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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:07 AM
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NEIL BUSH ADMITS ASIAN FLINGS
PRESIDENT Bush's brother Neil cheated on his ex-wife, Sharon, with local women he met during business trips to the Far East, according to a videotaped deposition conducted by Sharon's lawyers.
"I had had sexual intercourse with perhaps three or four - I don't remember the exact number - women at different times," Neil Bush said during his just-leaked deposition. It was videotaped last March as part of the couple's divorce proceeding.

He said the trysts happened while he was in Southeast Asia several years ago. "In Thailand once, I have a pretty clear recollection that there was one time in Thailand and in Hong Kong," Bush said. "And you were married to Mrs. Bush?" a lawyer asked. "Yes," he replied.

more..
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:06 AM
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1. Bush Family Values
Thailand is home to some of the most exploited women in the world. Many are as young as 12, having been forced into prostitution by family members desperate for money or as victims of other coercion.

Shame, shame!

DTH
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VictorCrabbe Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:18 AM
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20. Thailand Exploitation
Having lived in Bangkok for over a year and talked to many girls, it isn't just 'coercion'. It is exploitation on both sides. Does 'coercion' exist? Yes, and I've met many who don't want to do this. But, I've met many who want to find a nice expat to take them away as soon as possible or buy them clothes, apartment, jewellry. When the average Thai earns 8000 baht ($200)/month and a bar girl can bring in 1000 baht/night, you can see why some go into this on their own freewill. The current craze is for college girls to find 3 or 4 farangs a month and be their 'girlfriend' in exchange for helping with tuition. Who's taking advantage of whom?
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:52 AM
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21. Uh, "girls" don't have much leverage in situations like this.....
Yeah, child prostitutes have so much power....... :eyes:
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:07 PM
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33. ...you decide...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 01:08 PM by I AM SPARTACUS

Prostitutes wait for customers in Mae Sai


This is Neil Bush. He cost American taxpayers $1 billion after some shady loans he made caused the Silverado Savings and Loan to go under in 1988. Now he's making millions selling software to Florida schools. Now he's divorcing his wife and leaving her broke.
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ichiro99 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:12 PM
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36. Trial was to occur on a ...
Monday, if I recall. But Gulf War One was gotten under way that Saturday, and the S&L gutting became old news.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:20 PM
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37. web-crawled and found a PHOTO of Neil in Thailand...
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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:06 AM
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69. HAH! That's pretty damning evidence!
;-)
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:09 AM
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81. yep, and "Darn Good Intelligence", too...
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kclown Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:36 AM
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71. Also the recipient of a Presidential pardon
from his daddy.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:59 PM
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32. I suppose you also believe kids
in America actually took advantage of those priest pedophiles in order to get the good seats in Heaven.

Do you really believe there is nothing wrong with an American business man having sex with a child, just because she wants jewelry? Would he do that in America? Then why is it morally ok in another country?

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VictorCrabbe Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:50 PM
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41. Is it wrong? Of course!
Do I believe it is morally wrong. Of course I do. Thailand has a different set of culture values that would shock most westerners when it comes to sex. Am I going to say my cultural values are better than Thailand's. No because that would be ethnocentrism. The sex business is part of Thai culture and they have beliefs on what is acceptable and what is not. Look at their war on drugs. I find this appalling and I don't believe that 1000 drug dealers shot each other themselves and cops only 39 drug dealers. Thais believe this is a great way to get rid of drugs (shoot em on the spot) I'm in Malaysia and it is ok for a Malay man to have 4 wives. Is this morally wrong? By Malay and Islamic standards, this is acceptable. For me, this is wrong.

It is common for men to have a wife and a mistress and business deals are usually finalized with drinks and girls. Arranged marriages occur all the time. Do I think it is wrong? Yes, but in Thailand this is considered the norm and only having one wife and no mistress is considered wrong.

Is this exploitation? Yes, but I'm not going to be ignorant about it and say that all girls are exploited considering the conversations I've had. It's exploitation on both sides. The nickname for westerners among girls in Bangkok is "walking ATM" and western men see all women as potential short time girls.

