Noe transferred coin cash before giving to politicians (Ohio Coin Scandal)

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COLUMBUS — Tom Noe often transferred tens of thousands of dollars from the Ohio rare-coin funds he managed to his personal business before bankrolling Republican candidates and causes with contributions and loans.

A Blade examination of the accounting records from Mr. Noe’s $50 million rare-coin venture shows a pattern of large sums of money moving from the coin funds to his personal business, Vintage Coins and Collectibles, in the days and weeks before the coin dealer and his wife, Bernadette, made contributions to Republican candidates ranging from President Bush to U.S. Sen. George Voinovich and Gov. Bob Taft down to Lucas County Auditor Larry Kaczala.

Mr. Noe typically listed the payments from the coin funds to Vintage Coins as "profit distributions" or "coin purchases."

But both of those explanations have been assailed as fraudulent by Ohio Attorney General Jim Petro, who has branded Mr. Noe a thief and accused the former Toledo-area coin dealer of running a Ponzi scheme and making questionable coin trades with the state fund.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/NEWS24/51009002

[Botany]

1. Bernadette Noe was head of the Lucas County BOE

* the city of toledo showed a 39% voter turn out
* the republican suburbs showed 85 to 99.7% turn outs

Sure * won Ohio

Vote yes 2, 3, 4, & 5 Clean up Ohio

www.ReformOhionow.org

[mod mom]

4. Correct Botany! Here is a little info on the Noes for those joining us

recently:

By the early nineties, Tom W. Noe had a net worth of 2.4 million dollars and his coin business had sales over $6.4 million. Then the Blade reports:

By 1992, a year after his business had suffered what he called “a huge loss,” he figured he was more than $16,500 in debt.
As Mr. Noe tried to support a lifestyle that didn’t match his income, the financial strain was crushing
“I was liquidating assets as quickly as I could to appease banks so they wouldn’t foreclose on myself and my business,” he testified during divorce proceedings.

Despite the tough times, he continued to find money to give to politicians and others.
In 1991 and 1992 combined, court records show, Mr. Noe sent $29,200 to GOP politicians or the Republican Party and nearly $11,000 to charities.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050515/NEWS24/505150404/0/NEWS10

Tom Noe is under federal investigation regarding the loss of $ 12 million rare coins from the $ 50 million dollar investment by the Ohio Bureau of Workmens Comp (BWC).Bernadette Noe and Tom Noe both have links to the Lucas County BOE. Ms Noe was Chairperson of the Lucas County BOE during the past election. I hope you have taken the time to read the SOS's Investigation of Lucas county following the election:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/lucas.htm *this report has been removed from the SOS site almost as mysteriously as it appeared. PM me if you are interested in it.


This report includes the fact that REPUBLICAN VOLUNTEERS were allowed UNSUPERVISED ACCESS to UNSECURED BALLOTS prior to the election, as well as this list:

*failure to maintain ballot security
*Inability to implement and maintain a trackable system for voter ballot reconciliation .
*failure to prepare and develop a plan for the processing of the voluminous amount of voter registration forms received.
*issuance and acceptance of incorrect absentee ballot forms.
*manipulation of the process involving the 3% recount.
*disjointed implementation of the Directive regarding the removal of Nader and Camejo from the ballot .
*failure to properly issue hospital ballots in accordance with statutory requirements.
*failure to maintain the security of poll books during the official canvass
*failure to examine campaign finance reports in a timely manner.
*failure to guard and protect public documents.
*failure to guard and protect public documents ....etc.


