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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:05 AM
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Left wing media driving away potential Obama voters within the Democratic party
"70% of Clinton supporters say they will not vote for Obama."

When will Obama supporters begin SELLING HIM on POLICY?

I cannot understand why they feel the only way they can sell Obama is by attacking Hillary. This is driving Hillary voters, who would otherwise vote for Obama, away from Obama's camp. Obama should be trying to attract voters away from Hillary's side, but instead his supporters are repelling them.

Air America is now "Air hate Hillary," and it has been for months on end. You can try and say 'Kitchen sink,' but the left wing media has been throwing the kitchen sink at the Clinton's for months and months and now they are openly attacking her supporters too, who make up 50% of the party. This is not a good thing because when Obama is the nominee, and I feel this is inevitable, Obama will need them, otherwise he loses. Intentionally alienating them will backfire.

I like neither candidate, Hillary has just been too desperate lately, she initially was solid on policy, but that has gone out the window.

Obama has failed to define himself as a candidate and has failed to articulate his positions. He has been running as 'not Hillary' and has been happy to let his allies in the media attack his rivals while he ignores selling himself on Policy. All he talks about is Hillary.

If Obama's allies alienate half the party in their ferverance to attack Hillary, instead of selling Obama to them, they will lose come November

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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:13 AM
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1. Fair Weather Democrats
So those Clinton supporters would cut off their noses to spite their faces? That's a real smart thing to do, 4 more years of Bush policy because they want to be snippy. And it's almost a sure thing that there are Obama supporters who feel the same way and would do the same thing.

I like you don't feel warm and fuzzy about either candidate, but I will vote for the Democratic nominee, and anyone who wants to take their toys and go home just because they didn't get their choice, is a Fair Weather Democrat.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:14 AM
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2. Left wing media driving away potential Clinton voters within the Democratic party
"70% of Obama supporters say they will not vote for Clinton."

When will Clinton supporters begin SELLING HER on POLICY?

I cannot understand why they feel the only way they can sell Clinton is by attacking Obama. This is driving Obama voters, who would otherwise vote for Clinton, away from Clinton's camp. Clinton should be trying to attract voters away from Obama's side, but instead her supporters are repelling them.

The mainstream media is now "Hooray for Hillary," and it has been in order to keep this thing a horserace. You can try and say 'Kitchen sink,' but the mainstream media has been throwing the kitchen sink at Obama for months and months and now they are openly attacking his supporters too (calling them a cult), who make up 50% of the party. This is not a good thing because when Clinton is the nominee, and I feel this is inevitable, Clinton will need them, otherwise she loses. Intentionally alienating them will backfire.

I like neither candidate, Obama has just been too desperate lately, he initially was solid on policy, but that has gone out the window.

Clinton has failed to define herself as a candidate and has failed to articulate her positions. She has been running as 'not black' and has been happy to let her allies in the mainstream media attack her rivals while she ignores selling herself on Policy. All she talks about is Obama.

If Clinton's allies alienate half the party in their ferverance to attack Obama, instead of selling Hillary to them, they will lose come November.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:15 AM
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3. Very true
I turned Randi Rhodes on yesterday for the first time in quite a while and she was talking about Bills penis, thought I accidentally tuned into a right wing station.

I personally think the democratic party is history.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:21 AM
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4. Their policies are the same..
..even the most cursory look at their positions will reveal that. These differences aren't about policy. At this point it's about what style of politics we want. I'm tired of the style of politics of the Clintons and I want a new set of eyes in there for what is going on in Washington. I'm tired of the McCaullife's and the Shrums and the Penns and the Carvilles and the whole lot of them. I'm tired of feeling like I'm being scolded or talked down to by the Hillary and her surrogates who insist on telling me that I just don't understand. At 38 I'm no spring chicken or naive youth. But I've seen and watched as my parents generation as embodied by Hillary and her cronies have done nothing but buy in to business as usual and then chastize those of us who don't want that.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 AM
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5. Yup, we've now got a left-wing noise machine...DU has become part
of it...Hilary is evil, anyone who supports her supports evil..all the lies and distortions from Air America, Kos, and now Olebrman show that those people can be just as bad as the right wing in terms of dishonesty...why support that?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:31 AM
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6. Dear lord, now you're throwing DU under the bus because you think they DONT SUPPORT Hillary??? You
all really need to find another place to whine, evidently.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:32 AM
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7. Did you just try to throw me under the bus?
We can all play at that game ...
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:35 AM
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9. somebody help me, I'm under the bus!
Remember that movie "Speed"?

That part was haw-some.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 AM
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15. How can I throw YOU under the bus? I'm under the bus my own self ! I'm evidently
a left wing progressive Libral :-)
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 AM
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8. It's a vast left wing conspiracy!
Give me a break.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:56 AM
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12. The DU is microcosm of it, but the left wing media is driving Hillary supporters away
Until they start selling Obama, this will continue

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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:50 AM
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10. What left-wing media? Obama himself is driving away liberals with his love-fest
with the republics.

If they would both just concentrate on policy and how they would reverse the disastrous actions of the last seven years, they could articulate their differences but not piss off the other camp.

Attack McCain and the republic policies, not each other. Then, we libs could hold our nose and vote for either. As it is, the longer they continue to trash each other, the fewer liberal votes the nominee will get in November.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:58 AM
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13. Left wing media = Olberman, Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller...
...Randy Rhodes, etc.

All any of these media figures do is prattle on and on and on about Hillary

When will they start talking about Obama and going after McCain

They are shooting themselves in the foot.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:52 AM
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11. the attacks on hillary
from the high profile blogs, from liberal talk radio and from olbermann all began after Hillary started throwing mud, notably post WI. Yeah, many of these groups did prefer obama, but things only got amped up from the obama supporters and the middle of the road people when she went for the kitchen sink strategy and knew the her only path to the nomination post WI was to drag this out until Denver and split the party in half.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:59 AM
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14. And they have become relentless and obsessive
and they are driving Hillary supporters away
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