Texas governor suggests gay veterans should leave state

[LiviaOlivia]

Texas governor suggests gay veterans should leave state
Gay groups demand Perry apologize
By STEVE KOVAL
Jun 8, 2005
Washington Blade


Texas Gov. Rick Perry suggested that gay veterans unhappy with the proposed anti-gay constitutional amendment should move elsewhere.

"I'm going to say Texas has made a decision on marriage and if there's a state with more lenient views than Texas, then maybe that's where they should live," the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported Perry said Sunday.

Perry's comments were in response to a question during a news conference about what he would tell gay war veterans returning from Iraq.

Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group for gays in the military, today joined calls by the Lesbian & Gay Rights Lobby of Texas for Perry to apologize.

~snip~

http://www.washblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=1006

[Shoeempress]

1. Do not hold your breath waiting for that apology.

[MoonGod]

54. Nope. Perry would probably just move gays into a ghetto, if he could...

"...(Perry) tried all kind of methods to make the (gays) leave (Texas). First they were humiliated. If you looked (gay) the (right wingers) on the streets would call you names. (Gays) were forbidden to go to certain places...

"We were told not to buy in (gay) shops. But most people didn't care and bought anyway.... So the (right wing) thought of a more drastic measure. One day they smashed the windows and looted the (gay) stores. In (Austin) it was certainly not the deed of the people but was done by the (GOP) (a (right wing) organization) on a party order..."

http://www.von-waldenburg.com/excerpts/excerpt2.html

[AuntiBush]

110. Isn't it Odd...

We, the "left liberals" are called "extremists," and stereotyped as "radicals," and "violent" as demonstrators, when in factual reality it's the other McVeigh-Mentality of the other side.

All in the name of poor Jesus. They make me sick. Sincerely sick!

Reminds one of the poor young Gay guy, strapped to that fence till he died; that was after they beat him to death.

Where was that at? Texas, maybe? I know it was out west somewhere. I no longer see it in reruns in A&E as they once did. Broke my heart.

[fortyfeetunder]

118. You are talking about Matthew Sheppard

That poor young man. I was so incensed at the brutality levied on that innocent person.

:wtf: is wrong with Perry?

[AuntiBush]

150. Same here. Sad... Heartwrenching! It broke my heart!

Was just posting to another that you never hear about that story anymore. And the stations "use" to replay it from time to time but I guess now it would be "TABOO!"

FAUS-FRISTIANS, they are!

[fortyfeetunder]

151. I think we will be fighting for gay rights for years....

I know some Blacks will disagree with me but the battle to give gays civil rights will be the fight for years to come. This is a civil rights issue. This is not going to go away quietly.

[geniph]

142. That was in Laramie, Wyoming

and you're referring to the Laramie Project, I think. There's freaks in every state. :-(

[AuntiBush]

149. That was a horrible, horrific crime! It broke my heart.

And you never see it aired anymore. Sadly...

[ananda]

2. Lord a mercy..

Sometimes I'm just so ashamed to be Texan.

Rick Perry does not represent me!

Sue

[tammywammy]

7. I second your statements

He doesn't represent me either, I can't wait to vote against him (again).

Edited to add, both of my parents are Republican, and they can't wait to get rid of Perry.

[bookman]

23. Ashamed too

But that makes more like Natalie Maines than Rick Perry. Thank god.

Please DU'ers: know there are many non-shitheads here in Texas.

[CBHagman]

94. Thank you for reassuring us.

But please do us a favor and show all the vile, disgusting, corrupt pols who infest public office in Texas THE DOOR. I know you're trying, but still...

Pretty please?

[Skittles]

47. NOW HEAR THIS: NOT EVERYONE IN TEXAS THINKS THIS BACKWARD

LOTS OF 'EM DO BUT NOT ALL OF US DAMMIT

[geniph]

143. I know that, Susan. Molly Ivins is a Texan!

and Ms. Molly is my hero! Well, alongside a' you, of course.

[jobycom]

3. Sadly, that may rap up reelection for him

This is definitely one of those "if you ain't like us, you can move to Russia" kind of places. Ron Kirk was leading in the polls for US Senate here in 2002 going into the final days, and the Republicans launched a phone campaign claiming he was for gay rights. He got so trounced in the regions where they ran the scam that he lost statewide. (Although I'm still convinced there was more fraud in that election than in Florida in 2000.)

[Supersedeas]

43. Kay Hutch ain't got nothing on Perry Gay Bashing...NOTHING

[jobycom]

60. The one thing Kay Bailey has that may help her

is stupidity. For all of Perry's bluster, he's a pretty bright guy. That makes Texans and Republicans uncomfortable with him. They much prefer the stupidity of Bush. That's where Kay Bailey really has a chance.

[okieinpain]

96. funny, I was watching the dead zone and their current theme is

tampered electronic voting machines.

[MrTriumph]

103. Beg to differ

You might flame me, but I do not recall Kirk being ahead. And even if a poll showed him ahead in the Senate race in the election's final days, the size of his loss would lead me to believe the poll was not accurate. Point: It wasn't even close.

Kirk was a friend to big business types as Mayor of Dallas and did not inspire Democrats much more than the DINO running for Gov. on the same ballot. It was another example of our state party leadership's failed policy of seeking Rep. lite candidates.

[Bridget Burke]

136. A conservative I know voted for Kirk

He's an old-style conservative, not one of the neocons. Kirk was moderate & well liked.

Electronic voting debuted in Texas in 2002. First areas converted: Harris County (Houston) & Austin. Two of the most liberal areas in the state.

[mbperrin]

4. Perry...........

if there ever was a governor who's just plain STUPID, it is he. Could say more, but beating a dead horse....

Oh, well, ...Perry, why the fuck don't YOU leave the state!!!??

NOW!!!

[dad]

58. Stupider than Dubya? Really?

He was your governor, too! Oh Lord, Texans, what is in store for us in '08?

[jobycom]

62. Nah, Perry's actually very bright

He's just trying to hide it because Texas Republicans don't like bright candidates. All this religious bluster is just an act for Perry. He's just pandering to his constituency, because he made a few blunders early on, and is trying to make people forget about him.

Our one chance in Texas is that people really aren't as dumb as the Republicans want them to be, and just maybe they'll push the whole stupidity thing too far. They did that in 90 when they ran a cowboy against Ann Richards, and it backfired and got her elected. There's an outside chance it could happen that way again.

But Perry's not dumb. He's just an ass.

[tavalon]

81. And he has a thing for pretty boys

so he needs to work extra hard to make sure the fundies think he's against gays.

I wonder what those fundies would think if they knew that Governor Goodhair had committed adultery against his wife and it wasn't with another woman? I know his wife was pretty damn pissed.

