Iran 'nears bomb production'

[lovuian]

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=8adab967ef428af9&cat=c08dd24cec417021

Iran 'nears bomb production'
By Hugh Schofield in Paris
February 04, 2005
IRAN has obtained the materials and expertise to make the triggers for an atomic bomb, bringing closer its goal of acquiring nuclear weapons later this year, the main Iranian opposition grouping said in Paris today.

Citing secret sources inside Iran's nuclear development program, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said Tehran has produced or bought from abroad quantities of polonium-210 and beryllium - two elements required for building a "neutron initiator".

It has also developed the know-how to make a "neutron generator" which is another key part of the neutron initiator, the NCRI said.

A neutron initiator starts the chain reaction that leads to nuclear fission, and along with the nuclear fuel and the delivery system is an essential part of an atomic bomb.

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Its tick tock tick tock!!! Countdown!!!!!!!

[Davis_X_Machina]

1. The obvious lesson was drawn.

Iraq, with no bomb, and no program, was invaded.
North Korea, with some bombs, and an active program, is safe as houses.

George Bush is as much an agent of proliferation as A.Q. Khan.

[TomClash]

8. And lest we forget . . .

The Palestinians, with no Bomb, get slaughtered.

The Pakistanis, with the Bomb, are staunch allies in the War on Terror.

The moral of the story is: GET THE BOMB.

[demnan]

2. Yeah we'll be seeing this kind of stuff all over the news

for the next 6 months before the invasion.

[7th_Sephiroth]

4. HA!

more like 6 weeks, L.A. go boom then the draft breezes through

[mattclearing]

9. Invasion of Iran is suicide.

They'd have to be even crazier than we think.

[flaminbats]

17. nahhh, he's just the nation builder in chief..

why else would American taxpayers spend trillians more on the military than all the others do combined?

[atreides1]

18. They Are Crazier Than We Think

[Joe for Clark]

25. Thats right.

I understand, with some experience, it takes between 6 and 9 months for the US to get a rifle company in the field.

I think one can basically count backwards and figure just when this "Gulf of Tonkin" type incident is going to occur (or Bush is going to pull), and consequently when the draft starts.

I think it is going to be a very bleak Springtime here.

Joe for Clark

[7th_Sephiroth]

3. also they have nigerean yellowcake

[bluestateguy]

5. I don't want Iran to have a bomb, but it's a containable problem

Iran, unlike Al Qaeda, is a nation state, meaning that it can more easily be held accountable for its actions than a multi-national, clandestine terrorist group. So Iran has one--probably small--bomb. Surely they know that using a bomb on Israel or the US would result in Iran's own destruction. I don't think Iran is that fanatical or insane. In this case the old Cold War doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction works. I favor weapons inspections and diplomacy to prevent a nuclear armed Iran, but even if they develop a few crude bombs, I can't say that a preemptive invasion and occupation would be wise. It would be extraordinarily stupid.

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[bluestateguy]

26. Do you even read anything I wrote?

Try taking a course in Introduction to International Relations and then we can talk.

Sometimes I think people should have to pass a test to be allowed to vote.

[egoprofit]

20. agreed

:thumbsup:

[gasperc]

6. oh, I thought it read "Iran nears getting bombed"

coincidental that the government's policy towards Iran has been a complete failure in terms of preventing weapons production.

But now provides ample cover to go to the UN with complaints of Iranian treaty violations and the necessity for military action against Iran, yadda, yadda, yadda

It'll be the summer of malcontent

[Kikosexy2]

7. this calls...

for yellow cake celebration!

[egoprofit]

21. please what is yellowcake?? yummy!!

[Kikosexy2]

30. Don't...

eat the yellow snow.

[NYC]

37. Yellow Cake, a form of uranium.

http://www.chemcases.com/2003version/nuclear/nc-06.htm

Uranium is present in the Earth’s crust at an average concentration of 2 parts per million. Acidic rocks with high silicate, such as granite, have higher than average concentrations of uranium, while sedimentary and basic rocks have lower than average concentrations. Uranite or pitchblende (U3-O8-), the most common uranium-containing ores, are mixtures of UO2 (basic) and UO3 (amphoteric) oxides. The richest ores are found in the western United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa, the former Soviet Union, and Zaire (the former Belgian Congo). The concentration of U3O8 in ores can vary from 0.5% in Australian ores to 20% in Canadian ores.

Lots more at link, if you want it.

Edit: I had to add - - to the U3O8 to prevent an angel from appearing.

(U3O8) is what happens after "pitchblende" if I don't add hyphens.

[lumpy]

10. The National Council of Resistance

of Iran is the bearer of this latest information. You don't suppose this is propaganda BS perpetrated by political opponents of the present Iranian government? Haven't heard from any other 'Iranian experts' have we?

[MrPrax]

15. You notice that too...

A obscure news service ?

An intel-backed 'Iraqi Congress' type outfit ?

People still being fooled by this crap...