Most women want to save money and buy a shop. Since banks won't led money to uneducated women and jobs are scarce for these women, where are they going to get work? 95% of all prostitution in Thailand is done among Thais and 5% by tourists. The highest age for education by a girl from Isaan (where most bar girls come from) is 12 . Thai culture does not place great emphasis on education or training for girls. What options do they have? You can place the blame on everyone who participates and the system (cops, government officials, tourists, Thai culture, education system, materialism, etc.)

Thailand has stiff laws for having sex with a minor (16 and under) and spending 15 years in a Thai prison is good punishment. Having volunteered to teach English for over 8 months so girls can improve their chances at getting a better job allowed me to get a decent insight on the 'business' more than I could ever learn reading newspapers and forums. And yes, it is heartbreaking to see them use their language skills to improve their chances of being picked by a guy at a bar.

By the way, I'm not surprised Neil slept with a girl. I've seen embassy officials come in and take girls away for 'conversation'. Also, there is nothing more disgusting then seeing a fat old tourist with an 18 or 20 year old girl.

Flame away.

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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:54 PM
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54. VC all of your factual statements I can 100% corroborate. I don't want
to comment on the right/wrong stuff though. One thing, the '95% of all prostitution' I'd like to see some investigative reporting on that figure. I'm not saying you're wrong, darn close, 80%-95%. But I like you saying that because many people automatically think the local people don't participate in sex.

I did the Thai bar scene on the coat-tails of a friend I met while traveling. He's American and had a Thai girlfriend. But previously he was a Thai Bar Fly and knew all the places and all the girls. We'd go to his favorite bar of the night about 11PM. We drank, talked, shot pool, darts... the night away. Men would come in, many regulars, because as soon as they walked in the door the Head Lady would run over to them and in a 1 word conversation the Head Lady would scream out a girl's name and the girls would come running over like a servant to a king. (or to Neil Bush).

My friend's SOP plan was to wait it out until closing then go out to the local joints with the girls who didn't get business that night. As I could see my friend had been doing this a long time. This is how he became 'friends' with the girls. But these were like mini-dates because we were expected to pay for the drinks and taxi and food later. We could also take the girls home at some kind of very discount rate. For anyone who thinks these girls are doing this for business and don't drink, you're wrong! They can drink and it seemed like we were having fun together. But I'd found out that we were only semi-together in the other joints. The girls, now off work, we're still looking for a customer or a Foreigner. This happened a couple of times when the girl I was with disappeared and I was told she found some business.

I really liked one girl. We had gone out and talked many nights. She was about 8 years younger than me. Really had a good time. I never even kissed her. One night in the middle of Tim Buk Too, about 4AM, she asked me what I wanted from her. I told her nothing, I want to be friends and maybe something more can happen. She just got up and left but I didn't know she had actually left. She dumped me. It's another whole story how I got back to the guest house. Next day, I told my friend. He said, 'you didn't tell her you want to be friends, did you? That just phucks up their mind.' He and quite a few other Foreigner ran into the same situation and the same results. Honestly I don't know the details of their thinking.

I didn't have girls stay at my guest house room. you have to pay some extra baht per night when you have a girl sleep over. Whether or not you want to believe it I never had sex with any of these girls. They'd be so drunk in the Tuk Tuk dropping me off I was afraid what might happen to them alone. And they liked the idea of coming over anyway. When they'd wake up in the morning, still in their clothing, they really felt strange. 'You didn't do anything to me last night?'. Here's another, I don't care if no one believes me. It's a time in Earth that I'll never forgot. Their true feelings coming out, the look on their faces... from not being taken advantage of.

But I didn't want to marry any of these girls. I wanted the one who dumped me. I never understand because I would have married her and so she could leave Thailand.

Another point, I don't think I saw a bar girl who didn't have multiple suicide cuts on their wrists.

I have another very very important Thai friend who feels children don't know how to phuck so he prefers adults. He also has several mistresses with children. I've gone to their homes. They seem happy with the fact of no husband and being a mistress. But I think it's the money which makes them like the situation. What's the alternative? Work as slave sniffing glue in a Nike factory for about US$20 per month or getting US$20-40 per night?

These people Thailand, Vietnam, Philippines, Cambodia, Shanghi... have sex to support their lives. It's not a difficult job with flexible hours. Would most stop if they could? I honestly don't know.

