Tom Tomorrow-Iraq Solution-Go Back To '02 & Pay God-Damned Attention To All Who Opposed Idiotic War

[kpete]

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2006/11/20/tomo/index1.html

[Eric J in MN]

1. Janeane Garofalo said the Iraq War would be a disaster.

Put her on MSNBC instead of Joe Scarborough, who played video of her saying, "If we do this, we're doomed" to ridicule her.

[Marie26]

5. Janeane Garafalo deserves an apology

from just about everyone in the MSM. She was one of the only people to stand up & vocally oppose this war in 2002, & all those "experts" who shouted her down need to sign some sort of joint mea culpa. Not that they'll ever admit they were wrong.

[ComerPerro]

8. there are a ton of people who deserve apoplgies, and many more

who really should do some apologizing.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. kick

[gratuitous]

20. Janeane plus a few million people who marched in the streets

And for our troubles, we got called "naive" (one of the nicer sobriquets) to "pussies" or outright "traitors." None of which bothered me nearly as much as the inability of those same name-callers to discern what we have been all along: "right."

[DoYouEverWonder]

28. But according to Bush we were just a focus group

and he doesn't pay attention to focus groups. :mad:

Then after the March in DC last year, I went back to my hotel room and caught Aaron Brown telling us that the reason why CNN wasn't covering the protest was because Hurricane Rita was much more important. :mad:

[The Count]

14. Just Garoffalo? Wes Clark&other generals, Poppy's tools, Tenet & all of us

There were many voices in what W termed "focus groups"

[Marie26]

23. I mention her because she was a voice

for the millions & millions of regular people who opposed this war. Because she was a "celebrity", she was able to get on TV when most war opponents could not, & used her celebrity to express the real facts & reasons against this war. I don't recall Poppy's team, the generals, Tenet or most major Democrats speaking out publically against the Iraq war in 2002. It was a weird time, when Republicans & the corporate media had basically total control over what people heard in the MSM. Garofalo was one of the only people who managed to sneak some truth in there, & I was very grateful to hear somebody on TV expressing the same concerns I had. She took the shots from the Freepers then, & should get an apology now. As should everyone who publically opposed this war from the beginning.

[Eric J in MN]

27. Why George Tenet? NT

NT

[Mythsaje]

2. Oooh...that's a GOOD one...

And too true to be funny.

[Ignacio Upton]

3. If we build a time machine...

Why not go back in time to help Al Gore in 2000? That way, no 9/11 and no war in Iraq.

[krispos42]

6. Time travel is impossible

If it were possible, somebody from the future would have gone back in time to the early '70s and 'corrected' the Bush problem. Perhaps, while Bush was in a drunken stupor, paid some gay prostitute to 'pose' (or whatever) with Bush, then take a picture. Use that picture in 1999 as a 'suggestion' that Bush maybe shouldn't run for president.

Of course, there are allegations that Bush was having hot man-on-man action in Tennesse in the late '70s. Take a pic or three of that roll in the hay, and wait until 1999.

My point here is that SOMEBODY would have saved us by now!

[longship]

9. In every thread of time but the one we're in.

That's been done thousands of times already. But in our universe, our reality, we're stuck with Bush.

All one does when one goes back in time and kills Hitler as a teen-ager, or sterilizes Babs Bush before she gives birth is to branch off a new universe where the new, different thread of reality takes place.
:-)

[krispos42]

10. Ah, you mean every possibility already exists and has happened

A seed turns into a tree or gets eaten by a bug, and in each case the world is a bit different. George 41 shoots a load into Barbara, but a different sperm connects with the egg and we actually have a competent, compassionate, curious President George W. Bush, or a different president entirely.

Like in that Star Trek: Next Generation episode.

When's the next train to the next thread?

[Frank Cannon]

16. Either that, or time travelers already went back and fixed things...

and Bush is such a fuck-up that this is the best outcome we can hope for.

I hear these guys are continuing to work hard on the problem, though.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. This is predicated on the idea that good guys built the time machine.

Perhaps the first time machine was built by someone who hates our stinkin' guts.

It would explain a lot.

[krispos42]

29. Hmmmm... something to that, I think

Maybe what North Korea or Iran is working on is time travel instead of nukes!

[The Count]

13. Help Al Gore? You mean, reveal the truth?

[BlooInBloo]

4. Very nice.

[babylonsister]

7. Perfect! nt

[Rageneau]

11. There's no accountability in politics OR journalism today.

These days, the only thing being completely wrong about everything gets you is a promotion to head correspondent and a medal of freedom.

[radfringe]

12. C-Span2 yewsterday - Fran Lebowitz

some sort of book award show.. ennywhoo

she quipped about the Iraq study group and put it like this (paraphrased)

It's like a math test - do you study the night before or 3 years after the test...

(Who is Fran Lebowitz: http://www.nndb.com/people/763/000030673/ )

[wordpix]

15. time machine=INVESTIGATION into neoCon 02-03 decision to go to war

Good idea---let's go BACK to that time and find out who lied, who created fraudulent documents in Niger, and who manipulated intel reports.

[blogslut]

17. Peter Arnett

Early victim in the war on truth:

Quotes from his controversial March 31, 2003 interview, resulting in a firestorm of outrage and his subsequent firing:

"Clearly, the American war planners misjudged the determination of the Iraqi forces.

...And I personally do not understand how that happened, because I've been here many times and in my commentaries on television I would tell the Americans about the determination of the Iraqi forces, the determination of the government, and the willingness to fight for their country. But me, and others who felt the same way were not listened to by the Bush administration.

...That is why now America is re-appraising the battlefield, delaying the war, maybe a week, and re-writing the war plan. The first war plan has failed because of Iraqi resistance now they are trying to write another war plan.

link to interview: http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/30/sprj.irq.arnett.transcript/

Bonus irony: Arnett is John Yoo's father-in-law.

[kpete]

19. I think of Peter Arnett often -

His treatment was a sign of things to come.

I did not know about his connection to Yoo - yuck...

[Marie26]

21. Or Ashleigh Banfield

Fired from MSNBC for wondering about where the cool flashy bombs in Iraq were actually falling.

[kirbyenthusiasm]

24. I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious

i remember that pre-Howard Dean feeling of helplessness, watching the Bush juggernaut march blindly towards war, brushing aside criticism, no one asking any questions.

i remember thinking it would come back to bite us. The irony that now its the Democrats that will be criticized for their exit strategy tastes like bile in the back of my throat.

[longship]

22. Wow! Cool!

:kick:

[NNadir]

26. We got so much shit for going to the anti-war marches.

People in our community treated us with contempt.

That we were right doesn't make me feel any better about the situation though.