Patrick Fitzgerald's birth info

[Sanity Claws]

someone at Astrodata posted Fitzgerald's alleged birth info under the Bush info, Patrick Fitzgerald, 12/22/60, 8:43PM, Brooklyn, NY.
Are there any good readers here who want to take a look at his chart?
I'm not much a chart reader, particularly in looking at relationships between charts. Otherwise I'd start the discussion.

[BlueIris]

1. Perhaps not significant, but Fitz and Cheney are both Aquarians

with Virgo ascendants.

[alterfurz]

2. Fitz is a Capricorn

Dec. 22=winter solstice/1 Capricorn

[BlueIris]

3. Sorry. My brain must be fried.

Okay, back to the drawing board with that one.

[BlueIris]

4. Hee. Based on my new calculations, Fitz has Jupiter AND Saturn

in Capricorn. That explains a lot to me, actually.

[Sweet Freedom]

5. According to astrodienst.com

although I don't know if I have the right Brooklyn (there were seven to choose from)

AstroText Portrait - Short Edition

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for Fitz (male)
born on 22 Dec 1960 local time 06:43 pm
in Brooklyn (Kings County), NY (US) U.T. 23:43
73w56, 40n38 sid. time 00:53:21

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Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 01°09'30 06 direct
Moon Pisces 04°07'20 08 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 23°15'28 05 direct
Venus Aquarius 14°52'19 07 direct
Mars Cancer 11°40'49 12 retrograde
Jupiter Capricorn 12°00'14 06 direct
Saturn Capricorn 18°32'05 06 direct
Uranus Leo 25°35'17 02 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 10°37'02 04 direct
Pluto Virgo 08°05'26 02 retrograde
True Node Virgo 08°41'50 02 retrograde


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Cancer 29°36'48
2nd House Leo 19°43'32
3rd House Virgo 13°53'38
Imum Coeli Libra 14°29'27
5th House Scorpio 21°11'06
6th House Sagittarius 28°03'57
Descendant Capricorn 29°36'48
8th House Aquarius 19°43'32
9th House Pisces 13°53'38
Medium Coeli Aries 14°29'27
11th House Taurus 21°11'06
12th House Gemini 28°03'57

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 2°58
Sun Conjunction Mercury 7°54
Sun Trine Uranus 5°34
Sun Trine Pluto 6°56
Sun Quincunx Ascendant 1°33
Moon Trine Mars 7°33
Moon Sextile Jupiter 7°53
Moon Trine Neptune 6°30
Moon Opposition Pluto 3°58
Mercury Trine Uranus 2°20
Venus Square Neptune 4°15
Mars Opposition Jupiter 0°19
Mars Trine Neptune 1°04
Mars Sextile Pluto 3°35
Jupiter Sextile Neptune 1°23
Jupiter Trine Pluto 3°55
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°32

[Sanity Claws]

10. Is there a reason you used 6:43 PM for the time?

The info I got was that his birthtime was 8:43 PM. Do you have a different source? Or was this a typo?

[cassiepriam]

13. Just saw the time difference here. Which one is correct?

Also has anyone verified the exact place of birth? Lots of Brooklyns listed.

[Sanity Claws]

14. You have the right place

I read his background so the Brooklyn in Kings County, the one you chose, sounds right.
As for the time, the only info I had was the original time I stated, 8:43 PM. It is not verified, just something I found at Astrodata in a discussion about Bush.

