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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:59 PM
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Democrats United in Plans To Block Top Bush Initiatives -WP (!)
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 11:00 PM by Rose Siding
As President Bush prepares for his second term, Democrats in Washington and around the country are organizing for a year of confrontation and resistance, saying they are determined to block Bush's major initiatives and thereby deny him the mandate he has claimed from his reelection victory last November.

The Democrats' mood and posture represent a contrast to that of four years ago, after Bush's disputed victory over Al Gore. Then, despite anger and bitterness over how the 2000 election ended, Democrats were tentative and initially open to Bush's calls for bipartisan cooperation. Today, despite Bush's clear win over Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), Democrats across the ideological spectrum say they are united in their desire to fight.
...
But the unity of purpose also underscores a hardening of attitudes among Democrats -- from elected officials and strategists to grass-roots activists and party constituencies -- that Bush's domestic agenda presents opportunities to divide the GOP, break apart Bush's winning coalition and recapture some of the voters who supported Bush last fall.

Democrats said they see opportunities on Social Security, where Bush wants to partially privatize the system by allowing younger workers to divert payroll taxes to personal accounts; judicial appointments, where both sides are gearing up for a clash over a possible Supreme Court vacancy; and revising the tax code. Bush may find his best chance to win Democratic votes for his call to limit medical malpractice lawsuits.
Bush has opened the year with calls for bipartisanship, telling newly elected members of Congress last week that he hoped to work across party lines to solve the country's problems. Democrats, however, appear to have little interest in building bridges to the White House, saying they do not believe Bush is genuinely interested in cooperation or compromise with the opposition.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61686-2005Jan9.html

Great quotes- read the whole thing. :)
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:03 PM
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1. If true, good for them. As for Bush--"calls for bipartisanship"?!?
Didn't he look forward to working with those who support his goals? That's what passes for bipartisanship?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:06 PM
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5. That's what they're saying!
Robert Menendez (N.J.): "The president's idea of bipartisanship is, 'Here's what I want to do, join me,' "
...
Harken: "Usually when you win you try to be magnanimous," he said. "But everything we've heard from the president is, 'I've got a mandate,' 'I've got all this political capital,' and 'We'll work with you as long as you agree with us.' Well, wait a minute, you mean we have to agree to everything before they'll work with us. That's a non-starter."
...
and Dodd and Emanuel...this is a good start!
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:07 PM
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6. It is about f**king time!!!
But that stupid letter from Kerry sure didn't sound like he wanted confrontation. Let's all write a letter to Delay and Hasturt. He had better get over that one fast.
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Born Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:33 AM
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30. don't get your hopes up
this isn't the first time Democrats claimed they would stand up, and every other time the elected leaders scrambled to hide under their desks. Tough talk is just that, I will believe it when I see it.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:39 AM
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31. there are still a few Dems begging for acceptance by the
corporate facists.
Certain prominent Dems in the house and Senate are bound to keep bending over as they have in the past.

Ever wonder why some of them still believe that the Pugs will like them one day if they keep kissing ass?

These weeds must be uprooted and replaced by new ones with backbone--or we may see Chimp's face on the 100 dollar bill soon-

make that the 1 dollar bill, the 5 dollar bill, the ten dollar bill, the 20 dollar bill, the fifty dollar bill, and the 100 dollar bill--all of them--
And expect Chimp's face on Mount Rushmore...
and a major street in every city will have his name.
They will add a required class the the high school ciriculum- Bush's Conquests
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hilster Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:05 PM
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2. how would
limiting malpractice lawsuits benefit the Democratic voters?

