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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:16 AM
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US calls on help to contain Venezuela’s “destabilizing role”
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The United States government asked Venezuela's neighbouring countries to take into account the "destabilizing role" the Caracas government is playing in the region.

Replying to a question about Venezuelan arms purchases, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Washington had "called attention to Venezuela's destabilizing role in the region”.

”In the various reports and events ... whether it's buying arms ...or some of the people who have been taking refugee (there) ...we’ve seen that Venezuela ... is playing a destabilizing role".

President Bush administration openly objects to Venezuela's plans to purchase assault rifles and military helicopters from Russia as well as to the deal announced this week involving Spanish naval patrol vessels and transport aircraft.

Mr. Boucher also reiterated U.S. criticism of the Chavez administration domestic “populist” policies.

http://www.falkland-malvinas.com/Detalle.asp?NUM=5380


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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:18 AM
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1. oh I get it
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 11:18 AM by sui generis
HEY YOU DOWN THERE - please invade Venezuela for us. We'll send money.

:eyes:

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:20 AM
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2. How dare Venezuala keep us from stealing their oil! n/t
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:22 AM
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3. LOL, I think Venezuela's neighboring countries
have already spoken on this by signing trade agreements, solidifying alliances within their sphere of influence and working to end the US influence in Central and South America.

What the bush admin won't admit is that they have NO credibility with the rest of the world and any call for 'help' is responded to by a shrug and a 'whatever'.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:25 PM
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16. China, India, Russia, Brazil, Iran
and not necessarily in that order :-)

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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:24 AM
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4. Populist policies - God No!!!!
Doesn't that by definition mean policies that help the people? How dare they help their own people instead of our U.S. corporations? The only ones destabilizing the region is us with our reckless speech and track record of wacko foreign policy.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:54 PM
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23. I've argued this on DU with Americans before

A lot of DUers use populist to mean "in the interest of the populace", but here in the UK at any rate that's not what the term is used to denote - populist means "pandering to the lowest common denominator": crack down on asylum seekers, be tough on crime, raise spending and lower taxes, bread and circuses - and is usually although not exclusively rightwing. It's also used to describe politicians who make a point of appearing to be "men of the people", usually with the implicit implication that it's an act. George W Bush is a good example of a populist politician, at least in the UK sense.

I believe that in the US, the Populist party was a left-wing group based around the principle that politics should be for the populace, not just for the politicians, but I think that even in the US, their and your use of the term is atypical - I think the sense meant here is the one I'm using, and I agree that it's in general a bad thing, although I think Chavez has other strengths which make up for it, (one principal one being that the Venezuelans voted for him).
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 03:21 PM
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31. Interesting, I hadn't heard that
The populist party in America was a midwest/plain states movement. I can only remember 2 goals they had though there may have been other minor points of their platform 1. Silver coinage to create inflation and help get people(especially farmers) out of debt. 2. To breakup or regulate the railroad monopoly. This might have been somewhat self serving but I can't see it as pandering. Baseless rhetoric like "a chicken in every pot" would seem more like pandering to me. It almost sounds like that's the cynical version of the definition. Anyways, I had never heard "populism" used like that. I suppose you also call it a flat when it's obviously an apartment and a lift when it's clearly an elevator :)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:30 AM
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5. litlle known fact------
china is broadcasting in spainish...watched a chinese cooking show last night in spainish on the dish network. it was on the same set of channel numbers as univision and the rest of the spainish language stations. i guess we are not the big kid on the block anymore...
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:30 AM
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6. Man talk about projection
Who tried to overthrow who's government with a coup? Eh? Who funded a drive for a new election when that didn't work.

The shamelessness of these bozo's never fails to amaze me. I suppose that's good since that means I am not jaded.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:51 AM
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7. Who would fall for this?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:31 PM
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20. Columbia perhaps
Behind Israel and Egypt, Columbia is next in line getting a ton of our foreign aid money.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:57 AM
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8. Did anyone see "McLaughlin Group"
last Sunday?

They did a pretty good piece about Chavez and John asked if the "destabilizing" concerns are realistic.

Tony and Pat, of course, said they were.

John told them they were wrong though. It was pretty amusing.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:18 PM
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29. I saw that segment, too
Was that the segment where McLaughlin iterated three pages of unpopular *bush policies whilst his popularity did plummet. McLaughlin said: "Don't interrupt 'til I'm done, Tony!".
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:22 PM
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32. Yeah, that's the one.
When Tony's turn finally came, he said something like, "I could make a list of...blah, blah, blah," and I thought, "Yeah, but you'd be lying!"

It was a classic segment!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:58 AM
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9. (as I'm watching this with great interest)
The interesting thing here will be the rhetoric from Washington. Notice how the veil becomes thinner. What can they say next? That Chavez is a threat? To Bush and his cronies, he most definitely is.

But how to turn it around, and make him the Bad Guy of "democracy". I noticed here they're using the rhetoric of "destabilizing role". The word "populist" is really lame. That will simly not work. They've got to pull out some words with more punch.