[jobycom]

93. Well, I haven't heard that rumor substantiated, but I think you are on to

something.

First, about the rumor. It started a while back when there was a rumor in the media that an attractive governor was about to be outed, and that he was battling his wife over a divorce. The rumor never named Perry, but a lot of people jumped on the "Perry is gay" bandwagon. Not long afterwards, the New Jersey governor admitted he was gay, so a lot of people assumed the rumors were about him.

Perry's Leuitanent Governor, David Dewhurst, has long been rumored to be gay, and I've met people that work around him who can even name a man in Houston he's been with a long time--who knows if they are right, but they are convinced. So it's possible the rumor was never about Perry, but that wishful thinking and confused identity made it about him.

Either way, the rumor made the rounds, and people now think of Perry that way, so I think you are right, he is trying extra hard to be anti-gay, and it has something to do with the rumor. It also has to do with shrewd, though disgusting, politics. The Republicans here in the last few years have switched from smearing Dems with abortion to smearing them with gay rights. Perry can now say he stood up for morals in this state, and any Democratic opponent has to either say "But you were wrong," in which case he gets labeled as a "gay lover," or he has to go along with Perry's actions, in which case he angers Dems.

So Perry kills a lot of birds with this one stone, and he makes it very hard for a Democrat to campaign against him. If he had signed this bill quietly, it might not become an issue, so he has done it in a way that everyone will remember, so they will talk about it during the election.

As I said, he's a smart man, and extremely crafty at politics. Ask Jim Hightower, who underestimated him and lost.

[mbperrin]

70. Well, since I have never voted for a Republican of any sort

for any office since I began voting in 1970, I prefer to think of neither of them as MY governor, but I understand what you're saying.

Reiterate: Perry attended my old alma mater, and he is dumb as bricks, homework done by others while he tended to yell practice. Other signs of dumbness: he actually feels entitled to treat others like shit, due to his superior upbringing and heartrending middle-class to upper-middle class economic journey (rags to riches would be stretching it a bit, ya?)

See how smart you think this is: The public schools of Texas will cease to operate October 1 without a satisfactory school finance plan, which the Lege did not pass, and now Perry, the only person on earth who can call a special session, won't do it, saying he prefers the courts to handle it. There won't be a bit of resentment when millions of kids and hundreds of thousands of teachers and staff have no place to go October 1, and no paychecks, either, right?

[ruggerson]

5. What's the phone number to the Governor's office?

I think they might like to hear from some of us

[mbperrin]

15. Here ya go..

Contact the Governor by Mail or Telephone
Telephone

* Citizen's Assistance Hotline: [phone]

* Citizen's Opinion Hotline: [phone]

* Citizen's Assistance and Opinion Hotline: [phone]

* Office of the Governor Main Switchboard: [phone]

* Citizen's Assistance Telecommunications Device
If you are using a telecommunication device for the deaf (TDD), call 711 to reach Relay Texas

Fax

* Office of the Governor Fax: [phone]

Mailing Address

Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, Texas 78711-2428
Delivery Address

Office of the Governor
State Insurance Building
1100 San Jacinto
Austin, Texas 78701
Accessibility | Site Policies | TexasOnline | TRAIL Search | About This Site

Governor's Information and Referral: 1-800-843-5789 | Citizen's Opinion Hotline: [phone]
Office of the Governor, P.O. Box 12428, Austin, Texas 78711, Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]

[Supersedeas]

95. Veterans for Civil Rights....the Governor wants to hear from ya

[realisticphish]

6. "and, uh, while you're at it..."

"it'd be nice if the black veterans didn't come back here, either"

[VegasWolf]

8. Yeah, or Asian, or educated, or atheistic, or articulate, or ... n/t

[Chauga]

9. More on Perry's comments from yesterday's Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Perry also ceremonially endorsed the already passed resolution calling a November election on a definition-of-marriage constitutional amendment. Preaching from behind the official seal of the governor of Texas, Parsley said gay Americans cause 60 percent of syphilis cases and live barely half as long as heterosexual Americans. He argued against "sacrificing our children on the altar of the sexual lust of a few."

Later in the school library, Perry was asked in a news conference how he would tell Texas gay and lesbian war veterans that they can't come home from war in Iraq and get married. Perry said if they don't like Texas law, they can just leave.

"I'm going to say Texas has made a decision on marriage," he said, "and if there's a state with more lenient views than Texas, then maybe that's where they should live."

In other words, Texas now welcomes politicking TV preachers from Ohio, but not our own native sons and daughters who might want to live lawfully in commitment with legal recognition.

What's next? The Rick Perry Prayer Cloth?



http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/columnists/bud_kennedy/11834144.htm

[Dr Fate]

10. Is this guy a vet himself or what???

???

[mbperrin]

17. Here ya go...

http://www.governor.state.tx.us/about
Texas’ 47th governor, and the first Texas A&M graduate to occupy the Texas Governor’s Mansion, Rick Perry has led a life of public service, serving four and a half years in the United States Air Force, and nearly two decades in elected office as a state representative, commissioner of agriculture, lieutenant governor and now governor.

[AspenRose]

98. There is a saying at Texas A&M....

"Highway 6 runs both ways." That was usually said to anyone who was complaining about how things were on campus (like I did).

Meaning: If you don't like it here, leave.

Nice to see he's taken that mentality with him to Austin. *sigh* :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

123. He served in the Air Farce?

Active or did he serve in the TANG with Bush?

[Betty]

48. Is this guy gay or what?

I think I have read that he's a huge closet case.

[tavalon]

83. Correct

His little infidelity with a fella who was working under him (I guess literally and figuratively) was quickly covered up but we remember.

[tavalon]

82. Better question

Is this guy gay or what?

[AlCzervik]

11. Wow what a christian thing to say!

remember Texans if you're not a firebreathing republican he's not looking out for you.

[Bob3]

12. Doesn't he remember the line in full metal jacket?

"The only things from Texas are steers and queers"
The place will be a ghost town.

So what next those annoying black people? Yeesh.

Why don't just give Texas back to Mexico let them deal with these knuckle daggers.

[DBoon]

14. Mexico would refuse to take it back

too much trouble for them

[americanstranger]

13. Weren't there rumors about this guy a few years ago?

That his wife was leaving him?

If any gay Texans, vet or no, know anything about it, it may be time to out this son of a bitch.

-as

[TomInTib]

28. Everyone in Austin

Entertainment/Restaurant biz knows ol' Rick is heavily closeted. You are right- his wife left the Mansion when she caught him en flagrante with an aide. I remember the major dailies in TX reporting on this, names and everything and then poof! it went away.