If I'm correct in my knowledge of malpractice etc., it benefits whoever was screwed by their doctor.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:10 PM
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9. It is worse than limiting malpractice
It is also taking all the teeth out of the FDA. So a lousy drug can really harm you, the FDA looks the other way and gives its approval, and you can't sue. The public gets screwed going and coming. Welcome to Bushworld.
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Rican1 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:05 PM
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3. What the hell is wrong with the Post
"deny him the mandate" and "despite Bush's clear win over Sen. John F. Kerry"
What mandate and clear win are they talking about.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 06:56 AM
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34. The WP has these mind games they like to play with their readers.
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 06:57 AM by w4rma
That is one of the mind games making the rounds, now.
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texanshatingbush Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:35 AM
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40. Right - 51% is a SQUEAKER, not a mandate ! n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:16 AM
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41. It's a clear win when Bush does not lose the popular vote...
...and have to have the Supreme Court intervene to give him a tiny electoral college victory.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:44 AM
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44. He was awarded a mandate by the states where no one lives
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:06 PM
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4. Wow, thank you for posting this.
It sounds like they are in it with us. They sound as determined as we want them to be in fighting the Bush regime...

best quote:
Sen. Tom Harkin (Iowa), one of the most combative Democrats in Congress, accused Bush of "throwing down the gauntlet" since winning reelection. "Usually when you win you try to be magnanimous," he said. "But everything we've heard from the president is, 'I've got a mandate,' 'I've got all this political capital,' and 'We'll work with you as long as you agree with us.' Well, wait a minute, you mean we have to agree to everything before they'll work with us. That's a non-starter."
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:08 PM
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7. I hope Greenberg's assessment of the grassroots is accurate...
snip>
Grass-roots Democrats feed the appetite to battle Bush, giving Democratic leaders in Washington more incentive to challenge the president. "I've been struck how funders and groups like MoveOn are very engaged and are not letting up at all," said Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg.

Four years ago, he said, Democrats pulled back, but this time there is pressure from the grass roots to continue the fight. "Democrats took a licking , but see themselves back in the battle," Greenberg said. "I don't think outside forces will allow Democrats to disengage."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:09 PM
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:14 PM
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10. I just love seeing the part about "grassroots activists"
over and over. We can make a difference, and we will.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 06:38 AM
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32. I hope so
I'm reminded of the old saying, "There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader."

But these people are going to go where we PUSH them to go. Left to their own devices, many of them would soon be wandering over and getting in line to adhere their lips to boosh's derriere.

These people work for US. They occasionally need to be reminded of it.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:09 PM
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46. Fool me once...
we won't get fooled again!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:15 PM
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11. It's about time
Not one blade of grass for Bush. Nothing.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:17 PM
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12. A Political Capitol! What a nice idea! eom
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:20 PM
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13. Good for them- I hope its true.
My cynical side says this will last until Bush attacks someone else- then they will all fall back in line. I hope not...

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:09 AM
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14. I think that the important thing is that WE don't fall back in line.
Remember, our letters to Barbara Boxer worked!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:04 PM
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45. *We* as in the base or DUers are always steadfast.
True- *We* are never the problem.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:11 AM
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15. * can take his 'mandte' and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Good for the 'real' Democratic lawmakers. Don't give these assholes one inch.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 02:23 AM
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26. is that a photo of Searchlight, Nevada? Reid's home town??
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:15 AM
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37. Rochester ghost town right near Lovelock.
Pretty easy to get to this site but make sure you have 4x4 because it got me out of soft mud twice on that road.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:14 AM
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16. I'll believe it when I see it.
And if I see it, I'll cheer it.

But--and if I may be allowed to mix my metaphors--it will take many sit-ups before these jellyfish prove they've grown spines.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:07 AM
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19. Same here and thanks for throwing in those words of caution
eom
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:14 AM
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27. They're politicians
for the most part they are scum sucking vermin. We are the ones who must tell them what to do. We're the ones who developed the backbone and we are the ones who must continue to remind them of their duty to us.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:16 AM
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17. "Clear win"? What clear win? I didn't see a clear win.
Did you see a clear win? Is that like the Clear Skies? :eyes:

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:33 AM
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18. finally...after four years of waiting
If Democrats had blocked Bush's tax cuts, opposed the Iraqi war, and fought the Patriot Act..many who voted for Bush would have seen him as ineffective and supported Kerry.