I love all people and I hate Governments and Corporations. They all know this stuff is going on. Especially the Philippines. Marcos, Aquino, Ramos, and Arroyo. The holy Catholics.

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VictorCrabbe Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:50 PM
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55. Thanks
It's hard to describe the bar scene in Bangkok to people who have never experienced it. Hope you enjoyed your time in Thailand and the bar scene is one that a person can easily fall into. There are a bunch of sites about prostitution in Thailand as I'm doing my dissertation on prostitution in SE Asia.

The sniffing glue part is very accurate as I know a couple of girls who left working in factories to work in the bars. I remember getting on a motorbike taxi and hoping to God that my driver wasn't sniffing glue or paint 5 minutes before.

You do learn a lot from the mamasan as I was forturnate to get to know a couple of them. When you become a regular of a bar, you get to know the situation a lot clearer than a person who comes in for a week - most head for Pattaya or Koh Samui. Your friend probably knows a lot about the scene. You learn lessons quick in Bangkok. If you don't, you could easily end up dead.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:45 AM
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60. I only went to the bars in Bangkok and Cha-am.
Out of my family and just about everyone I know from home, non have been to another country. I'd like to see factual U.S. statsistics on how many Americans have been overseas and to where!

I think it's a big dirty thing The Bush Crime Family is doing with Arab/Muslim people. It's easy to hate someone if you've never met one. I never met any bad people anywhere. The Muslim people are as friendly or more friendly as any people I've ever met. No one in my family has ever met a Muslim. I've met a lot who were attending Stanford and working in the Bay Area. Great sense of humor, all of them.

My above point. The GOP could get Americans to hate anyone and attack them with their propaganda. Even the Thai people. But the second point is the GOP motive is backed by profit for corporate America.

I don't think sex with people for money should be illegal. Not everyone's lives turn out like Rat Robertson or believe in that type of God curse. I know many people, from all countries, who don't want to get married. I'm so surprised to see Chinese girls who don't ever want to get married. And we're talking marriage was 'life' just 5 years ago. These girls have absolute no interest in it. What, does the whole world become abstinent because the GOP is using the Moral Majority to rule America and the world? I can't believe the spineless Dems. have let our country into a quagmire of 700 Club puss.

In Asia, I know several men who have girls as hired long term dates. They live together. I also know the same in the Bay Area. White professionals with white girlsfriends who don't work but live together. I don't think there's anything wrong with this as long as you don't lie to the Asian girl and pretend you're going to marry her.

Someones got to wake up about marriage anyway. The moral America divorce rate is about 50% plus. So why get married but then why do I have to live my life like the sucking liar Bush says?

(I'm rambling!)

Earth to me:

I love Asian people, especially the girls. I wish I could take them all back to America with me! I don't know how to solve the problems but I know the government and corporations could but they're making money from it.

I don't like the word Prostitution. Sex is natural. People like. It feels good. Men are the aggressors on the streets. They are fulfilling a human instinct need.

Behind closed doors, I've never met a girl , American or Asian, who wasn't 'strongly' interested in pornography/sex. More than I could ever imagine. Also willing to try new things. I'd come home and my Asian girlfriend would be watching the porn channel with her friends. There wasn't a 'big' embarrassment With the internet, I think it can be proven that women are at least half the subscribers of porn sites. Whether or not you want to believe too, the women I know are from average to executives.

I don't pretend to know what's going on. But sex is inside us. The only way the GOP can stop it is by killing us.

I think the sex trade is going to explode with the continued alienation of people and the loss of touch with our land our tribes! As you know, all over Asia people hold hands, hold each other, touch each other, kiss each other. They are bonded to each other. Most places everone knows each other from a tribal type system. Everyone moving to the city and being alienated thus the lack of touch with other humans and friendship is going to increase the sex trade.

ramble babble



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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:07 AM
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82. great post
huzzah!
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:03 AM
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57. I DID have girls stay at my guest house room. (corrupt above error)
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:55 PM
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35. Wrong. Just plain wrong.
I knew a man whose parents dressed him up as a little girl when he was a child, took him to swing parties, and passed him around for sex. When he asked them to pay for his therapy to recover from the molestations, they said they would pay for half since he was a willing participant.

