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Supreme Ct: Govts can seize homes, bus for econ dev
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 09:50 AM by UpInArms
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/newsfinder/pulseone.asp...

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that local governments can seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private economic development.

...very short blurb...

adding NYTs article on edit:

Justices Back Seizing Homes for Economic Development

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/23/politics/23wire-scotu...

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.

It was a decision fraught with huge implications for a country with many areas, particularly the rapidly growing urban and suburban areas, facing countervailing pressures of development and property ownership rights.

The 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.

As a result, cities now have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes in order to generate tax revenue.

...still a very short blurb...
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  - ...and the Corporation reigned, supreme over all. n/t  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 09:36 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, but here's the sick kicker -  JerseygirlCT   Jun-23-05 10:38 AM   #99 
     - It only proves one thing.  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:39 AM   #102 
     - Why does anyone think it's anything but a show?  JRob   Jun-23-05 11:38 AM   #153 
     - What do you mean by that?  conservdem   Jun-23-05 01:08 PM   #234 
        - It seems to me that there is all this noise being generated on both...  JRob   Jun-23-05 01:33 PM   #247 
           - Rob, that seems to be the truth doesnt it?  shance   Jun-23-05 03:21 PM   #295 
     - Yep, and I'm afraid progressives will pay a severe price for this  William Seger   Jun-23-05 11:44 AM   #159 
     - We can only hope.  losdiablosgato   Jun-23-05 11:58 AM   #168 
     - Hope? Afraid that's gone when the real Democrats dissappeared.  reprobate   Jun-23-05 12:51 PM   #216 
     - Great idea!  JerseygirlCT   Jun-23-05 01:38 PM   #248 
     - You want sadder, the freepers agree with us,this is a bad decision.  losdiablosgato   Jun-23-05 11:57 AM   #167 
     - Its not sad that they agree, its good. Its more likely this terrible ruling  conservdem   Jun-23-05 01:16 PM   #242 
     - You got that right!!!!! I couldn't believe my ears when I heard Stevens  DuaneBidoux   Jun-23-05 01:42 PM   #249 
     - O'Connor dissented  smirkymonkey   Jun-23-05 01:53 PM   #253 
     - I know, I'm shocked as well to be in agreement with that bunch! n/t  FourStarDemocrat   Jun-23-05 02:18 PM   #267 
  - wow, just like China now...  NewJeffCT   Jun-23-05 09:37 AM   #2 
  - "Freedom is on the March" coming to a town near you n/t  Sydnie   Jun-23-05 09:37 AM   #3 
  - Yeah, before we know it, freedom will be marching to Canada  MADem   Jun-23-05 02:01 PM   #260 
  - F**K!  gauguin57   Jun-23-05 09:37 AM   #4 
  - I waved goodbye to America on Nov. 4, 2004  getmeouttahere   Jun-23-05 09:41 AM   #12 
  - just another signal from those that brought you *Co on 12/12/00  UpInArms   Jun-23-05 09:45 AM   #20 
  - Liberals on the wrong side on this one  JoFerret   Jun-23-05 11:14 AM   #138 
  - How about December 12, 2000.  Straight Shooter   Jun-23-05 09:48 AM   #27 
     - Freepers are pissed too  Abathar   Jun-23-05 11:51 AM   #166 
        - Why don't you believe it?  Mitt Chovick   Jun-23-05 01:14 PM   #240 
        - Those who give all to the concept of US Gov. will backlash the strongest.  Peake   Jun-23-05 01:56 PM   #257 
  - THE BUCK STAYS HERE! In my wallet...  JRob   Jun-23-05 11:41 AM   #157 
  - What are you even talking about?  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 01:48 PM   #251 
     - But the compensation does NOT have to be at market value  Eloriel   Jun-23-05 02:52 PM   #287 
  - Your house? Not your house anymore.  Ready4Change   Jun-23-05 09:38 AM   #5 
  - I'll bet that even if they take your house....  obreaslan   Jun-23-05 10:41 AM   #107 
     - The Homeowner Is Compensated  iamjoy   Jun-23-05 11:19 AM   #144 
  - Bye bye American Dream! If you've got it and a rich bastard wants it...  havocmom   Jun-23-05 09:39 AM   #6 
  - Yeah. Pointless to buy a home now.  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 09:42 AM   #15 
  - Yeah, bye bye housing bubble too!  havocmom   Jun-23-05 09:51 AM   #38 
     - The liberals on the court are the ones who ruled for this  losdiablosgato   Jun-23-05 12:11 PM   #175 
        - there are no liberals on SCOTUS  havocmom   Jun-23-05 12:41 PM   #208 
        - What "liberal"? This ruling shows there are none.  reprobate   Jun-23-05 12:55 PM   #220 
  - Yup -- that's how Dubya and his pals got the land for the stadium for  Vitruvius   Jun-23-05 10:36 AM   #95 
     - If I'm not mistaken, they declared many properties "condemned"  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:49 AM   #115 
  - True conservatives should be outraged  bluestateguy   Jun-23-05 09:39 AM   #7 
  - Yah the conservative judges sided with O'Connor (against this)  Charles19   Jun-23-05 10:07 AM   #59 
  - Yeah, I didn't understand that... n/t  Hun Joro   Jun-23-05 10:40 AM   #103 
  - Over in freperville they are as mad at this as we are  losdiablosgato   Jun-23-05 12:35 PM   #201 
  - And the Wal-Mart shopping freeptards CHEERED!  bushisanidiot   Jun-23-05 09:39 AM   #8 
  - Actually, you're wrong...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:00 AM   #49 
  - Freeptards sell their home to the chinese run Wal-marts  bushisanidiot   Jun-23-05 10:07 AM   #58 
  - Whatever...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:11 AM   #64 
     - Cl;arence Thomas and Antonin Scalia tried  JoFerret   Jun-23-05 11:16 AM   #139 
  - yeah they are  pazarus   Jun-23-05 11:33 AM   #148 
  - "Lord President Walton"  AX10   Jun-23-05 10:45 AM   #111 
  - Rec for greatest. This means we have no property rights anymore.  elehhhhna   Jun-23-05 09:40 AM   #9 
