MSNBC reporting that Hillary wants to keep her name in ballot box

[my3boyz]

at the convention? The pundits said she was doing it in case something happened to Obama campaign so people could vote for her instead. They thought it was unusual but typical Clinton angles. Goodness can they ever just quit? Just when you start to feel okay about her she does something else.

[Doityourself]

1. Heard that...

[babylonsister]

2. Go AWAY, Hillary! Please! nt

[DS1]

3. Oh Jesus Christ just FUCK OFF!!!!

[TechBear_Seattle]

4. Why is her campaign harping on, "Just in case something happens to Barak"?

Am I being :tinfoilhat: in feeling uneasy about how often and how vigorously she is repeating such statements?

[frickaline]

11. I wouldn't read too much into that, assassination is a reality they deal in every day

I'm sure it is often on their minds, particularly for 2 historic candidates. I'm sure it has been in both their minds as a possibility for both of them.

[TechBear_Seattle]

28. Not so much in the United States

If this were Colombia or Iraq -- some country where political assassination was common enough to be a concern -- her repeated comments might be normal. But here in the US... how often to political candidates get murdered? In any given year, what percentage of politicians die under suspicious circumstances? And if your assessment is accurate, why hasn't the Obama campaign made any comments about keeping Clinton in reserve?

[Arkansas Granny]

62. There are many things besides assassination that could derail a candidate's campaign.

Not saying that there is anything, but I suppose there's always a possibility that something could come up.

[Name removed]

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[Arkansas Granny]

84. Oh, good grief. The Republicans are going to be looking long and hard for

something, anything, that they can damage Obama with. I'd be much more worried about that scenario than I would be about Hillary. She has promised to support the Democratic nominee, the Republicans have not.

[thunder rising]

86. She has promised to support the Democratic nominee? So did Lieberman (both DLC).

[Hugabear]

82. Like the deliberate leak of those dreaded "Why'd he" tapes

Leak those to the media, insist that Michelle Obama is saying "whitey" instead of "why'd he", and hope that racists start demanding that Obama be removed from the ticket?

[Kaylee]

17. Me too....

:scared:

[Maribelle]

66. Its not her campaing that is doing the 'just in case' it's the pundits. Try rereading the op.

And just in case you hadn't noticed 'the pundits' have been totally bashing Hillary.

[stillcool]

72. Her "catastrophic event" strategy..

has been mentioned for some time now. I think that she believes if something should befall Senator Obama the Democratic Party would not choose her as a nominee.

Interview with Clinton: One Day at a Time
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2008
TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719900,00.htm

Clinton campaign on ropes

BY JOHN GUERRIERO
Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437

Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml

[thunder rising]

75. Picture Hillary as the new Geroldine.

[Clark2008]

79. Me, too, and I don't normally use tin foil for anything but cooking.

It is beginning to sound like she expects him to be "offed" in some way.

:hide:

[Skwmom]

95. A great message to put out there with all the hate they have stirred up

by painting Obama as a black elitist and a sexist pig.

[iamthebandfanman]

5. amen to ur last sentence

shes so self defeating. i still wonder about her motives.

[spanone]

6. go away ms clinton, go away

[SeaLyons]

7. Good idea

[zanne]

14. I don't want to assume anything, but...

Could it be just in case Obama is Swiftboated?

[thunder rising]

85. Of course it can be ... and who would be streaming out the ideas? It's Hillary!!!

[BeyondGeography]

8. If something happens to Obama she can have the fucking nomination

Her name doesn't have to be on the ballot box for that.

More special treatment for Her Majesty. Do you Hillfans understand how tiresome this is?

[Windy]

37. The clinton's may pull something... pay attention to her nuts operative Larry Johnson... as ex CIA,

he is capable of doing anything including doctoring and cutting and pasting a tape. I don't put anything past these power crazed people.

[JVS]

54. Actually, I'm beginning to think he should name a successor other than her to dissuade her from...

carrying on attacks. He needs to arrange things so she realizes that she can NEVER be president.

[Labors of Hercules]

83. Can you say GORE?

[kickitup]

9. Pathetic

She needs to show some class.

[City Lights]

33. I don't think she has it in her.

She's had ample opportunity, and unfortunately, she's passed on it each and every time.