-One-half of the ballots printed and used in the 2004 general election in Lucas county were stored in an open space on the fhird floor of the county warehouse with no security measures in place.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation on Lucas County BOE page 4



-Live ballots were delivered to polling locations a week in advance of the election. Although the ballots were retrieved, one board employee who was assigned to the warehouse informed the SOS staff that he did not believe all the ballots were successfully retrieved.
SOURCE; SOS Investigation, page 5



-Lucas County BOE failed to record or retrieve ballot stub numbers of absentee voters’ ballots as required by statute OH Revised Code 3505.23. It was reported by an elector that her mother had received not one, but three absentee voter ballots. there was no way to determine if similar incidents occurred and if so how many.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, page 7




-October 4, 2004 was filing deadline for new voter registrations. At that point there were approximately 20,000 unprocessed voter registration applications with less than a month before the election. One mail tray containing 4,500-7,000 (estimates vary) unprocessed “Project Voter” registrations were discovered on or about October 18,2004.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 10

***Of interest here is information obtained from the SOS website entitled ElectionsVoter/results 2003 and 2004 which show the # of registered voters number change from ‘03-’04 was 11,947 in Lucas County: reg voters 2003 in Lucas=288,190 ; registered voter in 2004=300,137.



-In late September or early October an employee of the Ohio Republican Party contacted Sam Thurber (*involved with politician wife Maggie Thurber in Noe scandal.) wanting to inspect and have copies made of all recently returned voter registrations, Ohio Republican Party offered to furnish volunteers to assist with copying postcards. No one at the Lucas County BOE can confirm that anyone was assigned to supervise Republican volunteers. On their second day of copying, a BOE employee, Jennifer Bernath, Democratic Booth Official) saw republican party volunteers peeling off the yellow return stickers applied by the post office. (Violation of RC 149.43 (B) (I) , and agruably a violation of 149.351.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, pgs 18-19

*Among those whose donations have caught the attention of investigators are:

City Councilman Betty Shultz; former state representative Sally Perz, her husband, Joe, and her daughter, Allison; former county elections director Joe Kidd; county Auditor Larry Kaczala and his wife, Gina; County Commissioner Maggie Thurber and her husband, Sam; and two of Mr. Noe’s co-workers at Vintage Coins and Collectibles, partner Tim Lapointe and executive assistant Susan Metzger. Mr. Lapointe’s wife, Linda, also donated.

All of the above gave the campaign $2,000 except the Thurbers; each of them gave $1,950 to the campaign. The $23,900 in donations were made between Oct. 30 and Nov. 5, 2003.

Path of donations At issue is whether Mr. Noe gave people money in order for them to give to the Bush campaign, allowing Mr. Noe to exceed federal spending limits, law-enforcement sources said.
Source:
Toledo Blade - FBI Raids GOP Donor Noe's Condo
Friday, April 29, 2005




-The Swanton 3 poll book turned up missing and has never been recovered.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 16


-The number of precincts in Lucas County for the November 2003 election was 530 precincts, at the time of the November 2, 2004 election there were 495 precincts.


Tom W. Noe served as the Chairman of the Lucas County Republican Party from 1992-1995 as well as on the board of the Lucas County Board of Election from 1993-2003. He was also appointed to the Ohio Board of regents in 1995.

http://www.regents.state.oh.us/people/noe.html


(Although he did not possess a college degree, in fact he dropped out in his first year of college)



It was during his tenure on the BOE that Diebold machines were brought into Lucas County.

"TOLEDO, Ohio, May 10, 2002 ¯ Just about every county in the nation is rushing to update their voting technology, but no county to date has done it faster than Lucas County."
<snip>
"Lucas County Board of Elections Acting Chairman Tom Noe, who was present to observe the May 7th election, was pleased with the outcome. "I don't think there is another county in the nation that has implemented touch screen voting as quickly as Lucas County did for this trial run in a primary election," Noe said. "The people of Lucas County and of Ohio in general can be proud of this achievement.""
http://www.sequoiavote.com/mediadetail.php?id=57

http://www.diebold.com/news/newsdisp.asp?id=2997

Also Mr. Noe intervened with Blackwell in a court case:

Thomas W. Noe files to intervene in Democrat court Case v. BlackwellEdited on Fri May-27-05 05:57 PM by phoebe
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/docs/sandusky/doc5...