  - Isn't this what we were criticizing Chavez for?  billbuckhead   Jun-23-05 09:42 AM   #14 
     - China does it all the time  NewJeffCT   Jun-23-05 09:49 AM   #30 
     - Chavez takes land and builds shopping malls?  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:27 AM   #82 
     - no....in fact, just the opposite...  ret5hd   Jun-23-05 10:44 AM   #110 
  - Can we seize Texas & sell it to Costco?  NewJeffCT   Jun-23-05 09:40 AM   #10 
  - This from the "liberal" SCOTUS...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 09:40 AM   #11 
  - I really don't know how much more of this shit I can take.  olafvikingr   Jun-23-05 09:42 AM   #13 
     - I just ventured into the cesspool...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 09:45 AM   #17 
        - Freeper calls it Communism:  elehhhhna   Jun-23-05 09:49 AM   #31 
        - It isn't communism. It's fascism.  tk2kewl   Jun-23-05 09:55 AM   #42 
        - So true. The sooner people get that Democracy has been replaced...  olddad56   Jun-23-05 11:40 AM   #155 
        - "Communism = Facsism"- Susan Sontag  FourStarDemocrat   Jun-23-05 02:22 PM   #269 
        - For once, we are in total agreement with the Freepers.  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 09:56 AM   #43 
        - Check my post above.  tk2kewl   Jun-23-05 10:03 AM   #53 
        - Hell is freezing over.....n/t  pacoyogi   Jun-23-05 10:12 AM   #65 
        - Not commnism when done for PRIVATE interests  havocmom   Jun-23-05 10:16 AM   #70 
        - It's FASCISM You Stupid Fucktard Freepers! n/t  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 11:45 AM   #162 
           - Freepers are always afraid to use the word Fascism. I wonder why... n/t  FourStarDemocrat   Jun-23-05 02:23 PM   #271 
        - This ENTIRE court needs to be removed.  AX10   Jun-23-05 10:25 AM   #80 
  - Unbelievable....Remind me, what country is this?  truebrit71   Jun-23-05 09:43 AM   #16 
  - why did the more liberal court members vote for this?  NewJeffCT   Jun-23-05 09:45 AM   #18 
  - Because there is no "liberal" anymore.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:29 AM   #86 
  - Afraid of judge assassinations?  OKthatsIT   Jun-23-05 10:37 AM   #97 
  - Because they don't interpret the Constitution "strictly"  davepc   Jun-23-05 12:27 PM   #192 
  - But they can't require an easment for a bike path (Dolan v Tigard OR)  tk2kewl   Jun-23-05 09:45 AM   #19 
  - As I suspected...  Inland   Jun-23-05 10:14 AM   #68 
  - gee..... where are all the republicans ?  madrchsod   Jun-23-05 09:45 AM   #21 
  - The conservatives on the court were in the majority.  igil   Jun-23-05 10:12 AM   #66 
  - planning new strip malls and box stores where our houses currently stand  fryguy   Jun-23-05 10:22 AM   #78 
  - Republicans were RIGHT - Liberals were WRONG  seaofcrisis   Jun-23-05 11:22 AM   #146 
     - how can you say such a thing?  hfojvt   Jun-23-05 12:00 PM   #170 
     - You're only half right...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:14 PM   #177 
        - who r u kidding?  seaofcrisis   Jun-23-05 01:18 PM   #243 
        - Who said I was talking specifically about Conn.?  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 01:21 PM   #245 
        - Amen.  Old and In the Way   Jun-23-05 01:27 PM   #246 
  - I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United Corporations of America...  Junkdrawer   Jun-23-05 09:46 AM   #22 
  - that's it?? that's all we get for a story???  dweller   Jun-23-05 09:47 AM   #23 
  - see updated original post  UpInArms   Jun-23-05 09:50 AM   #34 
  - I have been waiting for  MuseRider   Jun-23-05 09:47 AM   #24 
  - No surprise, and no problem.  Inland   Jun-23-05 09:47 AM   #25 
  - there WAS another quasi-requirement  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 09:51 AM   #36 
  - Increased local tax revenue = public use (now with text)  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 09:58 AM   #48 
     - Goes hand in hand with their ruling that money is a form of speech.  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:01 AM   #50 
  - So entirely wrong...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 09:57 AM   #45 
     - Nope. It happens, and its not a problem.  Inland   Jun-23-05 10:09 AM   #61 
        - You are completely and utterly and devastatingly wrong.  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:18 AM   #72 
        - You are entirely correct.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:33 AM   #90 
        - No offense taken. You have your interests.  Inland   Jun-23-05 10:35 AM   #93 
        - How does this ruling address zoning laws?  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:37 AM   #96 
        - Of course it does.  Inland   Jun-23-05 11:01 AM   #128 
           - That's a stretch.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 11:06 AM   #132 
        - My points are backed up by hard facts...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:41 AM   #106 
           - To me, its not a question of whose ox is being gored. To you, it is.  Inland   Jun-23-05 11:12 AM   #135 
              - So...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:04 PM   #172 
        - I agree.  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 11:59 AM   #169 
        - Are you a major developer yourself?  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:39 AM   #100 
        - ROFL! I own my three bedroom condo!  Inland   Jun-23-05 10:58 AM   #123 
           - Don't Kid Yourself  smb   Jun-23-05 11:08 AM   #133 
           - And pay for it.  Inland   Jun-23-05 11:14 AM   #137 
           - Perhaps more tax revenue can be generated by using the land your...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:27 PM   #193 
        - Meanwhile, back in the Reality-Based World....  smb   Jun-23-05 11:03 AM   #131 
           - I guess the cost of land doesn't fit into reality based world anymore.  Inland   Jun-23-05 11:18 AM   #142 
              - Million Dollar Mansion  RobinA   Jun-23-05 12:19 PM   #184 
              - That is EXACTLY OUR POINT!!!  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:31 PM   #196 
