380,000 votes missing in CA

[laruemtt]

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20031010044609990001

yea, it's aol - one of my clients demands i use it. but this popped up this morning.

[punpirate]

1. Your link requires an AOL screen name....

[JaneQPublic]

3. Try this

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20031010_510.html

Studies: 383,000 Missing Votes in Recall, Most From Punch Cards

[laruemtt]

5. FL 2000 redux?

[punpirate]

6. I think undervotes...

... were already verified by exit polls.

Not saying it makes any sense, but that just might be the way it was. I don't entirely believe the business about it all being on punch cards, since similar numbers are recorded across many CA counties, all with dissimilar vote recording equipment.

The punch card stuff is a ruse, I would guess, to convince the public of the necessity for touch-screen equipment.

Will have to check more on this--the only way to know for sure is if there is a profound difference statistically from county to county, and that would take some digging--comparing results to equipment used, county by county, and by voting history.

Cheers.

[Spazito]

7. Kick

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[idontwantaname]

8. i agree although ive never had problems with the cards...

theres definitely an alternate agenda going on.

[leesa]

12. This will be a scam to justify touch screens?

[mhr]

2. Scientific analysis turns up 384,000 of ``missing'' votes in recall

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/10/09/state2033EDT0164.DTL

Scientific analysis turns up 384,000 of ``missing'' votes in recall
RACHEL KONRAD, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, October 9, 2003

SAN FRANCISCO -- Two independent studies of California's recall election found "missing votes" in counties throughout the state, casting doubt on antiquated punch card systems.

Nearly 9 percent of people who cast ballots on punch card voting machines in Los Angeles County did not vote on whether to recall Gov. Gray Davis, said researchers at Harvard University and University of California, Berkeley. Researchers said one in 11 voters in the state's most populous county either abstained from the recall question or disqualified their selection by voting both "yes" and "no."

Even if the 4.6 percent of Californians whose ballots did not answer the recall question had voted against it, Davis would have lost. The recall passed by a margin of 10.8 percent, and Republican actor Arnold Schwarzenegger enjoyed a comfortable victory.

But California's anomalies could resonate nationwide, as counties scramble to modernize election equipment to qualify for federal funding in the 2002 Help America Vote Act. Although election equipment vendors dismissed the research as flawed and "dangerous," the researchers said the California ballots that most often failed to answer the recall question were cast on Votomatic punch card systems.

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[sandlapper]

15. Voter registration exams needed?

The problems here and in large measure those uncovered in the Fla. election seem to be more a case of individual voters without the basic knowledge than a question of paper trails, electronic voting or punch cards. Maybe it is simply time to recognize that you have to demonstrate proficiency in using the voting method in your precinct to get registered.

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[Fridays Child]

9. Those were auditable votes. What about the paperless votes?

We'll never know, will we?

[Greyskye]

10. And we'll never know how many votes missing from BBV precincts

Accountability, anyone? :puke:

[hang a left]

11. I am giving this a this is pissing me off KICK!

[DeathvadeR]

13. Ya know 100, a 1000, maybe even 10000 would be acceptable but....

over a quarter million votes? WTF???

How do they determine they are missing anyways? A missing vote would be a no vote right? Am I suppose to believe they contact every voter and ask them to verify their vote???

Shouldn't it have read errored or illigitament or disqualified votes instead of missing? The word Missing might have been purposly chosen to favor a change in the voting system(aka electo voting).

[bushisanidiot]

14. Californians Need to DEMAND a Recount In Preparation for the '04 Elections

We need to know NOW what will happen if the margin of winning is close enough for a recount. They will NEED a papertrail to verify the vote count. Why wait until the repukes steal another election to figure out the paperless trail problem????? Do it NOW!

[MaryBear]

16. Am I behind on the numbers?

I thought Ahnold won by 500,000 some votes. This is irrelevant to the outcome of the election.

[smallprint]

20. By itself, yes

But if there are other anomalies, it could make a difference. And furthermore, how can you say the election is fair if you don't know why there are 300,000 votes missing?

[demdave]

17. Having worked the polls for over 12 years, the stupidity of the voters

never amaze me. Mentally incompetants are allowed to vote. The seriously feeble minded elderly are allowed to vote. I see no reason to believe there is any conspiracy here. I rather think that there are a double digit percentage of people who could screw up a "raise your hand" voting system. We have a push screen system that also has a write-in slot with attached pencil. After the first election with this system they had to start issuing wet-wipes so we could erase the pencilled in votes on the electronic overlay screen.

[Zhade]

18. The vote was blackboxed. Also, cellphoned results. FRAUD!

NT!

[goforit]

19. Stolen again!!!!.............Hope they caught them on camera!!!

Lock -stock and barrel!!!

[lbailey]

21. Did they check the SF Bay?

That's where they found them last time.