Also, please be aware of this information on Democratic Underground, which includes many interesting links:

</www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=371800&mesg_id=371800>

There were so many problems concerning the election in Lucas County, including with the Diebold machines. Here is a report from an observer of the re-count in Lucas County:

December 22, 2004
 
Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Emailed report from Lucas County, Ohio, Recount Observer:

i was a witness for the testing of the optiscan machines on tuesday the 14th.

what is puzzling to me, after the tests of the scanners were finished, the witnesses were not allowed to compare the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. the ballots, the hand count sheets and the printed tapes were all taken away, to another room, out of sight of any witnesses and about 40 minutes later, the director comes out and tells us everything checks out.

we go to lunch and when we come back, we find ourselves waiting in the lobby. why? we were waiting for diebold to reprogram the scanners. what? didn't they just verify that everything was on the up and up? what is the need to reprogram the scanners?

also, during the testing process, one precinct, sylvania 3, continuously had the test ballots spit back out at least 3 times for approximatley 50% of them. during the election, how many times did this occur and what poll worker is going to stand there and continuosly feed the scanner to get it to scan 1 ballot? therefore, how many of the ballots were put in the spoiled pile that were really not spoiled?

another thing that was very interesting was the two people that i was witnessing actually did not know how to run the scanner. are they the type of people that were the normal who were overseeing the election? am i crazy? what is wrong with this picture?

after witnessing the fiasco of a test recount being conducted at the lucas county government center, i am definitely for scrapping this election and having a re- vote. there isn't any other way we are going to get a legitimate election.

Please also visit "Ohio Election 2004" athttp://ohioelection2004.com.

It was during his tenure on the BOE that Diebold machines were brought into Lucas County.

"TOLEDO, Ohio, May 10, 2002 ¯ Just about every county in the nation is rushing to update their voting technology, but no county to date has done it faster than Lucas County."
<snip>
"Lucas County Board of Elections Acting Chairman Tom Noe, who was present to observe the May 7th election, was pleased with the outcome. "I don't think there is another county in the nation that has implemented touch screen voting as quickly as Lucas County did for this trial run in a primary election," Noe said. "The people of Lucas County and of Ohio in general can be proud of this achievement.""
http://www.sequoiavote.com/mediadetail.php?id=57

http://www.diebold.com/news/newsdisp.asp?id=2997


RIGGING THE VOTE IN LUCAS COUNTY

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.
Revised December 24, 2004

-snip-

The very first thing we all noticed when examining the precinct
canvass records for Lucas County was the distribution of turnout.
The range is striking, and turnout is distinctly higher in the
Bush precincts than in the Kerry precincts. In some precincts
the reported turnout is too high to be credible.


PRECINCTS WITH HIGHEST TURNOUT, TOLEDO SUBURBS

Precinct Turnout Bush Kerry

MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 10 92.67 217 161
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 11 92.46 424 298
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP J 91.97 84 40
OREGON 16 89.46 186 210
MAUMEE 18 89.44 205 190
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 7 87.78 285 151
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 9 87.58 195 78
RICHFIELD TOWNSHIP 2 86.76 105 83
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP K 86.74 338 177
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP I 86.48 270 184
SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP 25 86.17 230 116
OREGON 5 86.09 382 390
MONCLOVA TOWNSHIP 5 85.96 365 181
MAUMEE 12 85.48 197 262
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 7 85.36 328 189
OREGON 15 85.23 189 287
YLVANIA CITY 18 85.05 434 214
SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP 9 84.98 297 147
SYLVANIA CITY 10 84.87 254 157
SYLVANIA CITY 21 84.87 516 295
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP H 84.85 211 122
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 3 84.56 356 304
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 6 84.48 293 183
WATERVILLE TOWNSHIP 9 84.31 542 260
SYLVANIA TOWNSHIP CC 84.21 262 194