Regardless of how Democrats feel about Bush's agenda, exposing it only weakens Bush. Republican incumbents may try to paint Democrats as unpatriotic obstructionists..whom many Republican voters, knowing their party has not delivered, will ultimately support.
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Socalledsocal Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:07 AM
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20. It is time things started to change. n/t
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:12 AM
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21. mmmmmm k.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:13 AM
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:24 AM
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23. Me too!!!
I am watching Social Security defending closely... I want to see "Democrats" come together and fight this one as of it is our last breath we are taking!!!!!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:24 AM
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24. Simply expose the duplicity of chimp's statements
This is rarely done, and even the most stupid republican will eventually figure it out.
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thedailyshow Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:31 AM
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25. Talk is cheap.
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Amigust Donating Member (568 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:34 AM
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28. Believe what they DO, not what they say. n/t
Edited on Mon Jan-10-05 03:36 AM by Amigust
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:30 AM
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29. if Dems oppose bush* -- they must be crazy
help is on the way from FRIST and drug companies...

Opposing Bush: A Form of Mental Illness?
January 07, 2005
http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/index.php?p=485


When the 109th Congress convenes in Washington in January, Senator Bill Frist, the first practicing physician elected to the Senate since 1928, plans to file a bill that would define ‘political paranoia' as a mental disorder, paving the way for individuals who suffer from paranoid delusions regarding voter fraud, political persecution and FBI surveillance to receive Medicare reimbursement for any psychiatric treatment they receive," writes Hermione Slatkin, Medical Correspondent for the Swift Report. "Rick Smith, a spokesman for Senator Frist, says that the measure has a good chance of passing -- something that can only help a portion of the population that is suffering significant distress."

"If you're still convinced that President Bush won the election because Republicans figured out a way to hack into electronic voting machines, you've obviously got a problem," says Smith. "If we can figure out a way to ease your suffering by getting you into therapy and onto medication, that's something that we hope the entire 109th Congress will support."


Characterizing political dissent as a form of mental illness is the hallmark of authoritarian government. In China, for instance, forensic psychiatrists label dissent "political lunacy" (see Jacob Sullum, Head Games: What are the rules for defining mental illness?) and in Soviet Russia political dissenters were routinely cosigned to mental hospitals. Nowadays, with modern pharmacology, mental hospitals are no longer required -- the mental hospital is internalized through chemical intervention.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 06:47 AM
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33. Any non-blog links supporting this assertion?
Cause this is the scariest single thing I've read in a long time.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:28 AM
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42. It's satire
Hooked me for a minute too, but it's a joke
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Cherie59 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:25 AM
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35. "Despite Bush's clear win"?????????????? I don't agree with that part.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 07:27 AM
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36. I have hopes---'desire' can go a long way:-)


.....Four years ago, he said, Democrats pulled back, but this time there is pressure from the grass roots to continue the fight. "Democrats took a licking , but see themselves back in the battle," Greenberg said. "I don't think outside forces will allow Democrats to disengage."

For all their talk of challenging Bush, Senate Democrats are unlikely to mount serious opposition to the president's nominee for attorney general, White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales, in spite of his role in shaping legal policies on torture and interrogation methods. Gonzales is expected to win confirmation without difficulty, both sides predict, and some Democrats said they believe it is a mistake to let him sail through so easily.

Nor are Democrats well organized yet to challenge Bush effectively. House Democrats represent an ineffective force in a body tightly controlled by the GOP majority. Senate Democrats are adjusting to new leadership, with the office of Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) likely to become the focal point for coordinating Democratic strategy. The Democratic National Committee must pick a new leader to replace outgoing chairman Terrence R. McAuliffe before the national party can provide real help.

Already there is grumbling among strategists that the party is falling behind the White House and congressional Republicans in developing a strategy. In the end, they acknowledge, Democrats may have more desire than capacity to defeat Bush's agenda, but as Bush's second term begins, the battle lines in Washington are being clearly drawn.


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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:29 AM
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38. Baloney
They had their chance to endorse a major, if symbolic, block by standing with Conyers and Pelosi. They caved, and will continue to cave.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:33 AM
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39. Here's what I think will happen
on each issue the majority of democrats will take the correct position, but in each debate 1, 2, or 3 influential democrats will break ranks, like Barbara Boxer did with the medicare drug plan.

