Survey: 25,000 civilians killed in Iraq war (US led forces caused 37%)

[sabra]

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/19/iraq.bodycount.reut/

Survey: 25,000 civilians killed in Iraq war
U.S.-led forces caused 37 percent of deaths, group says

(Reuters) -- U.S.-led forces, insurgents and criminal gangs have killed nearly 25,000 civilians, police and army recruits since the war began in March 2003, according to a survey by Iraq Body Count, a U.S.-British non-government group.

Nearly half the deaths occurred in Baghdad, where a fifth of Iraq's 25 million people live, according to media reports that Iraq Body Count has surveyed.

The second-highest death toll was in the former insurgent stronghold of Falluja, where one in every 137 of the town's population has died violently.

Of the total, nearly 37 percent were killed by U.S.-led forces, according to the group.

The group said the information "provides a unique insight into the human consequences of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq".

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[pocket]

1. that's way too low

and the US is responsible for %100

[ET Awful]

2. I'd say that number is a tad low . . . like it's off by 50,000

or more.

[liberal N proud]

3. How many people is Saddam credited with killing?

Just trying to get an idea of how much better off the people of Iraq are since we invaded.

[Cha]

4. That's a hellava lot but

why have I read "100,000" like forever?

[FloridaPat]

5. Latest figure I saw was 128,000. CNN is probably using the

"demonstration counting" method. You know, when there is a big demonstration is Washington, only 50,000 people show up even though there are people shoulder to shoulder for miles all over Washington.

[bluestateguy]

6. Regrettably

This news will be brushed aside fairly quickly by the MSM. Nor is this the reason more and more Americans are turning against the war. Americans are turning against the war because of the financial cost and the loss of American lives, which is far less than 25,000. Unfortunately, Americans, most of them anyway, just can't identify with the Iraqi victims of war, but they can identify with the American victims of war. Hence, as a political realist, I would suggest that when making arguments to non-Left Americans we stress the costs of this war for the US. Unfortunate that it has to be that way, but pointing out the cost of the war on the Iraqi population just won't be convincing to conservative white people in Missouri.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

9. or you can just say we visited at least 10 sept.11's on them

ya know, speak in their terms.

[leftchick]

7. Iraqi Humanitarian Group says 128,000 Dead mostly women and

children. This squares with the Lancet survey of a year ago....

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m13663&l=i&size=1&hd=0

BAGHDAD, July 12, 2005 -- An Iraqi humanitarian organization is reporting that 128,000 Iraqis have been killed since the U.S. invasion began in March 2003.

Mafkarat al-Islam reported that chairman of the 'Iraqiyun humanitarian organization in Baghdad, Dr. Hatim al-'Alwani, said that the toll includes everyone who has been killed since that time, adding that 55 percent of those killed have been women and children aged 12 and under.

'Iraqiyun obtained data from relatives and families of the deceased, as well as from Iraqi hospitals in all the country's provinces. The 128,000 figure only includes those whose relatives have been informed of their deaths and does not include those were abducted, assassinated or simply disappeared.

The number includes those who died during the U.S. assaults on al-Fallujah and al-Qa'im. 'Iraqiyun's figures conflict with the Iraqi Body Count public database compiled by Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies. According to the Graduate Institute of International Studies' database, 39,000 Iraqis have been killed as a direct result of combat or armed violence since March 2003. No official estimates of Iraqi casualties from the war have been issued by the Pentagon, which insists that it does not do "body counts." The Washington Post on July 12 reported that U.S. military deaths in Iraq now total 1,755.

[Karmakaze]

8. Its misleading...

The group took its data, including figures showing that more than 42,000 civilians wounded in the same two years, from an analysis of more than 10,000 press and media reports published since the war began.

These figures are based SOLELY on media reported deaths - thus the number of deaths NOT reported is UNKNOWN.

It could be 10, it could be 100,000.