There is no other word for this but WRONG. Children do not have free will; their will is not yet formed and they must be protected by adults because they can be exploited so easily.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:19 AM
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70. yeah yeah
all those powerful prostitutes forcing men to pay them money against their will. I am sure they have tons of other good options to fund college.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:08 AM
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2. Clarificartion needed
It sounds to me he was having sex with three or four women at a time, more than once.

Neil, you animal you!
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clarkbarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:30 PM
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46. Did Neil Bush use a Rubber?
Inquiring Minds want to know!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:11 AM
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3. Are we about to find out the idiot has AIDS?
Because it's rampant in Thai prostitutes.

Does he like the underage ones like his brother does?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:13 AM
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4. Ha, ha
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 01:47 AM by JudiLyn
There's a small video clip at the top of this link, which leads us to understand the Demosthenes in the Bush family who must have inspired George Bush to the point he also became a silver-tongued devil!

I tried to write down the lilting language which will charm you right off your chair:

"This school is like a beacon for other schools in Atlanta for what learning ought to be like."

WooooHOOOOOO! :bounce:

Photos of Professor Neil Bush at this link, as well:

http://www.brownmiddleschool.com/ignite.htm

On edit:

Please take a second to examine the little video clip on this link. You'll snicker.
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:23 AM
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5. PROFESSOR Bush?
that certainly sounds scary.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:24 AM
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6. Boy, the Bush family sure has morals
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 01:24 AM by WindRavenX
I think the RWers best be backing off on that statement for a while :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:45 AM
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7. Have to kick this one for *bushie
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 01:47 AM by madmax
and bush family values. :puke:


:kick:
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MRDU Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:50 AM
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8. Sharon Bush quote:
"His behavior has been appalling. Where are the family values?"
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study_war_no_more Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:09 AM
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9. Neil Bush no dame des ka
It has to be genetic I think.
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:18 AM
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10. No doubt he PAID for it too
Unlike Big Dog ;-)
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:21 AM
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11. would that be what is called a....
...triple knob job? (What do I know? I heard the expression once and always wondered....)
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:24 AM
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12. triple pug plug job
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:26 AM
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13. ". . . perhaps three or four . . ."?
Three or four women at once?

Or does that mean he cheated on her perhaps three or four times? Which is it Neil? You can't remember how many times you cheated on your wife?

I can understand, say, if he cheated on her 100 times, not knowing if it was 99 or 100 times, but three or four? Come on....

I think three or four really translates to thirty or forty...
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:11 AM
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14. I hope the BFEE don't...
think this will distract us from the SOTU lies that are being unearthed faster than the imaginary WMDs in Iraq!
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:12 AM
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15. Most of them are Kids under 18
How many specials have been done about under aged kids being sold into prostitution by poor families?
I wonder how old Bushes dates were....hmmmm about 14.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:24 AM
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16. Every Prez needs a brother. Right?
n/t
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:05 PM
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47. Do you remember the story about Bush Sr. & male prostitutes?
They shut the story down as soon as it broke back in the 80's.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:17 PM
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50. Jennifer Fitzgerald
is the name to check for 41
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shocked_and_awed Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:51 AM
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74. bush sr and male prostitues
I care only if true. Can you produce any paper trail that I can chase on this? I mean really, Bush Sr. and male prostitutes?

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:57 AM
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80. youre welcome
hope you care now.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:53 AM
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79. I do and i never pass up a chance to say
GHWB likes little black boys. Lawrence King of Omaha NB ran a ring of kids out of an orphanage or foster set up? I cant remember exactly, but a search for keywords or better yet a quick look at
The Unauthorized Biography of george Bush (available in entirity online and full of amazing cited facts will knock you out) search for Tarpley Unauthorized Bush and you will get there. For all you LaRouche aphobes, you dont want to go there, its one hell of a book, and nearly makes up for the wackier aspects of affiliated behaviors. This one is an excellent contribution to history.
hell, I know how hard it is to look into something without a link so:
http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:37 AM
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17. Thailand struggles to shake off child sex image
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/030603/80/e1esu.html


BANGKOK (Reuters) - As bar girls dance around poles to the pulsating beat of Western pop music, a small boy dressed in rags lurks on the pavement outside -- lying in wait for the tourists who flock to Bangkok's notorious red light districts.