The democratic strategy is to maintain the illusion of a two party system.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:40 AM
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43. Status Quo in the Matrix:
-Bush had a "clear win"
-John Kerry "desire(s)" fight
-Dems "united" to block top Bush initiatives

(sorry, all I seem to be able to muster up is cynicism)
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:13 PM
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47. That's good.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:52 PM
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48. Screw bipartisanship. Newt shut down the government. Time to fight.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:55 PM
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49. 19 reasons (&growing) why Bush's SS plan sucks....
I keep adding to this as associated with sources.

I intend this to be a program of innoculation: get ready for the Rovian media blitz.



19 REASONS WHY PRESIDENT BUSH'S PLAN FOR SOCIAL SECURITY IS A BAD IDEA AND IN FACT IS MISLEADING : (WAYS TO INNOCULATE YOURSELF AGAINST THE ONCOMING MEDIA BLITZ):



1. WHO WANTS THE CHANGE? Wall Street wants privatization in order reap a windfall profit. Everyone else should be very suspicious. If the stock market goes down, your benefits go down.


2. WHO IN BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION IS DRIVING THE MATTER? Karl Rove, Bush's right hand man: He is attempting to convince the public that Social Security is 'heading for an iceberg." ) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6791950)


3. WHY WOULD KARL ROVE WANT TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY? Rove sees it as : “one of the most important conservative undertakings of modern times,....“We need to establish in the public mind a key fiscal fact: right now we are on an unsustainable course,” the e-mail said. “That reality needs to be seared into the public consciousness; it is the precondition to authentic reform.....government and toward giving greater power and responsibility to individuals,” said Wehner, the director of White House Strategic Initiatives. " Who is this Wehner? : Peter Wehner, the deputy to White House political director Karl Rove. Thus, Rove is attempting to continue the line of 'getting government out of your lives' which is a recipe to allow corporations unbridled power and individuals no retirement through Social Security. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/679195


4. WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE RE: THIS PRIVATIZATION EFFORTS PER BUSH/ ROMER/ THE REPUBLICANS? : "Revamping the system to allow investment accounts would not shore up the future finances and would make the financial picture worse. The administration is considering borrowing $1 trillion to $2 trillion to continue paying benefits to current retirees while tax revenue is diverted into personal accounts, called transition costs, Wehner's e mail said (this e mail was verified by the White House). Separately, to address the future financial shortfall, the administration is looking at plans to cut future promised benefits, by 46 percent in some cases, with investments expected to make up the difference."


5. WHO ELSE UNDERLINES THAT THIS IS WHAT WOULD ACTUALLY OCCUR? : " The real impact of President Bush's Social Security privatization scheme: massive cuts in promised benefits. The White House is expected to propose a new system of calculating Social Security benefits called "price indexing." The technical change would mean "cutting promised benefits by nearly a third in the coming decades" – with even deeper cuts in the future. For example, if the "price indexing" change is made, "a retiree in 2075 would receive 54 percent of the benefits now promised." David C. John, a Social Security expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation called the proposal "very much like sticking your hand in a wasp nest.": American Progress Action Fund" <[email protected]


6. WHAT ARE SOME POINTS THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO HEAR FROM BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS? Talk about: PRICE INDEXING?: The current method of calculating Social Security benefits is adjusted to reflect the standard of living when a person retires. That means when your benefits are calculated based on your average earnings, the salary you made 25 years ago is adjusted upwards to reflect the overall rise in wages (wage growth) since that time. The "price indexing" plan, expected to be proposed by Bush, would make that adjustment based on the rise of consumer prices – essentially the inflation rate. Since wages rise much faster than inflation, that means your newly adjusted salary will be lower. The end result is far lower benefits for every new generation of retirees. If this system had been in place since Social Security's inception, people today would be retiring with a benefit tied to the living standard of the 1930s, when 40 percent of households lacked indoor plumbing.


7. WHAT ELSE CAN WE EXPECT TO COME OUT WAY RE: THIS PUSH FOR PRIVATIZATION? : You will hear talk about how it will be cheaper in the long-run to privatize at least part of Social Security. Specifically, White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan claims, "The cost is $10 trillion if we do nothing. So what you're talking about would be a significant savings over those costs." There are two problems with this argument. First, the $10 trillion figure grossly distorts the modest long-range deficit of the Social Security program by projecting that shortfall over eternity. (There is no shortfall at all until 2052. Projections beyond 2052, obviously, are extremely unreliable.) Second, and more fundamentally, "borrowing $2 trillion to fund individual accounts does nothing to reduce Social Security's long-term deficit." Under the Bush plan the long-term deficit is reduced through deep benefit cuts.