Turnout above 90% is almost unheard of. I have examined the
canvass records in eight other Ohio counties and have seen
reported turnout above 90% only in two precincts in Miami County
where, in my professional opinion, the election was hacked.
Miami and Lucas counties are also the only two counties whose
records I have examined that used optical scanning machines, as
confirmed by the map posted at

verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Ohio



Altogether there were 63 precincts in Toledo with less than 60%
reported turnout. All of them were won overwhelmingly by John
Kerry. The vote in the aggregate was 19,353 to 4,247, more than
4.5 to 1. But look at the distribution, or more precisely, the
concentration. Of the 8 precincts with less than 50% reported
turnout, 4 are located in 2 wards. Of the 29 precincts with less
than 55% reported turnout, 20 are located in 4 wards, and 24 are
located in 6 wards. Of the 63 precincts with less than 60%
reported turnout, 34 are located in 4 wards, 39 are located in
5 wards, and 43 are located in 6 wards.




TOLEDO PRECINCTS WITH LOWEST REPORTED TURNOUT

Precinct Turnout Bush Kerry

TOLEDO 8-I 39.18 100 328
TOLEDO 18-C 44.01 28 280
TOLEDO 2-D 46.18 50 388
TOLEDO 2-A 47.40 68 275
TOLEDO 8-J 47.50 48 315
TOLEDO 19-C 49.07 117 404
TOLEDO 24-B 49.41 142 191
TOLEDO 2-I 49.91 28 237
TOLEDO 19-D 50.35 45 167
TOLEDO 17-I 50.63 78 283
TOLEDO 2-H 51.47 57 335
TOLEDO 2-G 51.63 59 346
TOLEDO 2-F 52.24 28 294
TOLEDO 18-B 52.32 47 196
TOLEDO 17-C 52.53 34 171
TOLEDO 15-J 52.61 80 271
TOLEDO 4-N 52.69 52 396
TOLEDO 7-B 52.85 72 367
TOLEDO 17-J 53.15 110 343
TOLEDO 17-F 53.46 111 475
TOLEDO 2-C 53.47 70 236
TOLEDO 15-A 53.92 84 209
TOLEDO 8-M 53.98 31 125
TOLEDO 17-H 54.22 89 286
TOLEDO 10-A 54.41 52 424
TOLEDO 6-K 54.48 20 124
TOLEDO 19-B 54.57 101 251
TOLEDO 8-F 54.65 11 222
TOLEDO 19-A 54.89 77 294
TOLEDO 24-D 55.12 206 283
TOLEDO 17-D 55.14 48 145
TOLEDO 14-F 55.42 8 216
TOLEDO 24-E 55.73 112 191
TOLEDO 19-F 55.82 91 230
TOLEDO 18-A 56.22 75 266
TOLEDO 19-E 56.25 55 188
TOLEDO 8-H 56.47 17 221
TOLEDO 6-M 56.51 77 252
TOLEDO 8-C 56.57 9 417
TOLEDO 12-E 56.81 144 291
TOLEDO 17-G 56.87 103 370
TOLEDO 19-H 56.91 75 237
TOLEDO 3-I 57.07 86 253
TOLEDO 4-E 57.14 37 254
TOLEDO 8-K 57.32 33 611
TOLEDO 20-A 57.48 62 292
TOLEDO 14-E 57.77 11 411
TOLEDO 8-L 58.02 20 515
TOLEDO 17-E 58.02 23 70
TOLEDO 8-G 58.29 13 320
TOLEDO 18-G 58.67 80 237
TOLEDO 4-H 58.75 24 278
TOLEDO 13-E 58.78 13 401
TOLEDO 6-F 58.81 167 242
TOLEDO 4-C 59.23 74 380
TOLEDO 18-I 59.56 58 261
TOLEDO 2-B 59.64 60 430
TOLEDO 10-G 59.68 9 289
TOLEDO 19-G 59.70 135 340
TOLEDO 20-I 59.78 34 127
TOLEDO 13-G 59.83 18 259
TOLEDO 13-A 59.84 11 207
TOLEDO 3-C 59.94 82 308


Altogether there were 63 precincts in Toledo with less than 60%
reported turnout. All of them were won overwhelmingly by John
Kerry. The vote in the aggregate was 19,353 to 4,247, more than
4.5 to 1. But look at the distribution, or more precisely, the
concentration. Of the 8 precincts with less than 50% reported
turnout, 4 are located in 2 wards. Of the 29 precincts with less
than 55% reported turnout, 20 are located in 4 wards, and 24 are
located in 6 wards. Of the 63 precincts with less than 60%
reported turnout, 34 are located in 4 wards, 39 are located in
5 wards, and 43 are located in 6 wards.