[anitar1]

33. I knew old Rick's name was familiar,

I read about that. Thanks for jogging my memory.

[fortyfeetunder]

119. Then y'all need to bring it back out of the closet

Take an example from the folks in Spokane WA. Their mayor (another Pug) had been vocally anti gay, until his dalliances with the boys started coming out of the closet. He's been battling this ever since. Put the heat on Perry!!!

[Roland99]

16. Can I take back my criticism of Dean now?

Fucking BULLSHIT!

[atreides1]

18. So???

How long before the Republicans start to distance themselves from Perry??

I'm being sarcastic of course.

[HereSince1628]

19. I hope that it turns out differently but...

because the right wing bigots are really enjoying this so much I expect to see all people of color and everyone who doesn't have a drawl to be the object of ridicule and abuse.

The bigotry heard in the rising volume of the worst of the America voice seems to echo that "The Birth of a Nation." It seems the sequel is being written as Born Again Nation.

[AuntiBush]

20. WTF has happened to our country!?! I gotta ask!

:wtf:

Unreal. Everyday it's just un-fricked-real.

They're trying to run is into the ground... what am I saying, they already have.

Well, they're welcomed in my state anytime, last time I checked. Who knows in the BFEE Family Crime of America.

[Karenina]

25. *GHWB.

[AuntiBush]

109. Riveting. Super-Riveting - Wow! Pict tells it all, BIG-TIME!

Shew...

[RPM]

21. Fuck him and Fuck Texas

Well - ok - jsut the part of texas that thinks like this asshat.

[TexasLawyer]

30. Thanks for that last clause

to your blanket damnation of Texas. There are lots of Perry-style asshats here, but there are also LOTS of progressives too. Really! Think Molly Ivins!

[RPM]

31. that's why the added clause...

.. i forgot to do that after hearing about perry's bill signing in church. - and i caught hell.

btw - you guys need some different governors down there....

[Bridget Burke]

71. He actually signed the bill in an evangelical school gym.

It included a law that parents must give written permission for girls under 18 to have abortions. There already WAS a parental notification law. But girls were allowed to go to a judge for permission if their situation warranted it. Further restrictions on late term abortions were also included.

www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/06/texasbill.church.ap/

Even some Texas Republicans are tired of this fool. The primary election for Governor may be interesting. If Kaye Bailey Hutchison actually announces she will run, people have been predicting the conflict may damage Texas Republicans. Let's hope!

[tavalon]

84. We need to work on our lege too

It's quite the good ol' boy system in Austin.

[AnneD]

134. Texas is smart enough,

to only let their legislature meet every 2 years and the Gov has very little real power (how else could we have survived Dubya and Rove). Remember too LBJ, Bill Moyers, Walter Chronkite, Dan Rather and Liz Smith. We promote our rif raf to DC to get them out of the State. Perry may be the next director of HHS.

[olddad56]

22. I suggest all veterans get out of Texas.....

Maybe all true Americans should bail out of Texas.

[Boomer]

26. I'm not a veteran...

...but I got out of Texas, too.

Not going back, no way, no how.

[tavalon]

85. I'm hoping and praying

for a permanent reprieve, come January.

[Sabriel]

37. Yes, and they should take their $$ with them.

I'm sure Texas doesn't want their gay vet money, either....

[Barkley]

130. Gays should boycott Texas

Its been effective in Cincinnati

In fall 2001, Stonewall held a press conference calling for the Olympic Games not to come to Cincinnati because of Article 12. This press conference came on the heels of nearly nine years of sanctions Stonewall called against convention business in Cincinnati. Stonewall's boycott of Cincinnati cost the city over $64 million.

http://www.citybeat.com/2003-06-25/letters.shtml

[pop goes the weasel]

24. he's trying to protect himself politically

He is one of the most infamously closeted gays in the nation, and was on the verge of being completely outed last year. Frankly, I can't think of anyone more despicable than a person who offers up his own kind as a sacrifice in order to save his own sorry ass.

[Occulus]

27. kgfnally suggests gay vets should show their service weapons on the

TX Capitol steps.

But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

SHAME on me for using Dennis Miller's tag line!

[Lilith Velkor]

104. LV suggests gay vets haul him out and beat him publically

Not kill him, just give him an ass whuppin on live TV.

My opinion on such matters is NEVER wrong. :evilgrin:

[Occulus]

124. I mean, REALLY.

You would think he'd be a lot smarter than to say these things to what I'm sure are decorated vets, at least some of them. Oh, and wasn't there something in the campaign about wartime service records and whatnot?

So Republicans claim Dems are the ones who don't support the military, and then a Republican turns directly around and tells a bunch of gay vets they should move out of state if they don't like the treatment they're getting from the state- a state they fought and sometimes were wounded or killed trying to preserve.

Why doesn't the media underscore this hypocrisy?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

29. Hey, Perry! As a fellow straight guy, I say...

You give us a bad name! Fuck you and the horse you diddled!

[burythehatchet]

76. he's not straight, my friend

he is as gay as as humanly possible.

[siliconefreak]

32. is he running for reelection?

If Kay Bailey Hutchison runs against him, I can easily see Perry making dumbass remarks about her very early in his campaign, sinking any hopes he has of being reelected.

I think she's MUCH more politically astute than he is and would have no trouble winning. (not that I want a Repug as Governor of Texas, but I guess she'd be better than Perry)

[anitar1]

34. Well-- Perry may accuse Hutchinson of

being a lesbian, as Bush intimated that Richardson was.

[CatholicEdHead]

35. So, being gay trumps being a veteran?

That is pretty low. This is along the lines of "thank you for your service, but we still hate you and get out".

[99Pancakes]

40. Send the gays to fight for "freedom"

but never bring 'em home. God Bless America, eh?

"My country 'tis of thee
Sweet land of liberty
Of thee I sing..."

[Kber]

138. Hitler had no problem

sending Jewish and gay WWI vets to the gas chambers.

[Catch22Dem]

36. My uncle Bob is gay and was a tunnel rat for 2 tours in Vietnam...

Yeah, he's a real small guy. Volunteered for the Marines when he was 17 or 18. He was one of the guys who'd go into a tiny hole in the ground with nothing but his sidearm, knife, and a flashlight. He'd do it so that the enemy couldn't pop out from behind his platoon and get them in the back. He'd do it to keep his fellow Marines safe, if just for one more night. He saw and did terrible things at the behest of his country.

Rick Perry can suck my uncle's dick as far as I'm concerned.

[Skittles]

46. I'll take Uncle Bob over that bastard Perry any day

ANY F***ING DAY

[pie]

132. My hat is off to your uncle

[bluestateguy]

38. I'm leaving Texas

I'm not gay, but I don't want to live here anymore. I plan to move to a swing state within the next 12 months. I encourage all Texas Democrats to do the same.