  - The majority: Souter, Breyer, Kennedy, Bader Ginsberg and Stevens  Rose Siding   Jun-23-05 09:48 AM   #26 
  - No, it actually makes perfect sense...  IrateCitizen   Jun-23-05 09:51 AM   #35 
  - What is up with  Doomy   Jun-23-05 09:56 AM   #44 
  - this ruling has interesting implications that could be positive  samsingh   Jun-23-05 10:32 AM   #88 
     - How does it remove that notion? n/t  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:35 AM   #92 
     - Seems to me, this would only ENCOURAGE an armed response. n/t  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:53 AM   #118 
     - Unfortunately, it also removes the notion  Rose Siding   Jun-23-05 11:08 AM   #134 
     - The Davidians weren't on valuable land...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:17 PM   #180 
  - Maybe those people affected can file a class action suit  Mandate My Ass   Jun-23-05 09:48 AM   #28 
  - If our politicians have any sanity there will be an amendment push...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 09:50 AM   #32 
     - We should start calling NOW.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:38 AM   #98 
        - This is from a freeper...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:52 AM   #117 
        - That is a most excellent idea!  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:58 AM   #125 
        - Agreed.  potone   Jun-23-05 11:34 AM   #149 
           - There may not be if you are looking to buy in an urban neighborhood...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:18 PM   #183 
           - It came to this starting in the 80's, when the leaders of the right  redqueen   Jun-23-05 12:56 PM   #222 
  - I'm in agreement with Rehnquist, Scalia, O'Connor and Thomas here...  IrateCitizen   Jun-23-05 09:49 AM   #29 
  - Why would the "liberal" judges vote Yes on such an Abomination?  KoKo01   Jun-23-05 10:04 AM   #54 
  - Why are DU members surprised?  wild potato   Jun-23-05 02:46 PM   #283 
  - What the Fuck?  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 12:13 PM   #176 
     - Souter and Stevens were appointed by Republicans  IrateCitizen   Jun-23-05 12:35 PM   #202 
        - Weird.  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 12:45 PM   #211 
        - Stevens and Souter are as liberal as anyone on that court  Mitt Chovick   Jun-23-05 01:20 PM   #244 
  - that's funny, because CASTRO thought the same thing, and  ixion   Jun-23-05 09:50 AM   #33 
  - Only conservative justices dissented.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:40 AM   #104 
     - damn...  ixion   Jun-23-05 10:53 AM   #119 
        - Sheesh,  RobinA   Jun-23-05 12:22 PM   #188 
  - Furious!!!!!!  Cicero   Jun-23-05 09:51 AM   #37 
  - There already seems to be universal, bipartisan outrage...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:02 AM   #52 
  - We've been sold out by the very judges we thought we could trust.  SlipperySlope   Jun-23-05 09:53 AM   #39 
  - Ergo, none of them are worthy of our trust. n/t  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 09:57 AM   #47 
  - This needs to be a HUGE issue in the confirmation process of judges  tk2kewl   Jun-23-05 09:54 AM   #40 
  - Exactly wrong for  igil   Jun-23-05 10:15 AM   #69 
     - I stand corrected.  tk2kewl   Jun-23-05 10:26 AM   #81 
  - This decision makes me sick to my stomach  Politicub   Jun-23-05 09:55 AM   #41 
  - Ok you got me  YankeyMCC   Jun-23-05 09:57 AM   #46 
  - Well Hello Wedge Issue! How many home owning bushies think this is ok??  frictionlessO   Jun-23-05 10:01 AM   # 
  - I can't believe I'm in agreement with Scalia, Rehnquist,Thomas  nikraye   Jun-23-05 10:01 AM   #51 
  - My thoughts exactly. My world is..............  Bonhomme Richard   Jun-23-05 10:06 AM   #56 
  - Okay I think my head is officially exploding. WTF is wrong with  rockedthevoteinMA   Jun-23-05 10:11 AM   #63 
  - Word  XemaSab   Jun-23-05 10:28 AM   #84 
  - I am appalled at the liberal judges. What are they THINKING?  gauguin57   Jun-23-05 10:06 AM   #55 
  - makes me ill to say, but i'm with Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas on this one  fryguy   Jun-23-05 10:06 AM   #57 
  - Walmart is getting their money's worth, huh?  bettyellen   Jun-23-05 10:08 AM   #60 
  - "... nor shall private property be taken for public use"...  SnoopDog   Jun-23-05 10:11 AM   #62 
  - LOL here's the loophole:  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:19 AM   #73 
  - I would argue that...  SnoopDog   Jun-23-05 10:28 AM   #85 
  - haven't read the opinion yet  fryguy   Jun-23-05 10:21 AM   #75 
  - I would argue that you cannot expand to a more broader understanding..  SnoopDog   Jun-23-05 10:30 AM   #87 
  - it is a good argument  fryguy   Jun-23-05 10:39 AM   #101 
  - Hey, ya think that means that this ruling can be used to shut down  NCevilDUer   Jun-23-05 10:51 AM   #116 
     - Not unless you can use the land for an enterprise that generates...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:20 PM   #186 
        - How bout removing the wallyworld and replacing it with a  NCevilDUer   Jun-23-05 12:37 PM   #204 
           - How would they generate more tax revenue than a Wallyworld?  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:39 PM   #207 
              - For one thing, wallyworld operates on a basis that protects itself  NCevilDUer   Jun-23-05 01:53 PM   #255 
  - For the sake of accuracy  drm604   Jun-23-05 10:36 AM   #94 
     - No, I know of the 'without just compensation" part...  SnoopDog   Jun-23-05 10:48 AM   #113 
        - interesting thought  fryguy   Jun-23-05 10:58 AM   #122 
        - I like your just compensation idea!  drm604   Jun-23-05 11:37 AM   #152 
  - Hell getting cold: I agree with the "conservative" wing of the court  RatRacer   Jun-23-05 10:12 AM   #67 
  - OMG, that is simply wrong on so many levels.  bunny planet   Jun-23-05 10:17 AM   #71 
  - Court decision on taking of homes  LibertyLover   Jun-23-05 10:20 AM   #74 
  - Looks like we agree with the Freepers  bluestateguy   Jun-23-05 10:23 AM   #79 