/web.northnet.org/minstrel/toledo.htm
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/toledo.htm

Lucas County Democratic headquarters burglarized


A Toledo police officer leaves the scene of a burglary at Democratic Headquarters in Toledo today.
( THE BLADE/LORI KING )



The Lucas County Democratic Headquarters was burglarized overnight, and three computers, including the party’s main system, were stolen.
The computers contained highly sensitive information, including the party’s financial information, names and personal phone numbers of hundreds of party members, candidates, and volunteers.
The computers also stored e-mails from candidates that included discussion about campaign strategy.

A second computer, belonging to an attorney-volunteer working to ensure voters’ rights, also was taken, officials said. The headquarters on 1817 Madison Avenue does have an alarm system that volunteers believed they set late Monday when they left.
However, it apparently wasn’t tripped during the night. Workers arriving about 7:30 a.m. yesterday noticed the back window had been shattered and called police.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041012/NEWS03/41012016




December 22, 2004
 
Report from Recount Observer, Lucas County, Ohio
Emailed report from Lucas County, Ohio, Recount Observer:

i was a witness for the testing of the optiscan machines on tuesday the 14th.

what is puzzling to me, after the tests of the scanners were finished, the witnesses were not allowed to compare the hand count results to the printed results from the scanners. the ballots, the hand count sheets and the printed tapes were all taken away, to another room, out of sight of any witnesses and about 40 minutes later, the director comes out and tells us everything checks out.

we go to lunch and when we come back, we find ourselves waiting in the lobby. why? we were waiting for diebold to reprogram the scanners. what? didn't they just verify that everything was on the up and up? what is the need to reprogram the scanners?

also, during the testing process, one precinct, sylvania 3, continuously had the test ballots spit back out at least 3 times for approximatley 50% of them. during the election, how many times did this occur and what poll worker is going to stand there and continuosly feed the scanner to get it to scan 1 ballot? therefore, how many of the ballots were put in the spoiled pile that were really not spoiled?

another thing that was very interesting was the two people that i was witnessing actually did not know how to run the scanner. are they the type of people that were the normal who were overseeing the election? am i crazy? what is wrong with this picture?

after witnessing the fiasco of a test recount being conducted at the lucas county government center, i am definitely for scrapping this election and having a re- vote. there isn't any other way we are going to get a legitimate election.

Please also visit "Ohio Election 2004" athttp://ohioelection2004.com.


Looking at the GEMS official results (from Lucas County BOE discs obtained through a public records request) I noticed a weird discrepancy:

First, Presidential results from Lucas:

Badnarik 294
bu$h 87,106 (39.56%)
Kerry 132,537 (60.19%)
Cobb 8
Schriner 2

TOTAL VOTES: 220,190 with 495 precinct in Lucas

Now.. there are 2 congressional districts in Lucas County: District 9 and District 5

Here are the results for DISTRICT 9 CONGRESSIONAL SEAT(which obviously includes Toledo):

Kaczala (R) 60,949
Kaptur (D) 145,998

TOTAL VOTES: 206,947 with 478 precincts

DISTRICT 5 CONGRESSIONAL SEAT:

Gillmor (R) 5,497
Weirsuch(D) 3,277

TOTAL VOTES: 8,774 with 17 precincts

********
Total Votes in the County for PRESIDENT=220,190
Total Votes for the county for CONGRESS=215,721

Now it is understandable that more people might vote for president while leaving a congress vote blank, but...