Makes one wonder why the Rummy and his special teams bother to infiltrate Iran, when they could just e-mail these guys and get the 'poop' direct from their 'sources' inside what must, surely, be one of the most secure militay research programmes in the world...

Now where was that article about floating 'propaganda' on foreign news sources, so that it will be 'echo'ed' by domestic disseminators...

[psychopomp]

29. "one of the most secure militay research programmes in the world"

Well, our Manhattan project was penetrated, some say all the way to the highest level. We know that this is how the Soviets managed to get the bomb.

[MrPrax]

35. Good point...

but in today's world, nuclear secrets are hardly 'secret' (come on down Dr. Kahn) and the Manhatten Project didn't have international inspections...

The Iranian program is hardly secret, hardly innovative and definitely has a lot of attention.

My point is that it's unlikely that 'detailed' information regarding 'progress' towards actually building one, will be directly 'leaked' to some exile group living in Paris. Sounds more like propaganda to take the idea of a 'second' war in the ME to a higher emotional level.

Maybe I was being a little too flippant, but I am *sure* the Iranians probably do have nukes in the works.

I presume that the 'leak' is being released to *we*, the People, not through bookstore drop-offs by idealistic/stupid communists, but widely reported by on foreign new services.

(Oh I don't think any of the information that the Soviets got--hindered or helped their development of nuclear technology--few do actually)

[Supersedeas]

22. Pentagon version of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress for Iran

[daleo]

27. Probably headed by Chalabi's brother-in-law.

Once Judith Miller starts parroting this stuff, you know the end is near.

[mulethree]

32. Certified Terrorists

Not that it means they aren't financed by the CIA or by Khashoggi types or 'vanished' CPA money. Expats with inside knowledge? Like Chalibi's insider info on WMD's.


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2003/23311.htm

Designation of National Council of Resistance and National Council of Resistance of Iran under Executive Order 13224


The Secretary of State has amended the designation, under Executive Order 13224 on terrorist financing, of the Mujahedin-e Khalq, known as the MEK, to add its aliases National Council of Resistance (NCR) and National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI). That Executive Order blocks the assets of organizations and individuals linked to terrorism. The decision also clarifies that the designation includes the U.S. representative office of NCRI and all its other offices worldwide, and that the designation of the People’s Mujahedin of Iran (“PMOI”) as an alias of the MEK includes the PMOI’s U.S. representative office and all other offices worldwide.

The Secretary of State designated the MEK as a foreign terrorist organization in 1997
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[lovuian]

11. Iran nears bomb production with nuclear trigger capacity: opposition group

the article
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=578e74690e811183&cat=c08dd24cec417021

[Roland99]

12. You can bet Musharraf is starting to sweat

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

14. main opposition group?

Like the Iranian equivalent of Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress?

Here we go again...

[Strelnikov_]

24. Yep, Intelligence From Them Eye-Raki Opposition Groups Worked So Well

Gotta hand it to these guys though (the Iranian group), they observe and learn how to get others to do their bidding.

More than we can say for the Great Leader (His Vision, Our Path).

[The Stranger]

16. I'll bet Paul Wolfowitz . . .

. . . the main Iranian opposition grouping said in Paris today.

. . . has some friends in Paris?

[rooboy]

19. Another bunch of bs from Wolfowitz and his comb lickers. n/t

[KoKo]

23. They have a right to defend themselves. Look what happened

to Iraq... We didn't invade North Korea, India, Pakistan, Israel, Russia. We invaded countries who can't defend themselves. I wish no one had nuclear weapons but we can't claim to own all the worlds defenses just for ourselves when we have the "Doctrine of Pre-Emptive Strike" in operation. :shrug:

[jdj]

28. "Bomb and spend" republicans are all het up on Iran lately, aren't they?

hmmmm

[sweetheart]

31. I hope they take a lesson from lubbock and rocky flats

Bomb production is a toxic waste business, and can toxify a site
irreparably, that the long term costs of cleanup grow in to the billions
and billions. At least i hope they put the facilities in places where
the toxic mess won't hurt their civilians. Rocky flats is way tooo close
to a population center... as are other of the US nuclear bomb making
toxic dumps.

The US has been making and losing! atomic bombs for half a century now.
The lesson seems to be, that its a good way to waste a lot of money
on a bunch of toxic crap that never ever gets used. Were all the
warheads in the US arsenal fakes, and 1/10th the money spent, on a huge
charade, we'd all be the wiser for having the cash for our schools
and roads. That they're real is the really pathetic part, and hopefully
the iranian people will keep their arsenal just large enough to deterr
evil nations like the US, and no larger... as the lesson of nukes is that
you never use them, they cost a bundle, and only kill domestic civilians
with toxic mess.

[DainBramaged]

33. I have a feeling 'bignewsnetwork' may have Con leanings

I couldn't find anything positive, but while Googling, it seems the Freepers reference them as much as we reference the UK papers.

[niceypoo]

34. They said the same thing about IRAQ

"Saddam wants to destroy America" Then nothing zero, nada, zilch.

[abandon_ship]

36. musical version of "Ayatollah Express" opens later this month