scores. Until then, they stick with what works and keep improving. What it teaches the insurgents is that they can take on any force in the world. That must really encourage anyone thinking of trying to take the US place- now that they have thoroughly trained and vetted- the insurgents- but not the "Iraqi armed forces" who are poor even in applying our disastrous strategies.

Sometimes you can isolate the situation. At other times the strings all lead back to the White House. These casualties in the run-up to the elections are all because of Bush and for Bush alone.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 03:33 PM
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86. I hope this is not what you call "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"..n/t
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DarbyUSMC Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:03 PM
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88. Ten Marines reporting sir; we've done our time in Hell.
Rest in peace my Marine brothers. My tears today are for you and those who knew and loved you.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. Thank you, Darby, for your post, and your service.
These deaths have brought tears to my eyes today, and your post dedicated to these fallen soldiers just brought more.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 04:10 PM
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89. Fuck...
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 07:20 PM
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92. channeling feelings into protest
I heard about this on my way home from class. It was like a knife to the stomach. All I could think about was the families who will get this most horrible news at Christmas.

And the injured, too, left to go on through life without a limb or limbs, or other injuries that will forever alter their lives.

Tomorrow I will board the peace train to Newark where we will protest the war at the park across from Penn Station.

Tuesday, there is a National Call-In Day to ask our representatives to bring the troops home. Please make a note on your calendar to call: The phone number to reach the Congressional switchboard is (800) 614-2803. The message will be: "I'm calling to ask Congressperson ____ to bring our troops home as soon as possible."

I have been so down about this since I heard the news. When tears or anger rise up, all I can do is think of how to express my feelings through protest.




Cher

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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:34 PM
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93. Fallujah bomb kills 10 Marines, wounds 11
A roadside bomb killed 10 Marines and wounded 11 while they were on a foot patrol near Fallujah, the Marine Corps said Friday, in the deadliest attack on American troops in nearly four months

link
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. Fallujah continues to be
a very dangerous place for American Soldiers And Iraqis.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:34 PM
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95. Bush slaughters 10 more kids he was so happy weren't aborted
He likes to abort them after they are full grown :mad:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:35 PM
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98. Postmortem abortions, autopsied miscarriages and a wanton
disregard for international law. Put him in leg irons.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:34 PM
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96. Dec 2 ...
n/t



dp
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:09 AM
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112. ...
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 01:15 AM by dweller
i'll be home for ...
you can count on me
please have snow and mistletoe
and presents on the tree
... eve will find me
where the love light gleams
i'll be home for ...
if only in my dreams

...

:cry:
dp
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:35 PM
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97. Yet these son of a bitches have the audacity to herald...
the leaps and bounds that have been made in "progress" towards 'freedom' and 'democracy' in Iraq.

Meanwhile, the defense contractors throw $10,000,000 USD parties...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #93
99. Do Not pay attention to the Librul media
the real story is that Fallujah is a success story, one of MANY that never get reported. It has been handed over to Iraqis and all is great there......

......Brought to you from bushworld** propaganda mix.
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IbeaBonehead Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:35 PM
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100. my heart aches
this is such a horrible tragedy..
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #93
113. How many Iraqis
were willie petered in Falluja?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 08:47 PM
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101. CBS just did a short profile of one of the dead Marines.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 08:49 PM by pinniped
They told us he left a fiance' behind and kept showing their pictures.

Why does CBS hate Merka?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:05 PM
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103. The Bush blood bath continues.
Thanks george, Iraq is da bomb.

Why are we there again? Oh yeah, you lied.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:43 PM
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104. Did the pig know about this before yesterday's prance?
:mad:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:49 AM
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116. News said he was given advance notification before news was released
So yes, yes he did.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 09:54 PM
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105. Blessings and prayers on their souls family & friends
Edited on Fri Dec-02-05 09:56 PM by Botany
10 Marines :patriot:




The man is either blissfully unknowing or a cold hearted shit!
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-05 10:41 PM
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109. Important point!!!
They just reported on the explosion on the news... complete with vidgame-type graphics.

The report said two Marines had been killed by snipers in Fallujah, and that this platoon had been sent out to suppress that sniper. Looks like the whole platoon walked into a boobytrap set up to get them.

The learning curve on those insurgents/freedom fighters/bad guys/jihadies is getting steeper. Pretty sophisticated strategery.

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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:47 AM
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110. bush knew!
Bush knew that 11 soldiers were killed in Iraq before he went into the rose garden to give some good news on the economy Friday morning. As you will recall he did not mention it. 26 minutes later after his speech the news broke to the press. McCellan said bush knew before he gave the speech....
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:19 AM
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114. General Odom says get out
Just read it on truthout.




Cher
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:32 AM
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115. Today's Stripes headline: Ten Marines killed by IED
Ten U.S. Marines were killed near Fallujah in central Iraq in the deadliest single incident involving American troops since August, military officials said Friday.

Another 11 Marines were wounded in the attack Thursday, although seven of them already have returned to active duty, the U.S. military said in a statement.

Later Friday, the military said that a soldier assigned to the 2nd Marine Division, II Marine Expeditionary Force, died of wounds received Thursday in Ramadi from a rocket attack on his vehicle.

In addition, three 48th Brigade Combat Team soldiers from the Georgia Army National Guard were killed Friday in a vehicle accident south of Baghdad.

The Marines, members of the 8th Regimental Combat Team of the 2nd Marine Division, based at Camp Lejeune, N.C., were on a foot patrol near Fallujah around 5:30 p.m. when several large-caliber artillery shells that were tied together detonated, the military said.


http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?article=33410§ion=104
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