[L0oniX]

10. I was expecting a court battle. n/t

[succubus.blues]

20. I still think she's going to do something along those lines.

I keep hearing that she's conceding, no, she's suspending, and isn't there a difference between the two? Frankly, I'm really tired of hearing about her. This is supposed to be all about Obama and I don't hear that. I just hear how we have to give her time, how she needs to talk to her supporters, how she'll endorse on Friday, no on Saturday, or this or that. She's the crazy person you keep talking to in hopes that she doesn't doing anything dangerous until the police show up.

[L0oniX]

38. Welcome to DU

...and Cheers from an old Haight Ashbury hippy of 1969.

[succubus.blues]

48. Thank you!

I've learned and read so much on DU that I'm trying to be more proactive. :hi:

[NashVegas]

12. It's Her Right. Get a Grip

[Ian David]

Yeah. She's entitled? n/t

[NashVegas]

31. She Is Entitled to Compete

As she has always been. Some people have issues with that.

She's specially entitled to leave her name available if it's true that there's some tape out there featuring Michelle Obama as a textbook example of someone most people do not want representing the US as a goodwill ambassador.

[JVS]

36. If she wants to compete, do it openly without all the fake concession bullshit

She already competed, she lost, she should get over it.

[Ian David]

44. Then I think that ALL the original Democratic candidates names should be on the ballot. n/t

[NashVegas]

78. I Don't Have a Problem With That

[FlaGranny]

45. Yes, "entitled" - that's Hillary.

Hillary, the chain jerker, jerking the chains of her supporters and all the rest of us, on-again, off-again Hillary.

[speedoo]

47. She DID compete. She fucking LOST. nt

[dionysus]

the competition is over, your queen lost. learn to adjust.

[gulfcoastliberal]

91. That's right, and she lost - fair & square.

She needs to endorse Obama and stop these bullshit games. She lost. She's the loser.

[JVS]

13. What a fucking vulture.

[hayu_lol]

19. Hillary is no vulture...

she is instead, a very astute politician.

She is not like QUITTER KERRY.

No one is presently the crowned nominee. You really have to remember that. Clinching has it's own very special meaning...it is meaningful only when used as MSM political gibberish.

Have fun with half the party.

[JVS]

25. She's a vulture. It's obvious that she's waiting for "bad things" to happen .

She's scum.

[Kool Kitty]

74. So we should always have someone "waiting in the wings",

like the understudy in a friggin' high school play, in case we nominate someone who just "might" have a problem? Is this what we are going to do from now on? Why, because "9/11 changed everything" or some other such nonsense? If Hillary had gotten the nom, would it be acceptable for Obama to stick around just in case she "had a problem"? Do you honestly think that she is that pure and that the GOP wouldn't be able to dig up something?
It doesn't make her look like an astute politician, it makes her look like someone who just can't leave the stage and the limelight, who was touted by the MSM as the inevitable candidate, and who can't face the reality that she lost.

[JackORoses]

88. she is a piece of trash masquerading as a Democrat

She doesn't own half the Party,
only the fanatics like you.

President Obama forgives your ignorance.

[trickydix2000]

34. agreed

this is SAD

[Kittycat]

53. Also agreed, and it's so misleading of her to her supporters

By staying on the ballot, she's keeping them in limbo, "Just in case". Until she releases them fully, she's doing nothing more than trying to sabotage the Dem nominee.

[JVS]

56. The conflict of interests is so astounding.

I support him, but who knows what kind of scandal or violence might remove him, in which case, vote for ME!!!!

[Ian David]

15. What a fucking selfish, self-important, ungracious, piece of shit she is if that's true.

If it's not true... I guess she's still a fucking selfish, self-important, ungracious, piece of shit... only not as much.

[NYCGirl]

22. And she's probably trying to convince herself that somehow this cold, calculated

move is "noble" and "only thinking of the party."

[havocmom]

16. And her more rabid proponent here can't understand why we are still critical of her

They want us to lay off because it's over, but she (and they) won't admit that it's over.

And they never got that trying to have things both ways is part of why HRC lost favor from so many of us who used to really love her.

[Ian David]

24. Game on! Again! Thanks, Hillary! So much for healing and Unity.

http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/vwt.jpg

[Ian David]

18. I am SURE that if something happened to Obama, they could run to Kinkos and print new ballots.

She's just being a flaming turdball.

