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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:48 PM
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Disaster experts: Federal government wasn't ready for Katrina
By SETH BORENSTEIN

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - The federal government so far has bungled the job of quickly helping the multitudes of hungry, thirsty and desperate victims of Hurricane Katrina, former top federal, state and local disaster chiefs said Wednesday.

The experts, including a former Bush administration disaster response manager, told Knight Ridder that the government wasn't prepared, scrimped on storm spending and shifted its attention from dealing with natural disasters to fighting the global war on terrorism.

The disaster preparedness agency at the center of the relief effort is the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which was enveloped by the new Department of Homeland Security with a new mission aimed at responding to the attacks of al-Qaida.

"What you're seeing is revealing weaknesses in the state, local and federal levels," said Eric Tolbert, who until February was FEMA's disaster response chief. "All three levels have been weakened. They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism." <snip>

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/nation/12528135.htm

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:49 PM
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1. (duh)
Bush Inc is screwing Americans (and others) every which way they can.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:50 PM
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2. Well, those people in NOLA looked terrified to me.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:50 PM
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3. They're not ready for a Hurricane that we had several days
advance notice of, and they're supposedly supposed to be ready for a random terrorist attack?

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:41 AM
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12. I think they are quite prepared already for a random terrorist attack
They have their excuses and spin written, focus-group tested, and polished to perfection to explain why they couldn't stop it. But the damned excuses just don't work on a hurricane they had two days advance warning of, and which turned out to be the most exact hurricane prediction I've ever seen.

On Saturday they were saying it would strike land between New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast as a Category 4 on Monday morning. It went aground exactly where they said, when they said, and how they said. ANother goddamn memo that Bush didn't read, I guess.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 11:52 PM
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4. Fighting "the global war on terrorism?"
Jesus Christ, even when they're dissing him out of one side of their mouths, they're sucking him off with the other! Obviously, Knight-Ritter got the memo about changing the name of the war to Global War on Terrorism from The War in Iraq, or whatever they were calling it before. Maybe we should just call it Diddy!
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:01 AM
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5. This tells it like it is.
Appointed officials with little experience. If there is justice in this world, there WILL be political fallout for * from this.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:05 AM
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6. and some of the democrats acted like cheer leaders
and where are the democratic leaders NOW?

Or perhaps they have issued statements or whatever -- but as usual the media whores don't cover the democrats -- preferring to follow the nitwit dumb ass jerk around.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:07 AM
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7. I don't know about y'all but I feel SO much safer now
:sarcasm:

In other news: Sun rises in east. Water is wet.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:25 AM
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8. Ouch
They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism.

Ouch.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:08 AM
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26. Ouch indeed
Someone better get them a band-aid, that's gonna leave a mark.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:25 AM
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9. If Clinton was President.....
he'd have been directing the relief efforts from NO as soon as a helicopter could have gotten him in there. He'd have inspired the locals and rallied the nation by being there and pitching in. He'd have made it a national priority from Day One.

What a difference character and leadership make in our selection of Presidents.....
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:51 AM
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38. ANY moderately competant president would do the same thing.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:29 AM
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10. I thought we would be waiting another 2 weeks for this to surface in MSM
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:31 AM
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11. if at all - so yes this was quite fast
considering

this cabal needs to be run out NOW

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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 12:46 AM
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13. i saw this reported on cnn too
"For example, in the 1990s, in planning for a New Orleans nightmare scenario, the federal government figured it would pre-deploy nearby ships with pumps to remove water from the below-sea-level city and have hospital ships nearby, said James Lee Witt, who was FEMA director under President Clinton.

Federal officials said a hospital ship would leave from Baltimore on Friday."

and this ship isn't expected to reach NOLA until sept 8th! what the hell were they waiting for? why wasn't this ship dispatched BEFORE katrina hit when it was obvious that the LA/MS/AL coast was going to be hit?
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 05:06 AM
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25. The hospital ship will leave Baltimore on Friday?
How many more people will die just waiting for aid that wasn't sent on a timely basis? Leaving Baltimore Friday? There is no sense of urgency in what the federal government is doing.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:00 AM
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14. And in the event of a real terrorist attack
is there ANY doubt left that they'll bungle the response to that as well?
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 01:07 AM
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15. Why does this not surprise me!
:-(
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:25 AM
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16. This is something that needs to be said, read, and spread.
Foment discontent. Plant the seeds. Poison the well. Step by step, kick the bastards toward the door...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:25 AM
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17. They CONTRIBUTED to the cause
and bungled the relief.
(FEMA funding, defenses funding, lack of planning, wetlands development - see Sidney Blumenthal''s account of responsibility.)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:29 AM
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18. But... but... but... he's keeping us safe! 9/11! God Bless America!
We just need to make sure we keep mentioning this whenever we get the opportunity. Little mentions. Quick hits. As our sparring coach in karate would say - "quick jabs and then get out." Plant the seed. Poison the well. Stir things up. The polls are going against him. People are mad. And if they're not hurting from the hurricane aftermath directly, they're hurting at the gas pumps by the day, from coast to coast. This kind of thing is how the Romanovs fell. Critical mass was reached. So was the tipping point. And it tipped the whole ship over.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:53 AM
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19. Did it have to happen?
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 02:55 AM by JoFerret
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313



Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Much more
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:58 AM
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20. whow. Knight Righter done great with this one!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 02:59 AM
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21. They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism." EXactly!!
they are finally talking about the elephant in the room!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:00 AM
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22. kick
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:23 AM
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23. I have to wonder
What would happen right now if the west coast were to have a large earthquake? Could we even begin to deal with a second natural disaster?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 04:55 AM
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24. We've just reached the PEAK of the Hurricane season
don't need an earthquake to make things worse. Most likely the US somewhere will be hit with another powerful hurricane before the end of the seaon.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:10 AM
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27. skimping on FEMA hurt our "homeland" because we weren't
prepared for any disaster of this magnitude whether it was natural or terrorist based.

So the Bush Admin really fucked up and now he has a war on two fronts...he is an immensely stupid jackass.
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Massachusetts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:20 AM
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28. "skimping on FEMA hurt our "homeland" because we weren't"
Yes,
But we are prepared for an invasion by the Iranian Navy.

(SARCASM WITH A SIDE OF ANGER)
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:52 AM
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30. Add in that the NATIONAL guard isn't protecting the NATION
it's over in Iraq.

Bush makes bad decisions. It's just that simple. His priorities are all wrong.




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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:51 AM
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29. If there was a major terror attack, wouldn't they need to provide a major
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 06:51 AM by Skwmom
relief effort? This is pathetic.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:03 AM
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31. And why is that?
Because our elected/selected officials are only prepared for emergency party fundraisers. And the fundraisers are alway attended by people who buy them off to weaken government so they can profit. Connect the dots.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:13 AM
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32. The head of FEMA
now gets my vote for the stupidest statement ever made by a government official. When asked about all the people still stranded without food, water or medical necessities, Mr. head-of-FEMA suggested they go to their local churches to seek relief.

I mean, just what the hell can ya' say? :banghead:
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LevelB Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:21 AM
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33. Sounds like a faith based rescue operation
B.

n/t
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 06:55 PM
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44. He didn't! He told them to go to their local churches????
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Um...guess he hasn't noticed...There ARE No Local Churches! Mother-f.....

Welcome to the brave new world of totally Faith-based disaster relief.

:grr:

Just when I think these heartless, incompetent, lying, motherless bastards can't MAKE Me ANY ANGRIER!!!

:nuke:
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:30 AM
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34. Terrorists Could Have Broken the Levy Too
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 07:32 AM by JPZenger
It is a weak excuse to say that efforts were diverted from disaster relief to homeland security. The same types of preparation are needed, in many cases. If terrorists wanted to attack a U.S. city, they could have easily determined that New Orleans was one of the most vulnerable, because it is below sea level next to a huge lake. The terrorists could have waited for high tide and then blown a hole in the levy with explosives. It would have had a similar effect.

The vulnerabilities of New Orleans were not a secret. There have been hour long stories about it on nationwide cable channels. I remember one show stressed how vulnerable New Orleans would be to a major flood if the many chemical plants to the north of the City released toxics downstream.

One news report (posted elsewhere on DU) said the White House had specifically delayed local requests for funding to strengthen the levies earlier this year.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 07:42 AM
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35. Katrina was al-Qaida......and our mommy & daddy haven't a clue
that people, and the ability to perform without apparent effort are the first priorities.

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 08:34 AM
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36. Federal government not prepared? I am SHOCKED!
:sarcasm:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:09 AM
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37. Privatization strikes again...
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:53 AM
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42. SO WHERE WAS THIS IEM????
n/t
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:55 AM
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39. Not ready for ANY disaster man-made or natural, we're on our own people!
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 09:56 AM by demo dutch
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 09:55 AM
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40. They have been exposed. Where are the billions supposedly
spent in preparing for national disasters? I don't give a crap if it's floods, hurricanes or an attack. We have been exposed as being woefully unprepared for any of it.

We need to demand accountability now. Where exactly did all of our money go?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 10:10 AM
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41. People you're on your own in any disaster man-made or natural and
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 10:16 AM by demo dutch
I thought that the goverment has a basic responsability of keeping its citizens safe. Clearly that's become a joke!
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:14 AM
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43. First 911...
now FEMA and federal emergency assistance is a joke!

Man if you are poor and/or need federal assistance in this country, you are seriously SOL.
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