Total Dem Votes in County for President = 132,537 while
Total Dem Votes in County for Congress = 149,275

that equates to 16,738 more dem votes for congress than dem votes for president AND

Marcy KAPTUR IN DISTRICT 9 (WITH 478 PRECINCTS AND A TOTAL OF 206,947 POSSIBLE VOTES) HAD 13,461 MORE VOTES THAN KERRY!

[Botany]

5. Random Chance .... Sour Grapes .... it didn't happen

:rofl:

My favorite is in Franklin County the head of the BOE and former head
of the county repugs ..... had 62 extra voting machines locked up on
election day despite 3 to 10 hour waits to vote.

[mtnester]

15. That was Matt Damschroeder - asshat supreme

The precinct I was watching had 50% less voting machines than previous elections ( as noted by regular voters), and had added a whole new precinct to the voting place (very small tiny union hall, your wait was outside in the cold rain). The last person in line at 7:30 finally voted at 5 minutes after midnight.

[converted_democrat]

2. More proof of the Culture of Corruption. (as if we needed more proof) n/t

[indepat]

3. God, how I love it so: these guys will stop at nothing, it's victory at

any price, by any means.

[Botany]

6. I forgot this Lucas County Gem ..... from 11/2/04 SOS's office

[Occulus]

7. Can you explain? I looked and looked

but i don't know what I'm looking for.

[Botany]

9. Look @ the Lucas County vote ...

Kerry has 0 votes in a county he won with 6% of the vote in?
Cobb shows more votes in this screen capture then he got state
wide (i think) you might have to move your screen over a little.

This is a screen capture from Sec. of State Ken Blackwell's office .....
It shows that software somewhere along the line was nulling out
Kerry votes.


look @ Hamilton County too

[loudsue]

12. And tell me again WHY the FBI was not called in to lock-down these

voting machines and do a forensics investigation?

That whole state should have been audited by outside groups -- non-partisan groups.

The corruption in Florida and Ohio knows no bounds.

:kick:

[OzarkDem]

14. Because Petro himself refused to investigate

The same AG who is feigning outrage and indignation at Noe's crimes received campaign contributions from him and refused to investigate the mess for at least 2 months after it became public.

SEC warned them numerous times that the investments were shady and Petro did nothing, nothing.

In a law abiding ethical state, Petro wouldn't even be in office right now, he would have been forced to resign.

[mod mom]

13. 1st Look at the Kerry #s and Cobb #s and note that Cobb got only 198 votes

for the entire state of Ohio (sounds weird I know).

Here is an explanation I received from the original poster:

I believe it shows database manipulation, however that
>doesn't
>>mean it shows central tabulator manipulation. It is
>important
>>to find out where the website is getting its data from. If
>it
>>reads the data directly from the central tabulator's
>database,
>>then it would show manipulation of the central tabulator.
>If
>>it reads the data from another database that gets its data
>>from the central tabulator, then it would show manipulation
>or
>>error in the second database or possibly still manipulation
>of
>>the central tabulator.
>>
>>The reason why I believe it shows manipulation by hand is
>not
>>only the mistakes, but that the mistakes were "corrected" a
>>little later in the evening. This had to be done by human
>>hands as the database wouldn't just automatically correct
>>itself.
>>
>>There is still the very very remote possibility that it was
>a
>>website error, rather than database manipulation, however
>>since it only happened to certain counties, I can safely
>>conclude that it was not a website error. If it was a
>website
>>error, it would have happened to every county or no counties.
>
>>The fact that it only happened to some of them shows that it
>>was being manipulated in the database.
>>
>>I do not think that human error was a factor because humans
>>shouldn't have been able to access the info and change it.
>If
>>they did, then that is the definition of manipulation.
>

[cassiepriam]

8. How about Warren Co voter lockdown?

[Botany]

10. al Qaeada was after King's Island.

:rofl:

[cassiepriam]

11. They can have it. Rattle their brains out on the Beast. nt