[jonnyblitz]

42. i guess i am fortunate to live in new england.

good luck to you. :thumbsup:

[bpeale]

131. how about new mexico?

If you're thinking of leaving texas, how about New Mexico? We love dems here!

[DuaneBidoux]

133. Yea' move to any state that just barely went Bush last time.

Damn I'm in Texas and can't leave. Wish I could. I hate this state and everything about it, from the regressive taxes, to the shitty public schools, to the homophobic rw culture, to its polluted air (I'm in Houston). Not only that, this state is just plain ugly!

[AspenRose]

215. Santa Fe would welcome you with open arms.

eom

[tsuki]

39. Where's the Beltway Democrats objecting to this statement? eoq

[jobycom]

63. You know the saying "Texas is like a whole nother country?"

The Beltway Democrats don't waste their time down here.

In 2002 Texas Democrats originally invited a couple of national Dems--I think Kerry and Gephardt--to the state convention, but a couple of the statewide candidates protested that them libruls would hurt the Dem image in Texas, so they were uninvited. National Dems haven't much cared about Texas since then.

You hear stories about national Dems like Hillary and Kerry coming down here and collecting a ton of money from Dems? That's why. There aren't that many Dems down here worth giving money to.

[okieinpain]

97. yeah, obama, biden, and edwards. isn't this divisive.

[struggle4progress]

41. Why doncha jam a sharp stick in yer eye, Guv? eom

[NuttyFluffers]

44. Republican gov. banishes veterans who bled for motherland, news at 11!

time to start smearing back. son of a bitch to abuse veterans like this is a step too far, even though it was too far a mile ago.

time for chain mail blasts to those outside the choir. make it as sleazy and scandalous as it should be. news won't be the news, then we will be the news. (hell, people only read the title and the first line or two anyways).

[Occulus]

88. No, no, it's far, far worse than you think

This only shows that no matter what we ga people do, no matter our heroics for our country, no matter our service record, no matter if we obey the laws; we will always be reviled and outcast by certain people. I'm afraid that group is growing. The new Pope's recent comments, for example, will only inflame them. Then there's this:

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/05/29/features-ireland.php

"Spurred on by a biblical injunction evangelicals call “The Great Commission,” and emboldened by George W. Bush’s re-election, which is perceived as a “mandate from God,” the Christian right has launched a series of boycotts and pressure campaigns aimed at corporate America — and at its sponsorship of entertainment, programs and activities the Christers don’t like.

And it’s working. Just three weeks ago, the Rev. Donald Wildmon’s American Family Association (AFA) announced it was ending its boycott of corporate giant Procter & Gamble — maker of household staples like Tide and Crest — for being pro-gay. Why? Because the AFA’s boycott (which the organization says enlisted 400,000 families) had succeeded in getting P&G to pull its millions of dollars in advertising from TV shows like Will & Grace and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. P&G also ended its advertising in gay magazines and on gay Web sites. And a P&G executive who had been given a leave of absence to work on a successful Cincinnati, Ohio, referendum that repealed a ban on any measures protecting gays from discrimination was shown the door.

“We cannot say they are 100 percent clean, and we ask our supporters to let us know if they discover P&G again being involved in pushing the homosexual lifestyle,” growls the AFA’s statement of victory over the corporate behemoth, “but judging by all that we found in our research, it appears that our concerns have been addressed.” The Wall Street Journal reported on May 11 that “P&G officials won’t talk publicly about the boycott. But privately, they acknowledge the groups turned out to be larger, better funded, better organized, and more sophisticated than the company had imagined.”

More and more people hate us than ever before, because people who are authority figures are saying that that's okay. That's fine. Go ahead, hate these people, becuse they deserve your hate.

So I have to ask myself just where my line in the sand is. I have to ask myself, "is it time, yet, to get a license to carry concealed? Is it time, yet, to arm myself?"

I would try to change things for the better for myself and all other gay people, but I can't. It's like trying to use a teaspoon to bail out a leaky canoe. Worse, no matter what I do or how I prove it, as the Governor of Texas shows, it won't work well enough to make a difference.

It doesn't matter that I don't want to join the military, because even if I did, I know from this man's comments that my sacrifices were I to do so would be completely in vain. My joining up, ever, would quite literally be for nothing; even were I to save an entire platoon singlehandedly, that would count for nothing in the face of what gender I sleep with.

Oh, we all can crow about how "not everyone is like that" and "we here at DU don't feel that way" but the fact is, those statements don't do anything. Those statements don't keep me safe, or keep people from saying or doing things that are designed to do me and others like me harm.

I don't know how to fix it; there seems to be little that can be done but to just let them do what they want to do, because they're going to whether I like it or not. Maybe someday perceptions will change, but I despair of ever seeing that truly happen in my lifetime.

[Skittles]

45. Skittles suggests asshole Texas governor should go to hell

what a DICK

[Maestro]

49. What a nice hypocrite

Here is one of the many stories of our closeted self-loathing probably gay Gov. Goodhair. And if I were gay, I would be ashamed to know that this fucker is gay too. He gives gays a really bad name.

Gov. Goodhair is gay!

Although it seems to be a nasty rumor started because of a possible or probably or already done divorce and some political shennanigans. Daily Kos report

Still though Goodhair is one greasy futher mucker!

[splat@14]

50. I think Perry should move to Gitmo....fuckin bigot. n/t

[Voltaire99]

51. Texas: the other Florida

Who thought one country could have two assholes?

[Riverman]

52. Come to California

Please, all gay, lesbian and decent people, leave that hell hole called Texas. Must be the gas fumes in the air and lack of oxygen.

Just get the hell out - come to California! I am one person who will welcome you lovingly!

The jews had to leave coming holocosts in Russia and Germany.

The Irish had to leave British genocide in their homeland.

Vietnamese and Cambodians had to leave the murderous pseudo commies.

Please, dear good people of Texas - get out now while you can- leave that state a bleached, smoldering wasteland of bible thumpers canabalizing each other!

Come to California and we will build the world's most diverse, compassionate society in human history! This applies to all red staters - just leave!

[Bridget Burke]

77. Trade Perry for Schwarzenegger?

No thanks.

California is a fine state, but I don't care for YOUR governor, either.

[siliconefreak]

91. you'd prefer Perry?

You must not know much about Schwarzenegger. He's probably the most liberal Republican governor in the U.S.

[CAcyclist]

105. Are You Nuts?

Or just not paying attention?

