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Khephra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:18 PM Original message |
Declaration of Independence Banned at Calif School |
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BamaLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. What a joke! |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. What part is the joke? The headline is terrible and the biggest joke imo. |
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bsm1970 (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 11:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
81. I don't think that's a correct assessment at all |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 02:04 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Reread these two paragraphs from the teacher's attorney |
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pokercat999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 09:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
100. There's nothing wrong with |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
111. there's an article somewhere--I don't remember where I read it |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Shame on Reuters for passing off this wingnut spin as "news." |
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Badboy (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
112. 1ST Amendment |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
2. She is right. Our founders were religious men. And they came |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
71. Um, well, some were and some weren't. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Exactly. Secular BECAUSE they had just left oppressive countries. |
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JohnOneillsMemory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 02:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
87. They were religious AND SLAVEHOLDERS. Just like today....n/t |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
99. If by Founders you mean the men who signed the Declaration, |
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SammyBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. Now, this is an asshat |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. Then he should give them Jefferson's version of the New Testament |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the New Testiment? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. It's called the Jefferson Bible |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Thanks! (nt) |
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selmo7 (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #31 |
104. WOW thanks for that! n/t |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
70. You can read it for free on line. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. He should give them the Treaty of Tripoli: |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. ok |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. Going way too far |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Our country's founding |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Deleted message |
Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Who came to the 13 original colonies to escape Roman Catholicism? |
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cosmicdot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. do the French Huguenots count? |
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othermeans (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
121. Well I'd believe part of it except the guillotine hadn't been invented yet |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
105. The Pennsylvania Germans |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Deists. Our Founding Fathers were a bunch of Deists. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. the only one who was a diest was Franklin |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Some of the church-goers were essentially deists |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
118. Uh, no. Jefferson and Paine were also Deists, for starters. |
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MatrixEscape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
33. Show me where the founders had strong wording to support that! |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. he didn't say they founded a christian government |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:38 PM Response to Reply #41 |
78. Christian Values |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
107. You could as easily argue they founded it on pagan values |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 02:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
117. Please define how "Christian values"... |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
103. "convince intelligent people"... |
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maveric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
83. Are the words "Christ", Christian" or "Jesus" seen anywhere in |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
85. You are WRONG |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. As a CCM of the ACLU don't you think there is a BIG difference |
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George_S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
32. "card-carrying" member of the ACLU |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
40. I'll go ahead and call "BULLSHIT" on you. |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. This article doesn't give enough facts to draw that conclusion |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. This exact headline |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Welcome to DU, TU |
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sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
7. sounds insane |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. wtf? |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. What the hell?? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Sounds like a set-up to me |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
44. The attorney (Terry Thompson) is a Fundie Lawyer. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
11. The word "creator" could mean anything, including an alien from Deep Space |
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YankeyMCC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. It is in the dec |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. well, you are right. and the word Mankind doesnt include me |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 12:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
82. But notice the qualifier that comes before "God" |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:21 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. thats the kicker |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:13 AM Response to Reply #82 |
119. To be fair, this atheist could read it a different way. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Agreed |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Since most of the founders were Christians |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. One thing is for certain |
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mbperrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
106. Here's Thomas Paine: |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 05:02 AM Response to Reply #11 |
123. Or an alien lizard creator |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
13. As long as he tells them that "Nature's God" is not the Christian god |
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zbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. I will defer judgment until I see the response from the school district. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
56. Here's his complaint. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
16. Deleted message |
sonicx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. We? |
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GarySeven (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Yes, of course, but every time ... |
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bobbyboucher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. You two need to get a room. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Big media is twisting this story. NOONE is baning the DoI from schools |
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George_S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. We liberals |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
79. thanks George S |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
58. If I intended to consider only "my own self interest," I'd be a Repub. eom |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. Declaration of Independence |
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wabeewoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Seemly likely he is a conservative |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM Original message |
His version of history is revisonist. |
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klebean (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
30. why were the teacher's lesson plans, etc. being monitored? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Most teachers' lesson plans are monitored |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. The More I Think About It |
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George_S (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. memes: The exact same wording spreads: |
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Mike Johnson (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. The exact same wording |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Kind of the same way newspapers spread news? |
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Democracy Died 2004 (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
38. Ok here is what i don't get |
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treefrogjohn (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
47. The fascinating thing is that Cupertino has one of the highest rated |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 11:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
108. The hypocrisy is astonishing. |
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BrightKnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. Are 5th grade students really equipped to critically discuss this? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Good question! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
50. Selective use of materials |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. Judgement |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Just the unreasonable liberal elites |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. These people |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. How could he be? |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
102. It is VERY, VERY hard to be |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. You make a very good point. |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
60. If it were perfectly clear that this nation was founded on Christian |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. What is going on here |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Maybe you're lost |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. sandnsea ... |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. WHAT THE?!?!?! |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
90. oh, right. and of course you scanned that little essay |
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The_Urge (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 10:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
109. Nope |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
65. I smell setup. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
93. snif, snif.... yep |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
72. Someone is taking |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:32 AM Response to Reply #72 |
95. someone is spinning this story... |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
73. Sigh. Yes, 'God' was in the Declaration. But if the idiot could read, he |
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rawstory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
77. Story is bogus: Teacher was forcing students to listen to Christian dogma |
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monobrau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
84. People please wake up |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
94. even worse: |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-24-04 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
80. I think the school was wrong |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #80 |
96. in fact, the media are wrong |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
88. Bloggers are picking up the story |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
89. This is just nutty.... |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:22 AM Response to Reply #89 |
92. umm, are you on the right thread? |
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DoNotRefill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. I read the story and read the complaint.... |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
97. Phil Parlock changed his name to Steve Williams, |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-25-04 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
98. how about we write Reuters to tell them to check their facts |
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rfrrfrrfr (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #98 |
113. Here is a link many of you who think |
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Liberal Classic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
114. Patrick Henry is RIGHT OUT |
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othermeans (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:42 AM Response to Reply #114 |
122. Unless you're one of my slaves |
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eagler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
126. If we keep making this war on religion |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
115. He should also explain the ancestry of the DoI |
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fernsibal (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 02:16 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. It *does* appear to be part of the culture |
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gbwarming (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
120. "Rights of the Colonists" isn't 5th grade reading level material. |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
124. morning dose of Christo-Republican Fundamental Wing Propoganda |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
125. So this guy is teaching Masonic rites? |
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