[succubus.blues]

26. And just maybe they could put

Edwards name on it or Kucinich's name.

[breakaleg]

21. This explains a question I had. I wondered why it took top supporters to "convince" her to quit

yesterday. Obama has won, she's lost, why is she hanging around? For weeks she said she wanted to finish the primaries. Her supporters claimed she saw the math and knew she couldn't win. Then they said she needed time to absorb the loss.

But it looks like she needs to be pushed out as she's not ready to face the facts.

[Kaylee]

23. Then the story at the convention would be how many votes she received...no thanks.

[Name removed]

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[helderheid]

29. JEEBUS is she morbid!

[City Lights]

30. Uh boy.

Take your "just in case something happened to Obama" and stick it where the sun don't shine, mkay, Hill!

[Jersey Devil]

32. This is not unusual and doesn't bother me

There is no "ballot box". Her name is placed in nomination, seconded, there are two speeches about how great she is, her delegates get to shout and chant "Hillary" and then Obama gets the same treatment. They call the roll and Obama wins. Hell, that used to be done all the time. I don't see how it is a problem.

[NashVegas]

35. Yup

I remember that very clearly at the 1992 convention.

[Jersey Devil]

41. You have to let her supporters hoot and holler

It is not divisive. If you want "unity" you have to let them celebrate a little for their candidate after a hard fought campaign. Hillary will say nothing divisive and Obama supporters will even praise her. Hey, I support Obama but getting paranoid over Hillary being nominated is just silly. Having only one name placed in nomination is an exception, not the rule.

[progetto]

61. I'm OK with her having her moment.

More important is that she make a real concession soon. Not another weaselly statement about how she supports the nominee and she's the best candidate.

[tammywammy]

64. Thank you!

I don't see how so many people here are getting upset over something that's pretty common.

*shrug*

Let me see if I can find more threads with people upset that she's suspending her campaign and not ending it. LOL

[frylock]

90. can you point to other examples of this?

i certainly don't recall any talk of a backup quarterback in the 2004 elections.

[Jersey Devil]

92. Well, certainly the language used was unfortunate

I don't know how long ago they stopped doing it, but I do remember that it was traditional for major candidates to have their names placed in nomination, seconded and votes cast for them on the first ballot. Then, when the winner was declared, there would be a motion to make the decision unanimous and all delegates for all candidates would vote to make the nomination unanimous. The idea was to let those who participated and their supporters cheer and celebrate in order to make them a part of the process.

That custom may have been done away with in the interest of TV theater in the past 2-3 conventions, but growing up I remember it being done all the time by both parties.

[Zodiak]

39. This is a delaying tactic

...for some hideous last minute attempt to steal the nomination. Bank on it.

She is relying on us to enable her, as well....to "preserve her feelings".

How many times has she promised to do the right thing only to go completely the opposite direction?

Get rid of her...she is not trustworthy and has too much motive to destroy our nominee.

[amb123]

40. So Hillary is the "Backup Nominee" in case the Primary Nominee "fails"

It's like she's praying for something horrible to happen to Obama. Disgusting!

[stillcool]

76. and insisting that should..

such and event take place, she be the one that benefits.

[Ian David]

42. Maybe she plans to hold Obama's corpse in her arms on the convention floor...

and make a grand speech, clinching the nomination.

Anyone else see the original version of The Manchurian Candidate?

[curious one]

43. OMG I was feeling good about her and now this. She is hanging on waiting

for something to happen. She can't be changed. She suspending, there is no need for this.

[FlaGranny]

49. Can you imagine her

as president? OH. MY. GOD. Her stubbornness equals or surpasses the Great Decider. She can't concede, she can't apologize, she can't change her mind, she can't admit a mistake, she can't plan ahead. OH. MY. GOD.

You are right - and every time you think she's going to do the right thing, she doesn't. That's what we could always expect from her I fear.

Of course, we shouldn't say anything about it because, well, "she's entitled."

[speedoo]

46. Get the fuck lost, Hillary. What you WANT is now irrelevant.

What is relevant is whether or not you want to remain a Democrat. If you do, there is plenty of work that you can do to ensure Obama is elected.

So shut up and get busy. Or just shut up and go away.

[TheDebbieDee]

50. You know, this is going to be a very long Campaign season.......

And, at this early, EARLY stage of things, I am becoming a little annoyed at how some of us willfully fall over EVERY speed bump placed along the path to the White House in November.