He just gutted worker's comp so we small businesses still get to pay high fees (my worker's comp fees went up, not down) and injured workers are now out of luck if they suffer more than a minor injury.

We have record deficits and we're not through, even though S. got us to pass that 20 million dollare bond.

The RNC and the SF chron and Sac Bee created a tempest in a teacup so that they could forse Kevin Shelley out and replace him with a Republican sec. of State who will probably be too naive to keep the voting machine companies from pulling a fast one on us.

S. is going to put us another 70-80 million in the hole for a special election that he needs to have happen in 2005 so he won't be bound by the spending limits that will be in force in 2006.

He wants to redistrict so that Republicans will pick up seats. The only way he can redistrict in California and have that happen is by gerrymandering or outright rigging the vote.

S. wants to break the unions by making it harder for the union leadership to use the dues for political purposes.

He wants to break the influence of the CalPers by turning it into a 401k instead of a pension system.

S.'s cronies are going to put up a bill to amend the state constitution to deny gays the right to marry

He's refusing to fully fund the schools even though he's adding funding for roads due to the road building lobby. If I had to choose between roads and schools, I'd vote for schools. We don't need to be widening any more roads in California anyway, it just induces more traffic and more sprawl.

[siliconefreak]

120. No, I'm not nuts. Can you read?

This is what I said:

"He's probably the most liberal Republican governor in the U.S."

Your long response didn't address my statement at all. I can't think of any other Repug governors who are pro-choice, pro-gay rights, and pro-gun control.

He also said on Jay Leno's show that if the CA Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriages, that he's fine with it.

I'm not saying I love Arnold. The main point I was making was that he is MUCH more acceptable than Rick Perry - at least to me. Maybe you like Rick Perry - I don't know.

[Bridget Burke]

137. He's still a fucking Republican.

Yes, he says he's in favor of liberal social causes. But he's gutting the state of California.

What is California doing with a Republican governor, anyway?

[siliconefreak]

139. people were dazzled by his celebrity status (n/t)

[Riverman]

140. Arnold's a push over -

Like the wrestler Gov of Minnesota, Arnold will NOT BE BACK! Grey Davis was such a weak leader that someone playing a leader looked far better. NExt Election Phil Angelidis, state Treasurer, will be elected Governor and will undo Arnold's mess. California is a democratic state - small "d"

[Robeson]

53. Go to hell, Perry.

[MiniMe]

55. Wow, what a way to support the troops! n/t

[Initech]

56. What an asshole!!

I mean, really, this guy is a total idiot.

[ninkasi]

57. This has gone way, way too far

This is just the latest outrage committed by a Republican Party drunk on hatred. How DARE that little piece of shit have the nerve to tell ANY person, gay or straight, that they can just go to another state if they don't like it?

Every day, we read about the conditions in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and feel our spirits sink lower and lower, as we consider that these wars , especially in Iraq, did not have to be fought. We know that our soldiers, and Iraqi citizens, are being killed and maimed to satisfy the greed and arrogance of Bush, and the neocon thugs who are enabling him destroy us.

Now our returning vets are told that just maybe they aren't welcome here, and should leave. In my opinion, this rises to the level of a hate crime. If the governor of a state makes such a pronouncement, doesn't it follow that the rightwing fundies will take that as approval to display their hatred in physical ways?

I have seen so many times lately, where the nut jobs are pushing, pushing, pushing their hate filled agendas, whether it is in public school, government, military service,or in simply recognizing each other's right to pursue happiness in their own way. In many cases, the articles have stated that they now feel "emboldened", due to having control of all three branches of government.

I was born in, and live, in, Texas, and to have any Texan, but even worse, the governor of the state, make such hate filled statements enrages me. Each and every one of our democratic leaders needs to call Perry on this right away, forcefully, and without apology.

We bleed and die in Iraq, and the monkey in the White House says that our brave soldiers are fighting for our freedoms. Now, when some of the men and women who enlisted, prepared to serve their fellow citizens return, they are insulted, rejected, and belittled.

None of us must let up on calling Perry, our congresspeople, and news organizations, and we must not let go of this without a very public apology. I can only imagine what the veterans must feel; can you imagine the parents, or partners, of the ones who gave their life in the desert, and hearing such a statement?

We are no longer America. Perry, Bush, and the rest of them have no right to even utter the words liberty, and democracy, much less make shockingly barbaric statements like this. To all my gay and lesbian friends, I'm sorry that you have to withstand this kind of garbage and abuse.

[geniph]

144. Ninkasi, that's a beautiful post of outrage

It deserves its own thread. You ought to post that by itself.

[alarimer]

59. Perry can say this shit yet Dean gets criticized

for telling the TRUTH about Republicans. I guess perry just proved Dean right!!

[Robeson]

61. It is amazing, isn't it.

[Geo55]

64. Ahh....y'all want whip cream on that sir ?

Texas sure does turn out some "fine" guvners , don't it.
Poster boy example of why "pro choice" is important....his momma shoulda given "it" more thought.

[ngGale]

65. Boy, is Perry on a power trip...

gawd, help us!

[blueblitzkrieg]

66. Republicans support our veterans -

unless they're gay. Then they can shut the fuck up and sit at the back of the bus or get out!

Republicans = :puke:

[ooglymoogly]

67. where is texas? is it a state?

i thought texsas was some antediluvian myth...back when the earth was flat

[annabanana]

68. If he is really a closet case....

I'd say the case has been made for a brilliant outing. "With 8" x 10" color glossy photos with circles and arrows on the back of each one..explainin exactly........."

(yay Arlo)

[lateo]

69. Isn't Perry gay?

[myrna minx]

72. Methinks Perry doth protest quite like a certain

Spokane mayor. :shrug:

[lateo]

73. I remember not long ago...

there were rumors about a divorce and that Perry had a Misteress.

[Tesla]

75. My Gadar is working!!!!

He's a closet person if I ever seen one!!!!

[tavalon]

87. I love that! Misteress

At first I thought you had just misspelled and we're confused about the sex of his lover. But then I got it. Cute one!

[myrna minx]

89. Misteress, LOL. n/t

[KamaAina]

79. Perhaps, but is he a veteran?

If he's a chickenhawk like most repukes, then he can stay. :sarcasm:

[silverlib]

74. The gay buffet

My bet is that he is part of the gay buffet (mentioned by Jon Stewart)

[Tippy]

78. I think this is an issue that will come back to haunt

Bush and the Republicans for years to come...It was a tool used by the Bush administration to get him elected but the people are beginning to see the light, it one thing to deny marriage etc. but to openly tell Gays to leave the state that will anger many..and the more people they make angry the better for our side....just my 2 cents..

[tavalon]

80. Hmmm,

Would Rick Perry still be able to be governor if he was living in another state?