Chai is not like most 11-year-olds in Thailand.

Each night the orphan leaves his grandmother's home in Bangkok's biggest slum and loiters on the corner of Soi Cowboy, a strip of neon-lit go-go dancing bars where he sells flower garlands to tourists.

Soon men are offering him money -- not for his flowers, but for sex. Used to taking home $1 a day, the lure of $75 to go to a man's apartment is difficult to turn down.

Chai became one of 200,000 children the United Nations estimates are working in Thailand's sex industry. Child protection groups say the number is growing.

"Everyone is in denial of this problem. It's terrible, and it's getting worse and worse," says Father Joe Maier, a Catholic priest who founded an organisation to look after slum children like Chai.

more

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:48 AM
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18. Oh, and they WEREN'T hookers?
Ya think he came home and gave the Mrs. a bit of the clap? Or scabies?
Bugs in the Bush?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:39 PM
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52. bugs in the bush!!! hahahahah
oh that is too funny
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:04 AM
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19. Aha! They've found The Smoking Penis!
(I never DID really buy that story about them all being immaculately conceived.)

But enough of this frivolity. We're not interested in your Wandering Willy, Neil. We've other Bu$hes to fry in your family.
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Sushi_lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:06 AM
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22. Babs has to be so proud of her boys
uh huh
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:34 AM
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23. What if he fathered
children. Little Bush bastards. Oh! the shame.

180
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 06:37 AM
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76. They'd be "the little yellow ones"I guess
cept they'd be unmentionable of course
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:42 AM
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24. BABS will have someone's head handed to them
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 09:44 AM by Mari333
on a platter! she protects her little boys like a frothing she bear, even when they behave like scum.


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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:43 AM
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25. So Poppy and Bar are cutting off the wife
Last I heard, the deal was that Poppy would allow Sharon a place to live until the oldest child was out of school. Then she was totally on her own. Before she signed, she lunched with Kitty Kelley, and was talking about writing her own book. I hope she can get out of the settlement with the Bushes, that precluded that.
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:44 AM
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26. Thailand has a huge problem with Aids
One of the news channels ran a story about Business Men, Sex with kids & Aids.
I think that it was 20/20 or another news show like it.

The story was so disgusting that I wanted to :puke:.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:57 AM
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27. Neils family values..
neils lack of family values is at least consistant... his values that caused the families that lost their investments at SILVERADO SAVINGS and LOAN were pretty low back then too. thru apparent insider information from dad, he warned his buddies at the S/L and they bailed out with all their money and the crash cost the taxpayers 5 BILLION DOLLARS, but then they gave Neil a 22 MILLION DOLLAR loan with no repayment schedual nor any interest... simular to Dubya getting over 16 MILLION from his buddies from the Cowboys team sale, they all just pitched in because he was a buddy. and then Dubya ran for governer and ..and ..could that have been consedered illeagal campain contrabutions...?
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ichiro99 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:14 AM
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58. This sort of thing is, actually ...
Family values. Core allocations of privilege and power according to what's worked for all the oligarchs' generations. ...Very common, in any case. Doesn't Limbaugh go off to SE Asia when he's got to let his hair down?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2349059.stm
"Vietnamese women are shackled by stereotype" by Clare Arthurs/ A United Nations report on gender issues in Vietnam says violence against women is widespread. It quotes one study as reporting that 80% of Vietnamese women have experienced some form of violence...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:43 AM
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68. HERES SOME HISTORY
go to www.bushwater.com .. www.bushwatch.com .. www.DubyaReport.com .. and best of all.. www.renanabrooks.com , check out the 'recent articles'. it discusses his speach methods being simular to those of abusive husmands..great articles.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:05 AM
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28. Divorce is the only time we ever find out what's really going on.
Welch, Gingrich, Bush...
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:37 AM
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29. Wow, he only had "sexual intercourse" while out of the country
"I did not have sexual intercourse in the USA."

Now, that was real respectful and thoughtful of him.

A woman scorned....should make a "fabulous" book.

