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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:15 PM
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Newsweek: A Deadly Guessing Game (Iraq Success or Failure)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7774784/site/newsweek/

Don't ask America's top brass exactly how the Iraq war is going. They don't know. The various U.S. services have never managed to agree on a unified system for gauging successes and failures in the counterinsurgency campaign. Instead, everyone uses a different yardstick. Recently the National Intelligence Council, the information clearinghouse for America's spy services, produced a study of the problem. NEWSWEEK has learned that the document, which remains classified, urges that the present babel of war assessments be replaced with a coherent system, one that would help U.S. forces react faster and more effectively to shifting insurgent tactics and other challenges. The paper's overall tone is "not uplifting," according to a source familiar with its contents. In blunt terms, things are looking grim. How grim? It's anybody's guess.

Good luck finding someone in the administration to make that guess. America's Iraq policy is like a ghost ship these days. The administration has tried to lower its profile in Iraq, hoping to keep the new assembly from looking like a U.S. puppet. But concern is rising that America may have retreated too far. The Pentagon's three top civilians for day-to-day Iraqi affairs—Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and William Luti—are going soon or already gone. Now the State Department is in charge. Yet Baghdad has been without a U.S. ambassador for the past month, since John Negroponte left to become director of National Intelligence. The administration's top diplomat in Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, was named to succeed him, but as of last weekend his confirmation hearings had not even been scheduled. The embassy's interim boss, Deputy Chief of Mission James Jeffrey, has already been handed his next assignment. In March, when Rice appointed career Foreign Service officer Richard Jones as her special envoy to Baghdad, State Department sources thought he would be assigned at least a half dozen aides. Now an official says Jones's team is only half that size. "State is in charge of the game now," says a senior military official, "but it's too much for them."

Nothing is going the way it was supposed to. Almost as soon as the formation of a new Iraqi government was announced on April 28, suicide bombings began again. By the end of last week, the death toll since then had passed 270. "The elections were held up as a milestone," says Tom Donnelly, a military expert at the think tank most closely aligned with the administration, the American Enterprise Institute. "And politically they were. But as regards the insurgency, they're evidently not particularly relevant at all." Nevertheless, other analysts argue that the surge of attacks reflects a growing sense of desperation among the insurgents. Iraq's Sunni Arabs—even some hard-liners who until recently wanted nothing to do with the U.S.-backed government—have grown increasingly eager to join the political process.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:21 PM
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1. As soon as * Square gets named in Baghdad, we'll declare victory
I'm guessing that will be about the same time as the Rapture occurring.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:25 PM
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2. I guess we can't just line up the ships and planes and bring our people
home can we.

Maybe if we send Bolton to the UN he will ask them "pretty please with maple sugar on it" and they will help out.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:37 PM
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3. The definition of Success?
Does the Bush Junta have an exit plan?
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:38 PM
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4. the goals keep changing and becoming more amorphous
Of course they can't measure success: they can't admit what they are trying to accomplish.

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:18 PM
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5. Believe Me, It's A Failure
They can't even put a "success" spin on this turkey anymore, and they've been trying. The whole echo chamber has fallen silent, and the constant bombardment of wacko ideas has come to a screeching halt with the total failure of both the conquest of Iraq and the proposed Social Security destruction.

The GOP has found out that America doesn't love it, really. All those miserable bastards were voting for was the tax cuts, and one can't run a war on empty, so there's no going back to that well: it's empty. And the pie-in-the-sky promises about cheap oil have been shown to be total lies, too.

Dubya is the anti-Clinton (probably the anti-Christ, too, but I believe in seperation of Church and State).
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:27 PM
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6. agree with you
how did he think he could get lasting peace by not giving the Sunni
population a large slice of the oil pie, they ruled Iraq, and they are not going to give up rights to all the oil, they have lead
the insurgency for this reason, I look for them to take over the
country and boot us out, whether Sadaam comes back into power is unclear at this point; we could have help reshape the country if
we had a comprehensive plan to do so, we went there for the oil and
have ended up with egg on our faces.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:49 PM
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7. but haven't we beaten the fifth largest military in the world?
fighting a guerrilla war against insurgents, policing a country with no stable government, and guarding Iraqi borders from outside attack..who could ask for anything more?
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:14 AM
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8. "Nevertheless
other analysts argue that the surge of attacks reflects a growing sense of desperation among the insurgents"

and corporate media wonders why we are not paying good money for insights like these
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:16 AM
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9. Officials: the more Iraqi deaths there are, the more successful USA is
I wish I were kidding, but that's what they said yesterday:

After one of the bloodiest weeks in Iraq since the fall of Saddam, US military officials have claimed that the dramatic upsurge in violence is proof they are close to breaking up the terrorist network of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq.

In the last nine days, about 250 Iraqis - mostly from the country's fledgling security services - have died in a series of suicide bombings which continued yesterday when two car bombs killed 22, including two Americans, at one of Baghdad's busiest road junctions.

Despite the escalating violence, American officials this weekend took the unusual step of announcing that the bloodshed was the insurgents' response to the headway they claim they are making in breaking up the terror networks.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1479036,00.html
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:38 AM
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10. These are some seriously sick people...
<snip>
Meanwhile U.S. leaders are looking for hope wherever they can find it. Some intelligence officials even interpret the recent bombings of Iraqi police stations and military posts as a positive sign. Successful attacks are just dumb luck, they argue, and the high casualty figures merely reflect the fact that growing numbers of Iraqis are putting their lives on the line against the insurgency. That's the way things look from a safe distance, anyway. "The administration can stomach television images of Iraqis getting killed," says a former administration official who had a key role in Iraq policy. Images of American dead in comparable numbers would be quite another story. The war's approval rating is bad already. If it gets much worse, any other gauge of the counterinsurgency will seem irrelevant.


And all they interview are PNACers from AEI? They are still clinging to their utopian bullshit. Hell, just look through the slideshow and you can just about smell the "success"..


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7751200/
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:35 AM
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11. Time to go back to "body count," then.
It worked so well in the First Viet Nam.

:eyes:
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:10 AM
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12. After the photographer's story and photos,
"Instantly Orphaned" by Chris Hondros, have been seen by enough people, the the anti-war movement in this country will increase.







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