[Javaman]

86. And helmet head wants to run for prez

I think we will need another one of these "*".

[pokercat999]

90. "I'm going to say Texas has made a decision on marriage"

what an ass when the time comes we will remember you.

[Pacifist Patriot]

92. Okay and the media outrage at such an unpatriotic and

inhuman comment will begin in....5, 4,....never.

[bling bling]

112. Right. And the Dems will quit criticizing Howard Dean and start

becoming outraged at the tyrannical Republicans destroying America in 5, 4.....never too.

So sad.

[Ishoutandscream2]

99. Meanwhile, our great state can't take care of real business

School funding bill - can't get done.

A fair and equitable tax system, namely property taxes - can't get done.

Making state colleges affordable by capping once again the amount of tuition state schools charge (which the Republicans eliminated in the last session) - can't get done.

Addressing the need of the many folks here in Texas without adequate health insurance - can't get done.

Restoring the Texas Tomorrow Fund which the Republicans eliminated in the last session - can't get done.

Raising teacher pay to the national average - can't get done.

But hey, queers won't be able to marry, and our cheerleaders in Texas high schools will stop their sexual gyrations. No wonder folks are laughing at us.

[Bridget Burke]

101. But Perry was glad to schedule expensive special sessions....

So the legislature would enact Tom Delay's redistricting plan.

He's got his priorities "straight."

[applegrove]

100. No way Karl Rove is letting go of that state. Onto re-education and

enforced wedgies for all Democratic States he fell!

[Deja Q]

102. Then the texas governor can pay their way out.

[Geo55]

116. I Luvvv dat pic.......

ah.....envy is such a degrading emotion.


"

[TankLV]

106. Is this asshole goodhair a vet?

Sounds like he's a another in a long list of repuke chickenhawks.

[geniph]

107. Yes! Leave Texas, and take your tax dollars with you!

Bring them here to Washington state, where you'll be welcome!

Stupid sumbeech. He should stick to talking about hair products. He obviously knows something about that.

[Robeson]

108. "Yes! Leave Texas, and take your tax dollars with you!"....

...Yes, makes a lot of sense doesn't it. This is what happens when reality is replaced with theocracy.

[Shallah Kali]

111. Idiots, they are shooting themselves in the foot on top of being vile

Forbes magazine estimates that if gay marriage was allowed it would put over $16 BILLION in to the US economy! hm. I wonder if some of the moderates would stop bowing and scraping to the fundies when it comes to gay marriage if this was pointed out to them. Do the right thing and boost your state's economy as a bonus!

The gay-marriage windfall: $16.8 billion
Which industries will catch the bouquet?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4678137/

[Maat]

113. That's why I'm SO ticked ... I want California to legalize same-sex

marriage now! We've built really nice resorts here, with casinos, in the Temecula-Valley/San-Diego. Think of the nice weddings/honeymoons we could arrange! Think of the bucks!

[daleo]

114. That is extremely despicable.

It is a good thing he isn't using religion to divide people, the way Dean is. :sarcasm:

[Behind the Aegis]

115. Is this the famous "Support the Troops" meme I have heard so much about?

Dean says Rethugs are "white Christians" and the media goes nuts. A Rethug governor says "gay soldiers out of my state" and the GAY media goes nuts, but the rest of MSM, barely a peep. Way to support the troops fighting for your right to day such hateful things!

[bling bling]

125. OH MY GOD THAT'S GOOD! I didn't even think of that.

"Way to support the troops fighting for your right to say such hateful things!"

Your comment deserves to be pointed out on national TV.

[Behind the Aegis]

126. Why thank you!

I have heard it crammed down our throats for disagreeing with the pResident. Why not throw it back in their collective faces. These men and women are fighting for freedom, yet, it is a freedom they will lack in their own nation by politicians that scorn them because they are gay. Basically, Perry "spit" on the returning troops!

[bling bling]

127. The Dem's should be required to read this site if they're elected.

They could maybe win an election if they listened to the ideas here. They could learn how to frame their arguments in effective ways, for one thing.

But besides that, you're exactly right - the hypocracy of the Governor's statement is absolutely dispicable. I feel like boycotting that state over this. At the moment I wouldn't set foot in that state if you paid me. It's a shame for any democrats living there to have to be represented by such a revolting and hateful "leader." This is beyond the usual scandelous-ridden tacticts of the Republican party. Being in a power-position and telling citizens to 'leave if you don't like us amending the constitution to discriminate against you' is a travesty to our entire country. This has escalated from a local issue to everybody's problem, in my opinion.

[libnnc]

117. as the lesbian partner of a US Navy vet

Perry can kiss our lesbian asses.

[Vektor]

121. Maybe that asshole Perry ought to leave instead.

And go somewhere where he'll never be seen or heard from again. He can take the rest of the ignorant, bigoted neocons with him.

[reformedrepub]

122. Perry Sucks

Straight Veteran from NY says Perry can go to Hell!!!

[Supersedeas]

128. chickenhawks for American values???

[Bridget Burke]

129. He actually served in the Air Force--between wars.

Flying C-130's.

Since he's still fairly young, perhaps he'll join up again after he's booted out of the Governor's office! (Yeah, right.)

[maxrandb]

135. Texas Governor Suggests Gay & Lesbian War Veterans Should Leave State

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48516

I'm not sure if this is a reputable source. I've never heard of usnewswire until I got this via e-mail.

This is just beyond disgusting. Will someone in the media now ask some prominent Republicans if they support Gov Perry. I mean, he is a Republican leader isn't he.

"Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry on Sunday insinuated the state's lesbian, gay and bisexual war veterans should leave the state if they are unhappy with a recent anti-gay marriage amendment introduced there, according to the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN).

During a news conference held in a Fort Worth church, Perry was asked what he would tell Texas gay and lesbian war veterans returning home from war about the law. Gov. Perry responded, according to the Fort Worth Star Telegram, by saying that "Texans made a decision about marriage and if there's a state that has more lenient views than Texas, then maybe that's a better place for them to live."

Servicemembers Legal Defense Network today joined calls by the Lesbian and Gay Rights Lobby of Texas for Gov. Perry to apologize. "More than 66,000 lesbian and gay veterans make their home in Texas," said Sharra E. Greer, SLDN's director of law and policy. "Their service has defended the freedom of every Texan, including Governor Perry. The Governor's remarks dishonor their service and he should immediately apologize. We should be thanking these brave men and women, not asking them to leave."

[BenDavid]

141. I have used this expression before, and

maybe I am using it too much, but with something as stupid as this is expressed by a " holier then thou" repug, I have to use it... From the movie, "the rock", John Mason says to the General, " Personally, I think you're a fucking idiot".....

