Gathering of Dissidents (Cuba) Raises Hopes - and Worries

[guajira]

How would the Whitehouse react if Al Qeada planned a meeting in the U.S.??

snippet:
Organizers of the Assembly to Promote Civil Society -- the most ambitious effort to date to gather dissidents in defiance of the communist government's tight political controls -- are counting on participation by more than 300 opposition groups and some invited foreign VIPs.

But so far, the Cuban government has not responded to visa requests from prominent figures such as former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev and former Czech President Vaclav Havel, who say they want to attend the May 20-21 events starting on Cuba's Independence Day.
more:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11644095.htm

Surprise!! Miami is involved!!!

snippet:
In Miami, about 50 Cuban exile groups supporting the Havana assembly joined forces to set up a Center for Information and Support to monitor events on the island and disperse information.

[Mika]

1. Gotta love those lying gusanos

from the Miami Herald article..

Castro has said that the meeting would be nothing more than a show staged and financed by the U.S. government, a charge vehemently denied by organizers.

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On Friday, Bush administration officials presented the Coral Gables-based Support Group to Democracy with a three-year, $6 million grant extension to help civil society efforts on the island.

Yet another $6,000,000 of our tax dollars (actually, our kid's) down the drain.

[guajira]

2. I Hope Castro Denies Entry - Don't They have a Watch-List?

Here we have a terrorist watch list and anyone attempting to fly into the US is refused - even Cat Stevens and Bobby Fischer!

Cuba should do the same - I lived in Miami for approx. 30 years and have been to Cuba several times, and believe me, Cubans don't need this bunch in their country!!

[geek tragedy]

4. Because everyone who is opposed to Castro is a terrorist.

Like that terrorist mastermind Vaclev Havel.

Contemptible.

[bemildred]

7. I do sort of like the way they just make shit up.

Shows both nerve and creativity. Not like the pansies in the
US Corporate Media who are always going on about their
non-existent credibility.

[geek tragedy]

3. I highly doubt Vaclev Havel would be attending a meeting of terrorists.

What an incredibly stupid and offensive comparison to make.

Typical Stalinist garbage tactic of equating dissent with treason and other horrible crimes.

[Laughing Mirror]

5. "Dissent" financed by chief world terrorist, George W. Bush

Or do you have information to the contrary?

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Do YOU have any proof that Vaclev Havel has been financed by Bush

:shrug:

[Laughing Mirror]

9. The meeting that he is going to is

read

[geek tragedy]

10. Funny, that's not what the article says.

"On Friday, Bush administration officials presented the Coral Gables-based Support Group to Democracy with a three-year, $6 million grant extension to help civil society efforts on the island. Although no cash is sent directly to Cuba, the money is used to provide food, medicine and other humanitarian aid to dissidents, including those involved with next week's gathering."

Read.

[Mika]

15. Put 2+2 together

Money saved & not used for food, medicine and other humanitarian aid by so called "dissidents", as supplied by the US taxpayers by Bush decree, means more money for their treasonous activities. Its money from the same stash.


Think.







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[guajira]

6. Birds of a feather....

According to your buddy *Bush, You're either with us or against us.

If Cuba has that same philosophy, then Havel is against them. Every country has a right to their own sovereignty, including Cuba. The Cubans on the island do not obsess about Castro like Miami "exiles" do. Cubans I talked to in Cuba think Miami Cubans are crazy.

Cubans now come to US to visit (then return home) or they come to US to find better jobs (same as Mexicans, Dominicans, etc.)

But they in no way want the US or Miami to try and take over their country!!!

[Mika]

11. Only attending a meeting of terrorist supporters

Posted by geek tragedy--> "I highly doubt Vaclev Havel would be attending a meeting of terrorists.
What an incredibly stupid and offensive comparison to make."

Typical Bushian garbage.

Havel might (if Cuba grants him entry) be attending a meeting financed by a state sponsor of anti Cuba terrorism (CIA agent Posada for one example).

He should be ashamed of himself for associating with such a contemptible group of villianous traitors.


Offensive indeed to support Havel's involvement with such cretins.



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[Mika]

13. I guess you would support AlQueda in the USA then

I mean, you support foreign intervention in Cuba's government (which you call brutal and unelected, time and time again), so, according to your "logic" you would support foreign intervention, no matter how violent they might have been in the past or support and rally those who have used violence. After all, AlQueda only are seeking to "free" us from Bush's torturous & tyrannical "leadership".


:crazy:


Obviously, you don't seem to perceive the difference between real internal political dissidence and foreign intervention supported by invaders who seek to overthrow the system of government.








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[geek tragedy]

14. I know Stalinist rhetoric when I hear it.

And I'm hearing it.

[Laughing Mirror]

16. You keep hearing it because you keep repeating it

Apply your rhetoric, geek tragedy, to enlighten us about the millions of our dollars Bush spends in our name promoting Democracy in Uzebekistan, for example.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1484252,00.html

On Friday night, the United States raised fears that members of a 'terrorist group' may have been released from prison during the riots, but urged both sides to show restraint. The former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, who claims that he lost his job for exposing the human rights abuses of the US's new ally in the war on terror, said the Islamic elements in the Andijan crowds were moderate - 'more Turkey than Taliban'.

He added: 'This has really blown up in the US's faces. When will the US and UK call for fair, free and early elections in Uzbekistan?'

America gives $10 million a year in aid to the Uzbek security services and police, agencies which it says indulge in torture as a 'routine investigation technique'. Murray said: 'The US will claim that they are teaching the Uzbeks less repressive interrogation techniques, but that is basically not true.

...

Russian state television carried comments from politicians and analysts, saying the unrest was a 'green revolution' - a suggestion that it was an Islamic fundamentalist revolt. A junior foreign minister said the unrest was caused by 'the weakness of the authorities, social problems and the influence of extremist groups'.

[Mika]

17. Its a constant pattern on the "Cuba threads"

:hi:

Some of us apply logic, provide links, and reasonable discussion based on personal experience in Cuba. None of us who have done any serious research on Cuba (or have actually been there) obsess over Mr Castro as the doer of all things good and bad in Cuba. Then, other anti Cuba-ists attack using classic red baiting techniques by calling some of us "Castro lovers" "Castro apologists" "Stalinists" etc etc using not many links (other than the usual anti Castro stuff), in an attempt to distract from the topic at hand and to hijack the thread into a flame war.

Visit the "Cuba threads" for a while and you'll see this pattern over and over again.

[Judi Lynn]

18. It's the same as Joe McCarthy's attempt to destroy Americans

by labeling them "communist sympathizers," "fellow travelers," etc.

They can't actually deal with direct, honest dialogue. Insufficient funds, mentally. It would require actual research, and they've got zip to support them.