  - While I proudly support, O'Conner, Renquist, Scalia, Thomas...  AX10   Jun-23-05 10:21 AM   #76 
  - The worst part of this...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:22 AM   #77 
  - I just got sicker.  flvegan   Jun-23-05 10:27 AM   #83 
     - Yeah, living in the reality-based community...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 10:32 AM   #89 
  - So now corporations enjoy eminent domain... nt  NCevilDUer   Jun-23-05 10:34 AM   #91 
  - This totally sucks! The Constitution says "public use" not "public good"!  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 10:41 AM   #105 
  - Loophole alert!  kgfnally   Jun-23-05 10:57 AM   #121 
     - The Constitution limits government power.  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 11:44 AM   #158 
        - So Here's What I'm Wondering  RobinA   Jun-23-05 12:31 PM   #197 
           - Politicians should worry when DU and Freepers agree so strongly on this.  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 12:42 PM   #209 
              - They'll only worry if we make enough noise.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:09 PM   #236 
  - No-win situation for the left  zbdent   Jun-23-05 10:43 AM   #108 
  - And create deceptive issues  PATRICK   Jun-23-05 10:58 AM   #124 
  - Who gives a $#*@?  redqueen   Jun-23-05 11:03 AM   #130 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-23-05 10:44 AM   #109 
  - Start calling your senators and reps NOW!  redqueen   Jun-23-05 10:48 AM   #112 
  - This is going to big abused like nothing else  Lorien   Jun-23-05 10:48 AM   #114 
  - It doesn't just affect private homeowners. Small businesses  Patiod   Jun-23-05 10:53 AM   #120 
  - These are the situations that worry me.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 11:01 AM   #127 
     - So who do you appeal to?  Frangible   Jun-23-05 11:21 AM   #145 
        - Congress.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 11:39 AM   #154 
        - the city council and/or mayor, its a local issue not a federal one  NNguyenMD   Jun-23-05 12:16 PM   #179 
           - And it CERTAINLY isn't hard to corrupt a local official...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:25 PM   #191 
           - No, the SCOTUS just made it a federal issue.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:01 PM   #225 
  - Geez...  smb   Jun-23-05 10:58 AM   #126 
  - OMG! I was hoping this wouldn't pass!  progressivebydesign   Jun-23-05 11:02 AM   #129 
  - What the FUCK???  Frangible   Jun-23-05 11:14 AM   #136 
  - Here in Sugar Land, the City's giving property away at half-price  elehhhhna   Jun-23-05 11:16 AM   #140 
  - I almost always agree with Stevens and the liberal bloc but not  usregimechange   Jun-23-05 11:17 AM   #141 
  - How they gonna reconcile the major tax-breaks to these businesses  elehhhhna   Jun-23-05 11:18 AM   #143 
  - Shocking: Government Power to Take Property Backed by Top Court  Prag   Jun-23-05 11:31 AM   #147 
  - This crap will continue to escalate until we collectively make a stand  JRob   Jun-23-05 11:34 AM   #150 
  - I can't fucking believe this one......  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 11:34 AM   #151 
  - In a totalitarian state they have both sides attacking the middle  nolabels   Jun-23-05 02:08 PM   #263 
  - Now That I've Read the Full NYT Article ...  Crisco   Jun-23-05 11:40 AM   #156 
  - my thoughts exactly, its the city thats accountable not SCOTUS  NNguyenMD   Jun-23-05 12:15 PM   #178 
  - The problem with leaving it in town hands...  NewJeffCT   Jun-23-05 12:21 PM   #187 
  - sickening  cthrumatrix   Jun-23-05 12:17 PM   #181 
  - The SCOTUS should have upheld the 5th amendment...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:23 PM   #189 
     - well, they've already trashed most of the other Amendments...  NorthernSpy   Jun-23-05 12:59 PM   #224 
  - big business wins another one  pazarus   Jun-23-05 11:45 AM   #160 
  - Is there a compensation clause in the ruling?  ckramer   Jun-23-05 11:45 AM   #161 
  - oh--and I hope the supporters homes are seized first  pazarus   Jun-23-05 11:49 AM   #163 
  - Maybe we can start by seizing the property of the 5 justices...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:24 PM   #190 
  - Chalk me up as another person outraged by this  ridgerunner   Jun-23-05 11:50 AM   #164 
  - Folks  are_we_united_yet   Jun-23-05 11:50 AM   #165 
  - Be careful how the SCOTUS decision is interpreted....  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:04 PM   #171 
  - So basically they gave local municipalities carte blanche...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:08 PM   #173 
  - I wasn't trying to make you feel relieved...  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:29 PM   #195 
     - We have rights under the Constitution...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:36 PM   #203 
     - Here is the text of the Fifth Amendment,  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:45 PM   #210 
        - So that gave them the right to declare increased tax revenue from...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:48 PM   #212 
           - You are right in that the local government decides  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:55 PM   #221 
              - Where in the 5th amendment does it say that local governments...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 12:58 PM   #223 
                 - It doesn't  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 01:04 PM   #227 
                    - @$#%!#%^#@$  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 01:07 PM   #232 
     - WTF?  smb   Jun-23-05 12:49 PM   #215 
        - It's not about life support issues...  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 01:02 PM   #226 
        - I love how these corporate whore "journalists" tell us what we should do.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:07 PM   #231 
  - Well said but I don't think this nuance buys land owners anything  are_we_united_yet   Jun-23-05 12:20 PM   #185 
  - Of course, you're right in that  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:39 PM   #206 