[Orsino]

145. Veteran suggests governor should leave politics. n/t

[Arkana]

146. Related News: Gay Texas veterans tell Governor Perry

to kiss their shiny metal asses, and to call his proctologist to have his head removed from his.

[Name removed]

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[CarefullyLiberal]

148. Gay men are still humans, right?

Or did I miss something?

Govenor Perry may be retarded, but good gawd man, get a clue.

Gad!

-Fergus

[really annoyed]

152. Rick Perry Should Leave Planet

Do us all a favor!

Seriously, what an embarrassment to the good people of Texas!

[Name removed]

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[Mugsy]

154. Texas Gov Perry to gays: Don't like the new law... move!

from The Dallas Voice

FORT WORTH — Texas Governor Rick Perry, at a bill-signing ceremony Sunday at an evangelical school, suggested that gays and lesbians who don’t approve of a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marrages and civil unions should move to “a state that has more lenient views than Texas.”

<snip>

Two-thirds majorities in both the House and Senate approved the resolution during the legislative session that ended May 31. Perry said he signed it as a show of support. Voters will have the final say in a ratification vote set for the Nov. 8 ballot.

<snip>

When a television reporter asked him how the proposed amendment might affect gay veterans in Texas — one of the groups protesting outside the Calvary school — Perry replied, “Texans made a decision about marriage, and if there’s a state that has more lenient views than Texas, then maybe that’s a better place for them to live.”

<http://www.dallasvoice.com/articles/dispArticle.cfm?Article_ID=6155">more......>

[Ouabache]

155. I already boycott every possible thing related to TX that I can

Guess I will have to find some more things about that state to boycott.
props to TX DUers, I know you do all you can.

[peace_prevails]

206. I'm a 6th generation Texan....

I feel so close to people like Governor Perry that I now reside in New Zealand. And that f*ck-wad is still bothering me....

[mom cat]

211. I am a 7th generation Texan..living happily in Boston! I left 20 years

ago and have NO regrets. At least I don't live in a state where the senators can't even sign a wimpy apologe for lynching!

[ima_sinnic]

156. like the previous poster, I will never set foot in that horrible state

and will never spend money on a Texas-made product (is there such a thing?). And I will soon be writing that dumbass governor to tell him so.

I am currently editing a book on snakes and it seems every damn one of them can be found in Texass. Apologies to Texas DUers, but the state sounds like a corner of Hell.

[luvLLB]

212. Not all of us are like that...there really are a lot of good ppl here.

[Erika]

157. Governor Perry was once liked until he turned rabid rightwing

Both Houston and Dallas have large populations of gays, including those who have been in the military. Perry just spat in their faces.

[aquart]

158. This is the closet case with a boyfriend?

He is so going to Hell.

[assclown_bush]

165. Is he GAY??? Arghhh! Please say it isn't so.

I don't want him to be gay and be self loathing. Haven't we suffered enough???!!!! Enough with the Gannons and Mayor Wests and the Arthur Finkelsteins. We don't want these people to be part of our GLBT community. Let the heteros keep them. But, if he is gay, he should be outed, outed, outed. I am so damned mad.

:rant:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

168. There was a rumor that his wife caught him with his boyfriend.

http://austin.indymedia.org/newswire/display/15577/index.php

Gov. Perry Sex Scandal Brewing Current rating: 0
by .
(No verified email address) 18 Feb 2004
Modified: 10:13:01 PM
EWWWWWW!
Source #1: "I attended a political meeting this morning at which it was reported that Governor Perry's wife has left the Governor's Mansion in Austin. The alleged reason was that she found the governor in bed with another man. If true, discussions of gay issues are likely to take a higher profile in Texas in the coming weeks."

Source #2: "I did not want to say anything until it hit the mainstream press, but I have known about that for more than a week."

Source #3: "...the rumors about Perry and Secretary of State Connor (the alleged paramour) have been "swirling" since January. The governor's office is being very evasive."

[jobycom]

172. That's why he's doing this, to overcome the rumors

Whether they are true or not (just about every Texas politician, either party, is rumored to be gay and has at least three witnesses who will swear to it), Perry is trying hard to link himself to an anti-gay movement before he gets labeled as gay. Republicans like this particular accusation--they accused Ann Richards of being the lesbian lover of the Roe v Wade lawyer, they accused Ron Kirk of planning to legalize gay marriage.

Gay marriage is the new anti-abortion for Texas Repubs. Abortion stopped working as a wedge issue, so now it's gays.

[AuntiBush]

159. They're Haughty-Arrogance Will Do Them In. Hypocrits Should Move!

[Deja Q]

160. Will he pay for the u-haul and plane tickets?

[rwheeler31]

162. If you can move to Vermont and work to elect Sanders.

You will be well received.

[PartyPooper]

161. I have a friend who has just sold his house in Texas and moved to Oregon.

He's ecstatic to be out of that hell hole. And, I have no present ties to that fascist state. Fuck Texas!

I never will set foot in that state again. I fly around it (sometimes at great inconvenience and expense).

And, I will never buy anything from Texas either!

Sorry DU'ers from the Lone Star State. But, this has gotten ridiculous! Get out while you can!

[neuvocat]

163. What a shame. I loved San Antonio too.

Guess I'll have to wait a while before I make any other trips out there. Bummer.

[leesa]

164. Why isn't this freak being publicly outed?Why isn't the marriage he pissed

on being spoken about?

[Name removed]

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[Neshanic]

169. Playboy and ultra...You guys a couple? Matching cowboy hats?

You can tell us lefties here. We understand. Tell us ALL about it.

Dish it you two!

[Biased Liberal Media]

170. Welcome to the board Freeper

[Stevious]

171. Maybe if you close your eyes...

and click your heels together, they'll all just go away.

Or back to Kansas with Dorothy.

[Guckert]

175. Because you cant hold back your urges for man meat. have you ever lived

on a Georgia farm????

[Guckert]

176. They are just rebelling against their Catholic upbringing and all the

games of "good touch, bad touch" they played together with the padre.

[PartyPooper]

177. We have a special DU'er from Texas around here who loves to kick ass.

Her name is SKITTLES. Watch out!

:rofl:

[saigon68]

208. ADIOS

Vaya con Dios

[Guckert]

174. I bet Perry is as gay as Jeff Gannon and the Mayor West. thou doth

protest to much...ultramagbrion must be his lover. because he sure hates the gays. but bombing innocent Iraqis is A.O.K. i guess. DUH.

[kenny blankenship]

178. mods, please don't remove this comment by 'ultramagbrion'

People at DU need to be reminded what a shithead homophobe really looks and sounds like.