:evilgrin:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:38 PM
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30. I find it strange that he can't remember how many times
he cheated on his wife. A "pretty clear recollection" ??? How many times do you have to do this to lose track? Most people I know, (men
ane women) can pretty much tell you EXACTLY how many people they've had sexual intercourse with over the course of their lives.

We all have known what a shitheel scumbag Neil Bush is, if only from his Silverado days - this, amazingly enough, sets the bar even lower.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:30 PM
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38. He can't remember how many at one "sitting"
That's the deal.

When one's brother is president, one can have illusions of grandeur. Viagra helps, of course.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:06 PM
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44. maybe it was a few too many bottles of "Singha"
Especially in that Bangkok heat. Next thing you know you're seeing double. Or triple.
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:53 PM
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31. Be thankful
At least this is one brother who we'll never have to worry about holding an elected office.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 01:15 PM
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34. He was cheating on his wife AND his mistress.
I can guarantee you, from the time I spent in Houston, that if he was having flings, it wasn't just a few and it wasn't just outside of the country. The "executive" culture in Houston is one where, for example, there are parties at hotels where every man has a prostitute. This is a common thing. (If you've seen the movie "Skulls," there is a segment about this sort of thing with the Skull and Bones crowd.)

So, the bottom line is that abstinence is for the unwashed masses and not for royalty. Sheesh--basically they want royalty to have access to condoms and the masses to get AIDS.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:39 PM
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39. Bill Bennett, where are you?
This is the kind of thing that makes me miss having Bill around.

Maybe Dr. Laura will share her thoughts.
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yankeeinlouisiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:39 PM
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40. How many times?
He can't remember!! 3 or 4 times. If you can't remember, it's probably more than 3 or 4 times.

PIG!!
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 03:19 PM
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42. Amazingly enough...
Neil may actually be scummier than his brothers. Hard to imagine, and REALLY hard to accomplish.

I lived in Colorado when the Silverado scandal was hitting the fan, and the things you learned about NB were completely sickening. Just another little piece of shit lazy rich boy who ripped off everybody who tried to help him.

This was in late 1989 to early 1990, btw. It all kind of faded from sight (including some VERY tough congressional hearings) when Gulf War I came along.

Hmm. How conVEEEEnient.

Hand
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:19 PM
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45. it has always amazed me how Neil Bush got off so easy
after Silverado. And right after that he got involved in natural gas exploration in Wyoming. Through his family connections he secured some sort of small business grant to search north of Evanston for natl. gas. You get a couple of million bucks from the govt., hire a few crews to wander around in the desert for 2 years, and pay yourself (as pres.) 200k/yr. Nice work if you can get it. And if your last name is Bush, you can get it.

Goddam - I despise the Bush family. White trash corporate welfare cheats, the whole fucking lot of them.
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Best_man23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:05 PM
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43. Would love to see Sharon Bush as a keynote speaker
At the 2004 Democratic Convention. Give her the opportunity to spill all the goods on the Bush Junta on national television. Would be TV worth watching.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:09 PM
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48. Neil Bush: A Chip Off of the Old Block & Like Father, Like Son.
As Jesus instructed us (Remember, Jesus? The President's favorite "philosopher"?): "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." ---Matthew 7:20
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:24 PM
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49. in Hong Kong?
Could it have been a Katrina Leung type situation. The Bushes have extensive business dealings in China; uncle Prescott was head of an organization to send jobs over there. How did this information so conveniently fall into the ex-wife's hands? She must have proof or he would never have admitted to it.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:30 PM
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51. Vietnam toon of Neil. The Saudi Arabia pic is real.
Anyone can post any of these anywhere anytime. Have fun!

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/
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johnnybegood Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:58 PM
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53. This is crap-Get it off of here (n/t)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:02 AM
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56. Why? LOL!
:crazy: :crazy:
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johnnybegood Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:33 AM
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61. Who is Neil Bush?? Who CARES who Neil Bush is???
He as absolutely nothing to do with President Bush and the current state of affairs. Stay on topic and out of the sewer. Otherwise you make yourself part of the problem.
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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:48 AM
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62. You, my friend, must have amnesia.
Have you been asleep for 10 years? If not, then go back where you came from because this IS news. If this were Roger Clinton it would be on every news show in America. So far, this is all I have seen on this subject. Hmmmmm.