[cassiepriam]

15. Thanks!

[Sweet Freedom]

16. Oops! Typo. Thanks for catching!

With corrected info:

AstroText Portrait - Short Edition

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for Fitz (male)
born on 22 Dec 1960 local time 08:43 pm
in Brooklyn (Kings County), NY (US) U.T. 01+43
73w56, 40n38 sid. time 02:53:41

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Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 01°14'36 05 direct
Moon Pisces 05°18'20 07 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 23°23'14 05 direct
Venus Aquarius 14°58'09 06 direct
Mars Cancer 11°38'54 11 retrograde
Jupiter Capricorn 12°01'23 05 direct
Saturn Capricorn 18°32'40 05 direct
Uranus Leo 25°35'11 01 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 10°37'10 03 direct
Pluto Virgo 08°05'24 01 retrograde
True Node Virgo 08°41'48 01 retrograde


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 23°13'54
2nd House Virgo 15°32'51
3rd House Libra 12°59'20
Imum Coeli Scorpio 15°53'18
5th House Sagittarius 21°21'50
6th House Capricorn 24°29'11
Descendant Aquarius 23°13'54
8th House Pisces 15°32'51
9th House Aries 12°59'20
Medium Coeli Taurus 15°53'18
11th House Gemini 21°21'50
12th House Cancer 24°29'11

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 4°04
Sun Conjunction Mercury 7°51
Sun Trine Uranus 5°39
Sun Trine Pluto 6°51
Moon Trine Mars 6°21
Moon Sextile Jupiter 6°43
Moon Trine Neptune 5°19
Moon Opposition Pluto 2°47
Mercury Trine Uranus 2°12
Mercury Trine Ascendant 0°09
Venus Square Neptune 4°21
Mars Opposition Jupiter 0°22
Mars Trine Neptune 1°02
Mars Sextile Pluto 3°34
Jupiter Sextile Neptune 1°24
Jupiter Trine Pluto 3°56
Uranus Conjunction Ascendant 2°21
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°32

[okasha]

19. This man is literally born to revolution

with Uranus in the First and Pluto--also in First--conjuct the North Node within less than a degree. His Jupiter/Saturn conjunction in Capricorn, though, ensures that he will overturn the status quo within the bounds of the law and existing order.

Dayyyuuum. Go get 'em, Fitz!

[cassiepriam]

22. more on karmic astrology

In terms of the nodes the North Node represents soul mission, what must be worked on this lifetime. The South Node represents past lives; the soul must take the good from those lifetimes and discard the bad.

Fitz has his north node in virgo in the first house. The north node in the fist house indicates that in past lives he was Mr. Nice Guy who focused on what everybody else wanted, and had a codependent attachment to external harmony. The goal in this life would be to keep the ability to harmonize with others, but to develop personal competence and power, to trust one's own instincts, as well as to develop independence and courage.

The Virgo north node would indicate that his past lives were heavily involved in being a victim, martyr and/or savior. Also escapist via drugs alcohol. And self doubt, giving up, lack of commitment. Also mystical spiritual pursuits are common with this nodal placement. The karmic goal in this lifetime will be to SERVE with empathy, bring order to chaos, analyzing and categorizing, taking risks despite fears, valuing details. Avoiding the victim trap.

[leanin_green]

26. I believe you mean that the Virgo North Node via . . .

the Pisces south node. The victim(Pisces)victimizer(Virgo). Escapism via drugs, alcohol(Pisces). The Pisces south node is the total past life accumulation of knowledge that has led to the present life. Being in Pisces/7th house would indicate a martyr in close relationships, perhaps a addict/alcoholic spouse, self-martyrdom in the zeal for social change and a social vision.

However, with Pluto in conjunction with the North Node indicates that he has little trouble reaching for the next evolutionary step in this life. He is a private person, NN/1st house conjunct Pluto/1st house. He has the ability to conceptualize and compartmentalize in a purely deductive manner, NN/Pluto/Virgo, yet is sensitive to external criticism, Cancer Asc/Virgo in 1st house Mars retrograde in Cancer. Therefore, he keeps what he knows to himself until he has all the facts in order, NN/Pluto/Virgo. There are interesting times ahead because of the unique qualities of this man.

[cassiepriam]

27. yes of course, when virgo is north, it goes without saying south is pisces

I work so much with the nodes that I have a shorthand in my head, but I should have stated that more clearly. Thank you.