  - If they won't define "public use", who will? n/t  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:05 PM   #229 
  - what does this line mean?  NNguyenMD   Jun-23-05 12:10 PM   #174 
  - You are exactly, 100% correct....  McSpazitron   Jun-23-05 12:48 PM   #214 
  - Stevens Is An Idiot  smb   Jun-23-05 12:52 PM   #217 
     - Thank you.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:11 PM   #239 
  - no wonder the government jails armed robbers...  NorthernSpy   Jun-23-05 12:18 PM   #182 
  - I think we've FINALLY found an issue  hughee99   Jun-23-05 12:28 PM   #194 
  - Means the Trans-Texas Corridor can be built where ever TX wants it  rainbow4321   Jun-23-05 12:32 PM   #198 
  - I think we need a Revolution. n/t  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 12:32 PM   #199 
  - AAARGH! This was a fucking slam dunk for the homeowners  0rganism   Jun-23-05 12:33 PM   #200 
  - This is outrageous.  cat_girl25   Jun-23-05 12:37 PM   #205 
  - Liberals voted for this! This scares me...  SeekerofTruth   Jun-23-05 12:48 PM   #213 
  - Oh, Great....  smb   Jun-23-05 12:54 PM   #219 
  - Even freepers are outraged, this is truly a Corporatist Kleptocracy  theearthisround   Jun-23-05 12:54 PM   #218 
  - Some Freepers have gone beyond outrage...  youspeakmylanguage   Jun-23-05 01:04 PM   #228 
  - I do wonder...  NorthernSpy   Jun-23-05 01:11 PM   #238 
  - It is not often I have common ground with Freepers n/t  are_we_united_yet   Jun-23-05 02:02 PM   #261 
  - Totally sucks  LilBitRad   Jun-23-05 01:07 PM   #230 
  - Renters are not immune to this ruling either.  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 01:07 PM   #233 
  - let's have a "top ten corrupt Supreme court decisions" T-shirt  Robert Oak   Jun-23-05 01:09 PM   #235 
  - as a matter of principle, not a bad ruling  onenote   Jun-23-05 01:10 PM   #237 
  - That's a very positive outlook.  redqueen   Jun-23-05 01:14 PM   # 
  - I'm glad you have faith,  LilBitRad   Jun-23-05 01:14 PM   #241 
  - Oh be fucking serious.  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 01:55 PM   #256 
     - what if the facts of the case were this:  onenote   Jun-23-05 02:01 PM   #259 
        - Government should lose that one just as it should have lost this one.  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 02:18 PM   #266 
        - By what I see,  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 03:08 PM   #293 
  - We lose our freedom to people who answer to no one.  DuaneBidoux   Jun-23-05 01:44 PM   #250 
  - has NOBODY here heard of eminent domain?  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 01:52 PM   #252 
  - I view it as Big Business giving notice they intend ..  are_we_united_yet   Jun-23-05 01:58 PM   #258 
  - it's always been ominous.  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:03 PM   #262 
     - "meaningful and useful"  LiberteToujours   Jun-23-05 02:14 PM   #264 
     - i can say this though...  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:25 PM   #272 
        - uhh... houses are useful.. to live in.  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:34 PM   #277 
     - I agree with you only in part. My prediction is we're likely  are_we_united_yet   Jun-23-05 02:22 PM   #270 
     - Heh. Try living in Southern California. n/t  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 03:14 PM   #294 
  - Read the frickin' Constitution!  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 02:20 PM   #268 
     - why don't you read the constitution...  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:28 PM   #273 
     - You're kidding, right?  GodlessBiker   Jun-23-05 02:32 PM   #274 
     - not that i disagree with you...  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:39 PM   #279 
        - .. or a putt putt golf course.. or an oil drill  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:44 PM   #282 
           - But in the 19th century  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:48 PM   # 
              - I would say that...  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:53 PM   #288 
                 - I agree with you.  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:57 PM   #290 
     - whoa... you really trust the government...  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:39 PM   #278 
        - i don't really trust the government anymore.  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:41 PM   #281 
           - That provision _already existed_  LiberteToujours   Jun-23-05 02:46 PM   #284 
              - You're probably right.  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 02:51 PM   #286 
     - Read which Constitution?  wild potato   Jun-23-05 02:54 PM   #289 
        - So let me get this straight...  PittPoliSci   Jun-23-05 03:00 PM   #291 
           - Either it's living or it isn't  wild potato   Jun-23-05 03:22 PM   #296 
  - This map shows where "PoleTown" used to be before GM forced them out:  Peake   Jun-23-05 01:53 PM   #254 
  - sad.. shows that this has been happening...  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:48 PM   #285 
  - Bow down to the Great God Capitalism  Old sixties guy   Jun-23-05 02:16 PM   #265 
  - You tell 'em, Old sixties guy!  KevinJ   Jun-23-05 02:34 PM   #276 
  - Damn right, old sixties guy  starscape   Jun-23-05 02:40 PM   #280 
  - Amen Brutha!  Megahurtz   Jun-23-05 03:22 PM   #297 
  - Even self-proclaimed "conservatives" are unhappy about this.  HuckleB   Jun-23-05 02:33 PM   #275 
  - Traditionally, this would probably be a conservative issue..  starscape   Jun-23-05 03:08 PM   #292 
  - Thread #2  Moderator   Jun-23-05 03:22 PM   #298 
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:36 AM
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1. ...and the Corporation reigned, supreme over all. n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:38 AM
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99. Yeah, but here's the sick kicker -
who voted in favor? The "good guys". Who dissented? O'Connor, Rehnquist, Thomas and Scalia.