So take your apologist ass back fromst where you crawled. Now I wonder where that could be.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 03:30 AM
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64. I'll bet MOST people remember
Neil Bush burned the hard working American public, and walked away completely unscathed, to a new enterprise living off his brother's clout, in bilking American schools with his educational software flim flam scam. How can they refuse him, without fearing the retribution of the U.S. gubmint?

(snip) His prior association with the Silverado Savings and Loan in Colorado, whose failure cost taxpayers $1 billion, led to a grand jury investigation at the end of his father's presidency in the early 1990s.

Federal regulators accused Neil Bush of conflicts of interest for failing to disclose personal ties to two Silverado borrowers who defaulted on loans, but he was never charged. During the height of the controversy, critics posted "Jail Neil Bush" posters on lampposts in Washington. (snip/...)

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:qKhAmrK_7i4J:www.sltrib.com/2002/apr/04112002/business/727300.htm+%22Neil+Bush%22+%2B+Silverado+%2B+taxpayers&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


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haymaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:50 AM
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63. Oh, I forgot,
where is my toolbox again. Oh, here it is.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:40 AM
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72. Neil Bush helped rip-off taxpayers for $500 million up front.
And another billion with interest to repay the FSLIC insurance losses over the next 30 years. Not a bad day's work for any arch-criminal. You should learn more about it:

‘Frauds-R-Us’

The Bush Family Saga


Part II - Part I Here

The Silverado Savings and Loan Scandal

By William Bowles

05/11/03: (Information Clearing House) The savings and loans crashes of the 1980s, themselves directly the result of Reagan’s deregulation of the banking industry, is more interesting because of how it reflects the rapacious nature of unbridled capitalism than of Neil Bush himself. Who by the way, is now embroiled in another scam with his latest venture, educational software, Ignite (turnover $20 million, much of it from educational subsidies obtained in the state of Florida ,where, ‘coincidentally’ of course, his bro Jeb, is governor).

Altogether, it’s been calculated that bailing out the failed S&Ls countrywide cost the US taxpayer around $1.4 trillion!

There are nowhere as many digital sources on the S&L debacle because it predates the Web. Much of it is contained in pages that refer to the numerous scandals and malfeasances of the Bush clan at large. Even so ,I’ve managed to uncover a number of dedicated sources.

CONTINUED w/LOTSALINKS:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3330.htm
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 08:05 AM
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77. you must have said the same thing about Monicagate!!!!
eom
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 12:18 AM
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59. Right Wing Christian Values
are strange. Neil Bush, was involved in the savings and loan scandals!
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ichiro99 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:40 AM
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78. Yeah, they are! ...
Nothing that's a shock any more, though.

These paternalistic strongholds of oldschool (read 'lizard-mind') ethics hold dear their lasciviousness. Use it to program their young, blackmail one another, win over new allies, consolidate ancient enmities. Their world's winner-take-all, and the hierarchy of the orgy encapsulates, for them, all that's to become their New Order.

Orgys and killing fields.
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SideshowScott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 06:32 AM
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65. How Much you wanna bet the whore press will ingrore this hot potatoe??
When anything about the clinton's and Rodams will STILL get a top story in Frux and Cnn..It really is appaling the state of one of our most basic freedoms is now a total joke...
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:26 AM
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67. Neil...Now which one was he again?
Just kidding, of course. :)
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:21 AM
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66. Don't Forget - He Screwed With the Depositors ...
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 08:22 AM by CO Liberal
...of the Silverado Savings & Loan.

Neil's part in the savings bank scandal was conveniently swept under the rug by Poppy Bush's henchmen........
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:41 AM
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73. He doesn't have any money for the family that he left for a younger
woman but he does have money to travel to Hong Kong and party with women other than his wife. what's the problem? Just a typical Bush.
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GOPHater Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:52 AM
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75. Oh Jebbie boy
He had to go overseas and pay for it to get laid. The whole time denouncing Clinton for a bj. They are one pitiful family aren't they? Let's not forget Jeb's involvement in the savings and loan scandal in Colorado, which many regular, i.e. not privileged, people lost everything in. This family is so corrupt it's unreal.

http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html
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