It is a virgo/pisces axis, and a 1/7 axis. Interesting his Chiron is in the 7th house as well. He has the moon, Chiron, and south node in 7th house. Moon and south node in Pisces.

And yes his escapism victim stuff is from the south node, as well as his Pisces moon. His goal in this life will be to be strong, independent, to provide service to humanity but be very careful with boundaries, and a desire to escape. But he brings the gift of intuition, vision, and spirituality with him, which is also emphasized with his Pisces moon. These gifts come past lives according to karmic astrology.

He must learn to be of service to others without wanting the approval or accolades of others. He must follow his inner wisdom. He must use his wisdom to not overly rely on others but to follow his own path.

And thank you for bringing up the Pluto conjunction, I was wanting to talk about that. From a karmic standpoint this gives Fitz a total dedication to the pathway of transformation through empowerment. Pluto embodies the drive to confront the deepest and darkest parts of the psyche and our planet. Pluto forces evils out into the open for the proposes of transformation. Pluto can transmute the black experiences to release a potent creative force. And the fact that his Pluto is conjunct with his north node indicates a strong karmic
link to this force and his soul purpose.

I am wondering what classic astrology says about his Moon opp Pluto?
In karmic astrology it is a VERY significant placement called a Hades Moon. This is a man with serious trauma and drama in his life, starting at birth. Perhaps the loss of a relative in childhood or at birth. He will face much in the way of abandonment and rejection throughout his life. This is a very complex placement and I will try and look at it some more.

Sun in Cap (from Judy Hall's Past Life Astrology).
Cap Sun's karmic gift is controlled self expression, impartial authority, and a reliable and rule abiding stance. He is resilient in the face of set backs and stalwart over tasks. He has a natural authority and others follow him because they respect him. He has the talent to see what must be done, organize it efficiently and see it through to the end for the good of the whole. He is ethical and upright and supports society and its aims. His major karmic goal as a Cap is to live authentically from his Self and use that inner authority and power for the advancement of society. He must not blindly follow the existing power structure as he has in past lives. He must operate from within for the good of society. He must let go of societal "shoulds". This theme is echoed in his 1/7 axis nodal placement as well.

He must be cautious of playing it too safe and maintaining the status quo at all costs. HIs goal will be to avoid authoritarian conformity and to trust his inner wisdom.

I agree that his natal chart indicates that he can keep a secret, that he can create chaos out of order. Certainly he has all the talents and skills to do this job. His chart is set up in a way to do the job at hand very very well if he is careful to avoid the dark side of some of his placements.

[leanin_green]

25. There are a great deal of harmonious aspects here. . .

and just enough stressful ones to help him keep an edge. He has a keen sense of justice, Merc/Sag, Venus/Aquarius. An almost holy zeal for justice on those in high places, Jupiter/Saturn/Capricorn. Which also gives him an air of authortity and if developed positively, an almost fatherly instinct to protect society, Mars retrograde/Cancer opposition Jupiter/Saturn/Capricorn. The only real potential problem is with the Jupiter/Saturn/Mars opposition. Mars is retrograde in Cancer. This explains his avoidance of the spotlight and keeping to himself. He lives internally without many close associates. He has a problem with those in aurthority, Mars opposition Saturn. This is somewhat modified by the Satrun conjunction with Jupiter. This could hurt him in the climate of Washington. We as the people will need to surround him with a nurturing/protective energy as he exposes himself(probably for the first time on this scale)to all the nastiness that is Washington D.C. in the hands of such an evil group.

[emcguffie]

37. That's the right Brooklyn. NT

[Sweet Freedom]

6. More

I guess I can't post it all, but one section of his forecast based on the info I entered:

Pluto conjunction Mercury: Secret investigations
Mid December 2004 until beginning of October 2006:

snip

Your concern for the truth is deepened during this time. You want to get to the bottom of any issue that concerns you, letting nothing stand in your way. Obviously this is a good time for any kind of research or investigation, particularly if you are investigating something hidden or secret. Your perception is sharpened so that you can see the facts more clearly and take advantage of your knowledge.
Once you have thoroughly researched your position on any matter, you can tell others what you have learned. As mentioned above, this influence gives you the power to persuade people and sway them to your point of view. However, if you try to convince people from a narrow egotistical position, not because of a real concern with truth, you will provoke opposition to your ideas, which could defeat you.