Never thought I'd find myself in agreement with that group.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:39 AM
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102. It only proves one thing.
We CANNOT trust this SCOTUS for anything. A-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:38 AM
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153. Why does anyone think it's anything but a show?

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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:08 PM
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234. What do you mean by that?
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:33 PM
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247. It seems to me that there is all this noise being generated on both...
sides of the isle, yet when you look at the direction in which we continue to move as a nation it's seems to almost alway be advantage big business/big money.

Dem's talk, yet continue to allow, even vote for pro business bills, judges etc. Presumed liberal leaning judges supporting business over civil concerns...

By "show" I insinuate that the powers-that-be show us what we want to see (or attempt to sustain hope) while they pick away at our rights, freedoms, access to the American Dream etc.

An important thing to remember is that these people are not subject to the same realities of ordinary citizens. Separate pensions (6 figures), premium health and other benefits (to which we do not have access) and in some ways they are even beyond the law etc.

Their "Us" is not us...

Maybe "Political Theater" is a better representation. Distraction.

I guess I look more at what happens, what those happening translate into verses the "show" leading up to a given happening.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 03:21 PM
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295. Rob, that seems to be the truth doesnt it?
That its all just a show from Washington, at least with most of the lawmakers. I don't call them leaders for a reason. So few of them really are.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:44 AM
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159. Yep, and I'm afraid progressives will pay a severe price for this
Right now, there's nothing more important to the future of the country than removing the Repug stranglehold on Congress in 2006. I'm seriously afraid this horrible "activist judge" decision could undermine any hope for that.

Unless...

Is it too much to hope that Democrats will jump on this and introduce legislation -- a Constitutional amendment, if necessary -- to protect homes from greedy corporations? It would put the Repugs between a rock and a hard place: their "conservative base" and the corporate greedheads who really run the party.

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losdiablosgato Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:58 AM
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168. We can only hope.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:51 PM
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216. Hope? Afraid that's gone when the real Democrats dissappeared.

Look at ehe date. The Democratic party has not even made any plans for the mid terms. There is no agenda. I say this a a Dem since JFK, but there is really no alternative. Under the Corporate States of 'Murka a third party is impossible, so we are left but with a single party: the Corporate party.

Let me make a prediction: It is becoming more and more apparent that the real estate bubble will burst before long, we are even seeing it being written about in that conswervative rag the Orlando Slantinel. This will put masses of people into huge debt, and when the economy results in more job losses, and more salary downsizing, we'll see homelessness to rival Germany after the big war.