Condaloser Rice recently called him a "strong man", but the description is amazingly lacking in details. For a good reason. There's not much they can say about him without sounding like idiots and revealing their true intentions.

Pull out your Roget's Thesaurus, guys, and try a little harder.

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petron Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:59 AM
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10. I see
Protecting one's self against the US = Destabilizing the region

Only the US Gov. can get away with logic so fucked up.

And as usual, the article has no opposing views. I guess the opinions of Venezuelans is irrelevant. Way to go MercoPress, keep the news one-sided.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:29 PM
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19. How many times has TortureBoy said it's okay for Israel to *protect*
itself against terrorism, but not Venezuela?? F*ck'n HYPOCRITE Bushistas.

:banghead:
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 11:59 AM
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11. The National Endowment for Democracy is
is back and up to its old tricks again.
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/ned.htm

You may also be aware that shortly after the 2002 coup, the State Department gave the NED a $1 million special fund that was distributed to organizations in Venezuela, some of whose leaders supported the coup and even participated in the coup government. This has been widely documented. To any outside observer, these grants appear to financially reward those individuals involved in illegal and anti-constitutional activities aimed at overthrowing our democratic government and replacing it with a dictatorship.
http://www.anti-imperialist.org/venezuela-ned-letter_11-20-04.htm

In March 31 remarks before the OAS Permanent Council, Maisto defended the efforts of the NED in Venezuela and worldwide while rejecting charges by Venezuelan ambassador to the OAS Jorge Valero that the United States has employed the NED to support anti-democratic activities in Venezuela aimed at ousting President Hugo Chavez.
"I will not waste the council's time with a detailed response to the repeated absurdities coming from Venezuelan officials," Maisto said. "My government is proud to promote democracy and democratic institutions in the hemisphere. In fact, Mr. Chair, my government supports efforts aimed at strengthening democracy and democratic institutions not only in Venezuela, but worldwide."
http://usinfo.state.gov/dhr/Archive/2004/Apr/02-266403.html

Over the years the NED has been particularly active in Central America, with projects as well in the Philippines and Eastern Europe. They've also focused a lot of organizational support on the Cuban exile community. The NED describes itself as a "private, nonprofit, grant-making organization created in 1983 to strengthen democratic institutions around the world." This description doesn't do the organization justice. In reality, throughout the 1980s the NED helped turn Central America into low-intensity killing-fields.
<snip>
A CIA surrogate
In 1991, Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing the NED, pointed out that "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA." At the Third World Traveler Web site, an excerpt from William Blum's book "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" (Common Courage Press, 2000), reminds us that in the years just prior to the NED's founding, Washington was a-buzz with several major investigations going on simultaneously into the shenanigans of the Central Intelligence Agency. These included the Church committee of the Senate, the Pike committee of the House, and the Rockefeller Commission, created by the president."

"The idea was that the NED would do somewhat overtly what the CIA had been doing covertly for decades," Blum writes, "and thus, hopefully, eliminate the stigma associated with CIA covert activities. It was a masterpiece. Of politics, of public relations, and of cynicism."
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=11645

See also:
http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/vin_weber.htm

INTERNATIONAL FREE PRESS AND OPEN MEDIA ACT OF 2004
.... The committee notes that the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a non-governmental organization, has been providing excellent work in the field of human rights and democratic institution building. The NED was founded in 1983 and recognized by Congress in the National Endowment of Democracy Act (P.L. 98-164)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/T?&report=sr246&dbname=cp108&

On the day the Senate approved the conference report, articles of incorporation were filed in the District of Columbia on behalf of the National Endowment for Democracy. The Endowment was established as a nonprofit organization under section 501c (3) of the Internal Revenue Service Code.
http://www.ned.org/about/nedhistory.html

Does NED only fund groups opposed to the ruling party in Venezuela?
http://www.ned.org/grants/venezuelaFacts.html

As a 501(c)3 organization, the NED's list of grantees is open to public inspection. The NED doles out over 300 grants per year, with the average grant amount topping $50,000. The four biggest recipients, by far, are the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the AFL-CIO-affiliated American Center for International Labor Solidarity, and the pro-business Center for International Private Enterprise.
<snip>
The most common complaint is that the NED's money only goes to support movements and politicians that fit into the United States' foreign-policy objectives, regardless of whether those who receive the money engage in undemocratic campaigns. Most recently, the left assailed the NED for its indirect support of Venezuelan groups that were active in attempts to overthrow democratically elected President Hugo Chavez.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2094293/

IRC section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in the amount of political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For further information regarding lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information regarding political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.
http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=96099,00.html

So, there you have it.
US tax dollars at work.
Incidentally, this model was so successful that the Republicans have now adapted it to internal politics. Most of the rightwing organizations that are working to destablize democracy within the US, are themselves also 501(c)(3) tax exempt entities that draw much of their monies directly from the US taxpayer. In other words, the US is financing its own demise as a democratic nation.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:03 PM
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12. Incidentally
Wolfowitz's main squeeze was a big shot in the NED
before she moved over to the World Bank
to await the coming of the Wolf.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:05 PM
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14. the coming of the wolf
ouch
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:18 PM
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15. Bereshit
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 12:19 PM by DulceDecorum
27 Benjamin is a wolf that raveneth; in the morning he devoureth the prey, and at even he divideth the spoil.'
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Genesis49.html

Next to Joseph, he was his favorite son.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/benjamin1.html

What tribe is Wolfowitz?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:28 PM
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18. Oh, Jeez.... That's just swell, isn't it? An economic terrorist
as his beloved. Someone who tries to pave the way to chaos by engaging in destabilization attempts on popular governments, using our hard-earned tax dollars.....