Even if you do not try to coerce others with your ideas, others may try to do so with you. Again you have to recognize whether their motives are egotistical or whether they really want to help you learn. Listen to those who want to help you, because they can show you much. The former type will force you to reexamine your own thinking and see where it is weak, but do not automatically surrender to someone else's ideas. Merely question your own.

At its best, this influence can bring you tremendous new understanding about life, if you are flexible enough to learn at all times, even when you are the teacher. Flexibility is very important, because the greatest danger of this influence is that without it you can be victimized by an obsession or fanatical ideal. Then you will only find yourself in furious struggles with others who regard you as a threat that must be curbed.

/snip

[Sanity Claws]

7. How's that for proof that astrology works?

[merbex]

8. Amazing!!!!

[Sweet Freedom]

17. This still occurs with the corrected birthtime of 8:43 /nt

[Why Syzygy]

33. wow..

I think he's right on schedule.

Thanks.

[cassiepriam]

9. I am only an amateur and novice

I am just an amateur and newbie, interested in karmic astrology.
Fitz's chart is very interesting. He has a Hades moon in Pisces.
(Moon opposition Pluto). Very significant from a karmic perspective.
Too much to even begin talking about. Blew me away when I saw that.

Also north node in Virgo. Past lives very spiritual, soul mission in this life is to use use this spirituality in a very down to earth practical way with an emphasis on analytical and reasoning skills.

I like the Cap Sun and Pisces Moon. Good combo. Strong, practical but sensitive, highly intuitive.

I also examined Bush's chart. He has karmic history of abusing power. His present natal chart was set up clearly for him to rectify his past mistakes (with karmic ties to father and brother in the past as well). Looks like he is making the same mistakes he has in past lives. Abuse of power, total disregard of others' welfare, etc etc. It is particularly upsetting because his current natal chart seemed to have everything he needed to become a good kind
righteous leader? Instead he reverted back to his cruel evil past lives.

Again I am just a newbie. Would appreciate anybody else's input and or feedback.

[suziedemocrat]

11. AMAZING!! Where did you learn about karmic astrology?

Sounds facinating!

[cassiepriam]

12. Just been reading and studying for about a year.

I love it. Just a hobby however.
The natal chart appears to be quite complex and multilayered, multidimensional. It is beautifully simple but exceptionally complex. It can be viewed from many standpoints.

I am interested in the soul mission, soul purpose standpoint. As well as how past lives fit into that picture.

I got interested in astrology when I first looked at my natal chart. It was clearly trying to tell me something. Actually the same themes over and over, was driving some sort of point home to me. Karmic astrology helped me sort it all out.

[suziedemocrat]

20. What books would you recommend to start learning about karmic astrology?

I dable in astrology, but I'd like to know more about the karmic stuff you are talking about.

[cassiepriam]

21. Here are two books I really like

Judy Hall is really good

Patterns of the Past The Birthchart, Karma, and Reincarnation
by Judy Hall (get the 2000 edition)

Astrology for the Soul by Jan Spiller

[suziedemocrat]

23. Thanks!!

[cassiepriam]

28. One more very good book, and more on Karmic Astrol, and Bush

Past Life Astrology by Judy Hall. It is an excellent overview and the first book I would get.

Karmic astrology states that our natal chart is not a random event. It is based upon karma and past lives. Our chart reflects what has gone before and what we are meant to work on in this life. Karmic astrology believes in free will. The natal chart shows the pattern you have laid down, your destiny, but it also shows where you can use your free will to grow and find a positive outcome for your karma. Or you can make the same mistakes you have in your past lives.