Some of us are going to allow the powers that be to play us like fiddles all summer long......

Someone wrote a book in the 90s called "Don't sweat the small stuff......" I think. I think we should take heed and choose our battles a little more carefully or we may all be too tired to fight our best fight when the repukes start slinging crap and try to swift-boat our candidate!

[Kool Kitty]

87. It has BEEN a long campaign season,

and it is over. We have a presumptive nominee.

[TheDebbieDee]

93. The new Campaign season is just beginning..........

And it's going to be long one. We have to get our Candidate into the White House and we won't be able to do that if we burn ourselves out sweating the small stuff.......

[Kool Kitty]

94. You know, what I should have written is that the

long primary season is over. The GE has begun. And some of this isn't small stuff.

[npincus]

51. yet another reason why Obama should not pick her for VP

[Adelante]

52. The Democratic Party has a nominee

Here he is:



http://dnc.org


Thanks, anyway, Hill.

[mystieus]

55. This only means she suspended her campaign. Edwards did the same... pretty much everyone does it

[Jersey Devil]

59. I was beginning to wonder if I was the only Obama supporter

who realizes that suspending a campaign and then having the candidate's name placed in nomination at the convention, coupled with the usual hooting and hollering when it is done, is perfectly normal.

[my3boyz]

57. I bet you even though she is suspending she will be on the phone

almost every day trying to get super delegates to switch sides. She will probably call every single day til the convention. Hopefully they will ignore her.

[Thirtieschild]

58. The scorpion can kill itself by stinging itself with its tail.

And so can negative Scorpio. It seems to me that their inability to let go has damaged the party, both of them and, in fact, the whole Clinton legacy. I came close to voting for her, didn't make up my mind to vote for Obama until the week of the primary, chose him primarily (pun not intended) because of the negative campaign against him. Her behavior Tuesday was disgusting, but I felt some hope yesterday that she was doing the right thing. And now this??? As my sister asks, only partly in jest, what if the RW was right about them all along?

[eShirl]

60. Never turn your back on her.

[bobbert]

63. Reminds me of Dumb and Dumber

What are the odds that a guy like you would date a girl like me?

small.

Like 1 in 10 small or 1 in 100 small?

More like 1 in a 1,000,000.

So you're saying there's a chance!

[Independent-Voter]

65. And people wonder why she's called America's Psycho ex-girlfriend

Begone HRC. Begone.

[ccharles000]

67. I don't see a problem with this.

Obama is the nominee and Hillary can do what she wants.

[Indenturedebtor]

71. She can do what she wants

But it's her duty as a so called Democrat to do everything she can at this point to support the nominee! She's done enough to make it hard for us this fall with her disgusting tactics and divisiveness.

[workinclasszero]

68. What a f'n democrat Hillary Clinton is!

What kind of a sick POS waits around hoping the democratic nominee gets assassinated?!:mad:

Or is on their knees every night praying that reich wing swiftboaters dig up enough dirt on Obama to clear the way for her!?:grr:

I serious hate Hillary Rodham Clinton's guts now. I've had a belly full of her lies, her helping right wing racists and the rethuglian party!

I hate that she took an historic occasion in our country's history and pissed all over it!

FUCK OFF HILLARY YOU ROTTEN POS! You and your husband are a cancer in the democratic party and you will be CUT OUT of it soon!

[Renew Deal]

69. That sounds like BS.

The convention can nominate anyone they want.

[berni_mccoy]

70. IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO OBAMA SHE WOULD BE THE OBVIOUS CHOICE

Though, on second thought, she is ruining that perception of her being the obvious choice.

She does NOT need to keep her name on the ballot!

[butterfly77]

73. This is why....

when someone posts lay off Hillary. I won't.

[Tippy]

77. Can we say Boby Kennedy?

[Thrill]

80. Sore Losers

[ErinBerin84]

89. anyone watching MSNBC?

Tamron Hall and a reporter from the Washington Post were just talking about this, and the reporter said something like "I don't really think that the campaign has come to terms with reality. They've been waiting for something this whole time. They still are hoping that a picture will show up of louis farrakhan and barack obama smoking crack together or something." Tamron Hall started laughing and said "Wow. What an image you just painted."