8. WHAT ARE SOME OTHER MATTERS ASSOCIATED WITH RETIREMENT SAVINGS THAT WILL BE BOUGHT UP? The Thrift Savings Plan: what is it land what might be the downsides of such a model, which could be part of the Rovian onslaught?
the Thrift Savings Plan could serve as a possible model for personal investment accounts in Social Security.
Numerous readers said the two programs are unrelated and that the TSP, which relies on federal payroll systems for its basic operation, cannot be replicated on a scale as large as Social Security. Others said a column about the plan failed to stress that the TSP is a voluntary savings program that supplements Social Security, a tax-based program. Cavanaugh's paper (The paper, "Feasibility of Social Security Individual Accounts," was published by the AARP Public Policy Institute. AARP is opposing Bush's plan), for example, says that personal accounts in Social Security will cost more to manage than those in the TSP, in part because the TSP can rely on hundreds of federal agencies to administer payroll deductions and provide retirement planning and other services.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61607-2005Jan9.html?referrer=emai l


9. SO THE THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN APPEARS TO WORK FOR LARGER PERSONAL INVESTMENT ACCOUNTS, YES? The paper also points out that TSP operates on a progressive fee system (usually 60 cents per $1,000 account balance) so that holders of the higher account balances absorb part of the cost of maintaining smaller accounts. Such a fee system would not work in Social Security because too many accounts would be small, the paper contends. Social Security relies on the government to absorb inflation and market risks, while the TSP shifts those risks to individual investors, Cavanaugh writes. "Attempts to combine these two fundamentally different programs are like mating a bear with a bee -- somebody is going to get hurt," he concludes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61607-2005Jan9.html?referrer=emai l




10. WHY DOES WALL STREET WANT THE CHANGE? In the background, beyond private accounts, are various proposals to cut guaranteed Social Security
benefits in the future.


11. BUT WE WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER DEPRESSION AS IN 1929: wrong: In 1973-74, the stock
market lost 48 percent of its value. The stock market is a very dangerous place to put money

12. WHO DOES NOT WANT THE CHANGE? AARP, the nation's largest seniors organization, is coming out
strongly against President Bush's plan to allow private individual accounts
within Social Security.

13. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY? transitioning to private accounts could cost $2 trillion. See above information also.


14. WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? our taxes will have to be increased to make Bush's proposed plan work.


15. HOW EFFICIENT IS THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM NOW? More than 99 percent of Social Security's revenues go toward benefits, and less than 1 percent for overhead. The Social Security System is legally separate from the


16. THEY TELL US THAT SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKE OR GOING BROKE?: With all the clamoring about Social Security, a simple fact has been obscured: the Social Security budget is currently running a surplus; [email protected]


17. OTHER COUNTRIES MUST HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MAYBE THOSE ARE BETTER? wrong: Chile's system, management fees are around 20 times as high. A privatized system will take money from your Social Security check.


18. SHOULD YOU BE WORRIED THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE SOCIAL SECURITY? Nothing is going to change, in terms of benefits, for people near your retirement age.


19. WHO TAXED SOCIAL SECURITY TO BEGIN WITH? Ronald Reagan, a Republican, began the taxation on Social Security in 1983.


There is no Social Security crisis, just as there were no weapons of mass destruction. Social Security has provided a lifeline to millions of Americans with
millions of checks, and in more than 60 years has never missed a payment—and this track record can continue. Social Security is basically a sound system
that can meet 100 percent of its obligations for the next 39 years, and with responsible changes it can continue to do so indefinitely



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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:10 PM
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50. Go Dems!
They need to shout it to the skies that Bushco is trying to steal our Social Security. There can be no compromise on this issue.

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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 01:49 PM
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51. Hardball, brass knuckle fighting against these venal repugs, great!
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