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:05 PM
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13. Oh and Richard
your fuckwad boss is playing a destabilizing role for the planet, you moran
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:27 PM
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17. Destabilizing = Democracy
Democracy = Fascism

I am so confused?!

:shrug:
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:33 PM
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21. they can fucking say and do whatever they want courtesy of diebold
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 12:37 PM
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22. Continued saber rattling by proxy.....
come on guys , join OUR gang , we got bigger guns.
When the gloves finally come off , IT'S ABOUT THE OIL STUPID !
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:02 PM
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24. If you are a Fascist,
an extremely wealthy landowner, a Corporatist, a proponent of Right Wing Police States to protect the ultra rich, top 1per cent plutocrat.....then Chavez is indeed destabilizing.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:30 PM
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25. This would be closer to the truth...
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 01:30 PM by Solon
The Venezuelan government asked America's neighbouring countries to take into account the "destabilizing role" Washington is playing in the region.

Replying to a question about American oil purchases, Foriegn Affairs Minister Jesús Arnaldo Pérez said Caracas had "called attention to America's destabilizing role in the region”.

”In the various reports and events ... whether it's buying oil ...or some of the people who have been taking refugee (there) ...we’ve seen that the United States ... is playing a destabilizing role".

President Chavez's administration openly objects to America's plans to purchase yet more oil from Saudi Arabia as well as to the hostility displayed against Iran and Venezuela in recent weeks.

Mr. Pérez also reiterated Venezuelan criticism of the Bush administration's domestic fascist policies.


OK so I changed it a little, but at the very least, this is much closer to the truth in reporting, also corrected some grammar from the original article.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:55 PM
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26. Venezuela, Frustrated by the U.S., Turns to Containment
Enjoy!! :bounce:

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After years of vitriolic rhetoric on the part of United States leaders, the government of Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez has decided on a policy of containment of the U.S. "We recognize the U.S. government as having been elected through a fairly democractic process, despite unanswered questions as to the validity of the last two presidential elections," said a high-ranking Venezuelan foreign ministry spokesperson, speaking on background, "and we look forward to having the U.S. play a constructive and mature role in the development of the Americas."

Venezuelan political and military experts have long been dismayed by the fiery populist language of U.S. president George W. Bush, a man not known for subtlety of analysis. Using concepts of class struggle and religious fundamentalism, Bush in his first term of office brought about a sharp division of his nation into separate and competing blocks of "red" and "blue" states, generating a wide arc of instability stretching from the East to the West coast, and reaching as far as Hawaii in the Pacific and Puerto Rico in the Caribbean.

The experts concur that Mr. Bush has championed policies that favor the rich--whom Mr. Bush refers to as "our base"--for electoral as well as ideological reasons. They also point to a growing lack of democratic rights within the U.S., justified by Mr. Bush on the grounds of national security. "It's true that Bush adroitly works through apparently democratic processes, aided by Washington grey emminence Karl Rove and a compliant Congress and Supreme Court, but the content of what he does is profoundly undemocratic. We are concerned about the direction of the country," pointed out political scientist Edgardo López Matas, of the Caracas-based think tank Venezuelan State Enterprise Institute.

Military leaders, on their part, express their concern about the unrestrained arms buildup by the Bush administration, noting that ideologists within the latter openly discuss their plans for world domination based on overwhelming military superiority. A study produced by members of the Venezuelan Defense Advisory Council has questioned the need for large-scale U.S. increases in the production of equipment such as small arms, personnel carriers, military communications gear, and helicopters, poiting out that these are likely to be distributed around the region, provoking a dangerous arms race, as well as ending up wih illegal groups, threatening elected governments in the Southern Hemisphere.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1410

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:04 PM
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27. LOVE IT!!!! n/t
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:15 PM
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28. What a great article,,,and I wish this part was true
At the same time, the multi-party Venezuelan National Endowment for Popular Democracy (NEPD) has announced that it proposes to continue to fund democratic forces in the U.S. that will work as part of civil society to combat Mr. Bush, within the parameters of democratic institution-building. The charter of the NPED call for it to provide funds and technical assistance in countries where the government denies the democractic will of the majority.

The NPED has been interested especially in helping to break the hold of the big media corporations on news and opinions, in the manner in which the Bush government has trumped scientific studies with ideological positions, and in the lack of effective political participation by the people of the U.S.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:45 PM
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30. Bush, his minions, and shills, are shit out of luck
No one listens to them, except the US-State-contolled-corporate-media, alias MSM.

Here's a good source for Central and South American news:

http://americas.org/


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