When I looked at Bush's chart it was so clear what he was meant to do in this life. He had such a bad history along with family members of abusing power. He was set up to do better in this lifetime. But he has blown it. Frankly he is karmic toast.

I hate to be him when he goes before the karmic review board. Not a pretty picture.

[cassiepriam]

18. 22 Dec 1960 local time 08:43 pm

Is this right then??

Fitz (male)
born on 22 Dec 1960 local time 08:43 pm
in Brooklyn (Kings County), NY (US) U.T. 01+43
73w56, 40n38 sid. time 02:53:41

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Capricorn 01°14'36 05 direct
Moon Pisces 05°18'20 07 direct
Mercury Sagittarius 23°23'14 05 direct
Venus Aquarius 14°58'09 06 direct
Mars Cancer 11°38'54 11 retrograde
Jupiter Capricorn 12°01'23 05 direct
Saturn Capricorn 18°32'40 05 direct
Uranus Leo 25°35'11 01 retrograde
Neptune Scorpio 10°37'10 03 direct
Pluto Virgo 08°05'24 01 retrograde
True Node Virgo 08°41'48 01 retrograde


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 23°13'54
2nd House Virgo 15°32'51
3rd House Libra 12°59'20
Imum Coeli Scorpio 15°53'18
5th House Sagittarius 21°21'50
6th House Capricorn 24°29'11
Descendant Aquarius 23°13'54
8th House Pisces 15°32'51
9th House Aries 12°59'20
Medium Coeli Taurus 15°53'18
11th House Gemini 21°21'50
12th House Cancer 24°29'11

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 4°04
Sun Conjunction Mercury 7°51
Sun Trine Uranus 5°39
Sun Trine Pluto 6°51
Moon Trine Mars 6°21
Moon Sextile Jupiter 6°43
Moon Trine Neptune 5°19
Moon Opposition Pluto 2°47
Mercury Trine Uranus 2°12
Mercury Trine Ascendant 0°09
Venus Square Neptune 4°21
Mars Opposition Jupiter 0°22
Mars Trine Neptune 1°02
Mars Sextile Pluto 3°34
Jupiter Sextile Neptune 1°24
Jupiter Trine Pluto 3°56
Uranus Conjunction Ascendant 2°21
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°32

[flpeach]

24. Check out Astroworld

Sally has a new astro-article up on Fitz and it's good!

WILLY WONKA AND PATRICK FITZGERALD

http://astroworld.us/

[Pathwalker]

29. Venus conjuncts Pluto tomorrow. 22Sag.38

Patrick Fitzgerald's Mercury is 23Sagittarius23.

:evilgrin:

30. I captured pic of his chart

31. look how many planets he has in capricorn

He has sun, jupiter, and saturn in capricorn, extremely hard working. Cancer in mars (which I have also), I think goes along with you putting your emotions and heart into your career, or at least that is what you should do. Also makes for some problems, because fiery mars in is watery passive cancer.

Isn't the big rectangle made by the different planets significant?

[leanin_green]

34. Yes, it's what's called a "mystic rectangle."

A very harmonious configuration. Also, there is a "Grand Trine."

35. I wish I knew astrology better, but too many other irons

in the fire. I sure am glad he has such a strong chart.

[NJCher]

32. one of the most interesting threads ever!

Thanks to all you astrologers who commented.

I will probably read this three or four times just to assimilate all the past life and karmic material.

I'm going to check out those books, cassiepriam. The recommendations are much appreciated.




Cher

[cassiepriam]

36. You are welcome. Once you read them I would love to discuss them.

The Hall books are very meaty. I have been studying them for about a year! Playing with family, friends and politicians charts. But just a hobby, and I am a newbie so would love to discuss it!

[Missy Vixen]

38. Birthday kick

:kick:

Julie

[Proud_Lefty]

39. Wow - my daughter shares a birthday with Fitzgerald

That's exciting. She's much luckier than me. I shared with Ronald Reagan.