Add to that the physicly and emotionally wounded returning from war and the families of the dead and wounded. And remember that Americans are the most armed nation on earth.

Who will they blame? I think the corporations. I think that we may see a time when being a member of management of a corporation will be to wear a target on your back. We may even see CEOs dangling from lamposts. Oh, what fun! We could decorate them like Christmas ornaments.

And if it starts here, I think it will spread to europe. It's started in South America already. We may just see the end of the capitalist stranglehold on the world. And I for one, am ready.

As you said, "We can only hope".
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:38 PM
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248. Great idea!
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losdiablosgato Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:57 AM
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167. You want sadder, the freepers agree with us,this is a bad decision.
Well I guess I no longer own my house, I rent it from the government.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:16 PM
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242. Its not sad that they agree, its good. Its more likely this terrible ruling
can be corrected though legislation if vast majority wants this addressed.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:42 PM
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249. You got that right!!!!! I couldn't believe my ears when I heard Stevens
the writer of the majority opinion and O'Conner saying "this is going to help wealthy developers get wealthier."

You know...I've been thinking. In a way, a bought off liberal is more dangerous than a true conservative. True conservatives would always be reluctant to give government the power to seize land.

The real problem here however is that this is just the continued shrinkage of the public sector as everything becomes private. When a city wanted to improve their city before they had to look out for everyone's interest and show a prevailing public good would come from seizure; now the right developer can pay them off and you've got it: seized property!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:53 PM
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253. O'Connor dissented
I cannot believe this is happening. We are officially a totalitarian state.
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 02:18 PM
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267. I know, I'm shocked as well to be in agreement with that bunch! n/t
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 AM
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2. wow, just like China now...
pretty soon, we'll all be in sweatshops, OSHA will be disbanded, minimum wage will be 0, etc.

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 AM
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3. "Freedom is on the March" coming to a town near you n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 02:01 PM
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260. Yeah, before we know it, freedom will be marching to Canada
...or Europe, or New Zealand!!

Will they have us, ya gotta wonder??? We're part of an insane, reviled nation now...and you know how guilt by association works....
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:37 AM
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4. F**K!
Oh my GOD! I'm speechless. Farewell, my America.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:41 AM
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12. I waved goodbye to America on Nov. 4, 2004
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:45 AM
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20. just another signal from those that brought you *Co on 12/12/00
:cry:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:14 AM
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138. Liberals on the wrong side on this one
imo
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:48 AM
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27. How about December 12, 2000.
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:24 AM by Straight Shooter
I'm sure this will be welcomed with great applause and celebration at Free Republic. *snort*


edit typo date
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Abathar Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:51 AM
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166. Freepers are pissed too
Just jumped over to see what they had to say, I can't believe it but they are even more pissed than we are I think.
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:14 PM
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240. Why don't you believe it?
They are big on property rights. Remember how in love they are with Janice Rogers Brown, who holds property rights as equal or above all others.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:56 PM
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257. Those who give all to the concept of US Gov. will backlash the strongest.
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:41 AM
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157. THE BUCK STAYS HERE! In my wallet...
STOP GIVING CORPS THE MONEY TO FINANCE THEIR TAKEOVER OF AMERICA AND THE WORLD!!!!!

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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:48 PM
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251. What are you even talking about?
It's called "eminent domain" and it's in the constitution. It's not like people who have had their home or business taken away aren't being compensated. It's been going on since the start of this country.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 02:52 PM
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287. But the compensation does NOT have to be at market value
and frankly rarely is.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:38 AM
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5. Your house? Not your house anymore.
Property? It's all the governments. We are all nothing but renters now, subject to eviction at a corporations whim, once it convinces the government that it's development is for the "public good."
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:41 AM
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107. I'll bet that even if they take your house....
You still are responsible for paying the mortgage. And don't try to get out of it by declaring bankruptcy thanks to the new laws.

Welcome to the United States of American Express!

Maybe we can bring back indentured servitude and debtors prison too.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:19 AM
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144. The Homeowner Is Compensated
snip:
Under the ruling, residents still will be entitled to "just compensation" for their homes as provided under the Fifth Amendment. However, Kelo and the other homeowners had refused to move at any price, calling it an unjustified taking of their property.
end snip

However, what is "just compensation"? My guess would be appraised value (as in for tax purposes) which is usually well below market value. Furthermore, the land would then be resold at a much higher price.

The people hit the hardest will be those in slighly run down inner-city neighborhoods. When their property is seized to put up high end (more expensive) homes, these people won't be able to afford a new home at current housing prices. Or, if they are renting they won't be able to find a new apartment for the same price. Also, many of them may not have cars (either because they can't afford or don't drive) and live where they do because of public transportation.

This is bad news. I bet ACORN will be all over it.


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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:39 AM
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6. Bye bye American Dream! If you've got it and a rich bastard wants it...
too fuking bad for you.

So tell me again about troops fighting for 'our freedom'. All I see is they sent the troops outta town, and the Guard too, so they cold strip s of everything.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 AM
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15. Yeah. Pointless to buy a home now.
I probably won't until this ruling gets reversed by anoth.... oh, wait.

This is a sick decision!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:51 AM
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38. Yeah, bye bye housing bubble too!
Guess the banks and mortgage lenders didn't come across with as much $$ as the hotel and shopping mall builders did!