[Neshanic]

179. Exactly...this works on so many levels.

[Neshanic]

173. Can these two stay? We can use them in our gay mind control.

Pleeeeeese moderators?

[Name removed]

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[Biased Liberal Media]

181. If you're progressive, why would you want to

hush someone who is gay?? If you're not progressive/liberal/dem, then what the hell are you doing here?

[PartyPooper]

182. Homophobes, racists, and bigots are not welcome at DU.

And, "lefties" is a term used by Robert Novak. We prefer "progressives".

Buh bye!

:D

:hi:

[Biased Liberal Media]

183. Oh Snap!!!

Thank you! Loved the response.

[Name removed]

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[Biased Liberal Media]

188. What have we escaped from??

Obviously when morans like you come on here and post about shushing a gay person, we haven't escaped much.

Now, buh bye!

[chalky]

189. You're new at this, aren't you?

See, you're supposed to post a few innocuous comments on some non-political threads here--rack up a few post counts before you turn into a drooling knuckle dragger.

Lord, you can't even freep right, can you?

[Biased Liberal Media]

190. ROFLMAO..../nft

[Daphne08]

207. Hahahaha

:rofl:

[PartyPooper]

194. If you need other sources, why not call Karl Rove or Rumsfeld, eh?

Perhaps they can size you into a uniform just right for you in the "war on terra".

I understand there's a shortage of recruits. You sound like you would fit right in.

Good luck.

Buh bye!

:patriot:

[Neshanic]

184. So is it the physical proximity, or that they dress better than you?

The first step is WHY you do not like them around.

[NYC Liberal]

185. This is a LIBERAL message board

For LIBERALS who are DEMOCRATS. Don't like it? Go back to the sewer that is Freeperville.

[magellan]

186. Buh-bye

Sick fascists don't belong among progressives. Go home to the neocons and heil your fuhrer, Bush**.

[Name removed]

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[Biased Liberal Media]

192. You're right, you are surrounded by progressives

On second thought, the only one who needs a wake up call is you.

[Biased Liberal Media]

196. RE: your ETA

why is it such a big deal?? Because someone is trying to run people who are gay out of a state. That is wrong. Can you not see the corrolation??

[Neshanic]

197. "i" is what you use. That's very telling.

You are uncomfortable having them around. You use "i" uncapitalized. There could be more issue here than we thought.

Feel the love. "I'm surrounded by so-called "progressives".

We are here to help you answer that question..."How am I not me?"

Let us us help you.

[Behind the Aegis]

198. ummm

Perhaps gays don't want to live near people who are close-minded? Maybe we should have law passed like that...to remove closed-minded bigots...and....oh wait....this is STILL the United States and GAYS and BIGOTS should be able to live where ever they want!!! If the bigots have a problem, I suggest they find another place to live!

[Biased Liberal Media]

200. Exactly. /nft

[magellan]

202. You are obviously not a progressive by any stretch of the word

This place is called the Democratic Underground, in case that fact (like so many others) had escaped you. Read the forum rules. This isn't a playground for Rethuglican hate-mongers. If you want to learn something, you can learn plenty just by reading -- no need to write and antagonize what you KNOW to be a pro-gay rights group.

If you support Bush** and his ideas about who is entitled to democracy, you're a fascist in my book. The State is always right; individual freedoms are suppressed in favor of jingoistic muscle-flexing; censorship, bigotry, propaganda and fear are used to control the masses...and on and on.

Fascism isn't necessarily totalitarian. It has its authoritarian forms, which you might learn if you actually read about it. The way some worship Bush** and his nationalistic wetdreams of Empire he might as well be Fuhrer.

"Not wanting gays around" you classifies you as non-progressive. You can't unlearn that by hanging out in a forum like this; you need to get out into the real world, grow as a person, and learn to accept others as they are without pre-judging them.

[PartyPooper]

204. ding ding ding!

Great post!

:toast:

:beer:

:hi:

[0rganism]

205. so you understand, we don't have anything against republican trolls

we just don't want them around.

There are other message boards that will welcome your sentiments just as surely as they will exclude ours, so don't take it personally when you get kicked. Move on to greener pastures and revel in the fact that "your side" is in total, absolute, fascistic control of the very central government that it claimed to revile for so long.

[bluestateguy]

201. You are not dealing with Alan Colmes and Joe Lieberman here

People here fight back HARD when you attack them.

[dArKeR]

193. Link doesn't work for me.

[Rex]

195. Ain't it amazing how 'in your face' Repukes are now?

They don't even try to hide their hatred and intolerance.

[dArKeR]

199. Did you catch the Robert Redford interview on Franken? Redford's main

point was this. In a way, he said the GOP are getting off on the FU high. I'm telling ya, everyone in the GOP and the pathetic people who voted for them all think they're some kind of FU Mythical Gangster.

[magellan]

203. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, neh?

To borrow from Darker (and Redford), every day brings some new FU moment from the GOP. And their supporters follow suit like brainless zombies, just like the Nazi Youth did....

[0007]

209. I'd sure like to hear from Perry's wife after she caught him in

bed with another man.

[NashVegas]

210. THIS LINK DOES NOT WORK

How can this story be verified? I would like to see it verified, so I can tell people about it. But if it can't be verified, I can't do anything.

[maddezmom]

213. here's a working link to different article:

Legislation banning gay marriage signals politicking to come
~snip~

But last week's events suggest the subtext of the Republican primary will be anti-gay rhetoric to rally a mighty force of evangelical voters.

As the governor looked on, according to Dallas Morning News, an Ohio evangelist speaking at the event said, "Homosexuals are anything but happy and anything but fine." He called gay sex "a veritable breeding ground of disease" and said lesbians can “expect to live only to age 45 in the United States." To my knowledge, none of those statements are verifiable.

But to clinch the deal, Perry gave this response to a question about gay veterans returning to Texas from Iraq who might want to marry: "If there is some other state that has a more lenient view than Texas, then maybe that's a better place for them to live.”

Once upon a time, the battle cry of principle for the conservative movement was the stirring line in Barry Goldwater's acceptance speech at the 1964 Republican convention. It was one of my first and most potent political memories. He said, "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!"

Those days appear to be long gone.
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[NashVegas]

218. Thanks, MM

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[amazona]

216. why doesn't Gov. Perry lead the way and show us how?

Everyone knows he's gay as a jay, what a freaking hypocrite!

[Triana]

217. ...and they SHRIEK about what Howard Dean says?!?!

HA! Look at what these PIGS get away with saying and no one bats an eye. Dems ought to be ALL OVER this and the porn star Carey like white on rice.

WHY OH WHY do Dems let them get away with this shit?