Think of the old folks who worked, sacrificed and paid off their homes so they could have some security! Now they can be forced to be renters/consumers again at a time they cannot afford the new market prices.

When b*sh talks about 'ownership society' he doesn't mean the citizens! He is talking about his real base, the ones he calls "The Haves and the Have Mores". No more rights for the people!
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losdiablosgato Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:11 PM
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175. The liberals on the court are the ones who ruled for this
The RW are in the decent.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:41 PM
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208. there are no liberals on SCOTUS
they are ALL neocon stooges.

Maybe they have all been injected and only Rove has the antidote?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:55 PM
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220. What "liberal"? This ruling shows there are none.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:36 AM
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95. Yup -- that's how Dubya and his pals got the land for the stadium for
their baseball team down in Texas; the local gov't confiscated it from the owners, paid them about HALF of market value, and gave it to Dubya and pals.

The owners sued -- and ended up with more money; they got close to market value eventually (before lawyer's fees, tho). But -- Dubya got his taxpayer-subsidized stadium and the property owners got moved.

That's the Bu$h Rethugnican way; if they want it, they use the gov't to take it. Just like they used the U.S. Army to take over Iraq so they could get the oil.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:49 AM
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115. If I'm not mistaken, they declared many properties "condemned"
which really shouldn't have been, in order to get that thing built.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:39 AM
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7. True conservatives should be outraged
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 09:39 AM by bluestateguy
Nothing more than corporate welfare.

This is not government seizure to build a public park, highway, govt. office, city dump or a police station. This is an affront to what the framers of the Constitution had in mind.

CNN reported that Rehnquist sided with the property owners over New London.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:07 AM
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59. Yah the conservative judges sided with O'Connor (against this)
She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
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Hun Joro Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:40 AM
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103. Yeah, I didn't understand that... n/t
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losdiablosgato Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:35 PM
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201. Over in freperville they are as mad at this as we are
Yes we and the RW are in agreement, I do believe hell is ordering longjohns and woolins as we speak.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:39 AM
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8. And the Wal-Mart shopping freeptards CHEERED!
"here, take my home, lord president walton.. just keep selling me those chinese made american flags for 2 cents each!"
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:00 AM
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49. Actually, you're wrong...
...the freepers are PISSED about this.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:07 AM
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58. Freeptards sell their home to the chinese run Wal-marts
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:08 AM by bushisanidiot
by shopping there... they think it's their patriotic duty. now that the govt. is snatching up their homes, do you think they'll even notice who is doing it to them?? uh.. no. they're too blindly loyal to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh who insist that Wal-mart is good so all good loyal american freeptards will cheer, as instructed, when their homes are confiscated to make way for new Wal-mart stores.

so no.. i'm not wrong. freeptards are indeed THAT STUPID.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:11 AM
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64. Whatever...
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:22 AM by youspeakmylanguage
...if your home is snatched away by a government, any government, you're not going to be happy about it regardless of your political affiliation.

You're letting your hatred of the right get in the way of common sense.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:16 AM
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139. Cl;arence Thomas and Antonin Scalia tried
...but they were in the minority here. O'Connor scathing in dissent.
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pazarus Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:33 AM
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148. yeah they are
and they're ready to shoot judges over it. This is a ruling in favor of big business and government's role in helping big business.

I think it's an awful ruling with terrible implications... but then, so does everybody who has a breath of individualism left in them.

Maybe this can be the beginning of the end to the unholy alliance of conservatives and big business. Maybe they will eventually see that they don't share common goals with big business when they lose their jobs overseas and lose their homes to a shopping mall.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:45 AM
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111. "Lord President Walton"
:rofl:

Sam Walton is one reason I can think of as to why we need to keep Roe vs. Wade intact.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 AM
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9. Rec for greatest. This means we have no property rights anymore.
Would your farm make a nice Walmart location? Sell it NOW.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:42 AM
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14. Isn't this what we were criticizing Chavez for?
How can we criticize even Mugabe? Welcome to the corporate state.

Remember Chimpy's first big political test was getting eminent domain to take over farms to build a new stadium for the TeXXXas Rangers?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:49 AM
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30. China does it all the time
We were in Nanjing, China last September and across one long street, there were red banners stretched across the street in the air from one side to another. Every building had the same red sign - I thought it was one of those "Come to the 38th annual Nanjing Salted Duck Festival" or some similar festival, as it reminded of those signs we see in small town America.

So, I asked my wife, who speaks, reads & writes the language, what the signs says, and she basically said that the sign is telling people to leave now because the government is going to take this area and build office towers in the near future.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:27 AM
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82. Chavez takes land and builds shopping malls?
Somehow I don't think you've got that right, my friend.

I think he takes land and gives it to poor people... really not even close to the same thing.

Eminent domain was already legal for public use... this just approves it for private development. And surprise surprise... it was NOT the more liberal justices who sided with the corporations.

I'm disgusted with the justices who agreed with this decision.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:44 AM
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110. no....in fact, just the opposite...
redistributing UNUSED and IDLE land held by corporations and the rich, often on dirty titles (read stolen) is not the same.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 AM
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10. Can we seize Texas & sell it to Costco?
at least they're a blue corporation.
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youspeakmylanguage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:40 AM
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11. This from the "liberal" SCOTUS...
I'm getting sick to my stomach.
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