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Bob Geiger Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:20 AM
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Democratic Senators on Lamont: The Last Tally
I made a vow when I began hounding Democratic Senators for a firm position on the Lamont-Lieberman race in Connecticut that I would do the legwork for one week to see what level of support there is among these folks for the duly-chosen Democrat Senatorial nominee in the Nutmeg State.

As even the 16 people currently exiled filming the latest version of "Survivor" undoubtedly know, Ned Lamont defeated incumbent Joe Lieberman 52 percent to 48 percent on August 8 to take the Democratic nomination for the Senate seat Lieberman has held for three terms.

So the next move among the other 43 Democrats in the Senate should be a slam dunk, right? Regardless of what deference they showed their longtime colleague, Joe, before the votes were counted, many of us assumed that, if Ned Lamont was chosen by Connecticut Democrats as their standard bearer this year, any self-respecting fellow Democrat would naturally support the party's nominee.

How wrong some of us were and I have the final tally from my week of ongoing contact with the offices of every Democratic Senator.

Let's wrap up the supporters -- no matter how tepid those endorsements may seem right now -- with West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, who finally committed to Lamont yesterday.

"Senator Byrd is supporting the Democratic nominee in Connecticut," was the word we got from Tom Gavin, Byrd's press secretary. "But what the Senator is most focused on right now is his own election."

That makes 27 of 43 Senate Democrats -- not counting Lieberman, of course -- who say they support Lamont in the general election on November 7. And here they are:



Now to the others.

My wife talked me into painting the bathroom tomorrow and I decided to do that rather than spend time calling and writing the undecided Senators again and again. The way I figure it, I'll see more progress watching our new paint dry than I will trying to get an answer out of the remaining six, who have steadfastly offered no comment.

At least Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) took a stand by not taking a stand yesterday.

"He's not taking a position -- he's supporting neither candidate," Bingaman's Communications Director, Jude McCartin told me. "He's believes that this is a race for the people of Connecticut to decide and he's leaving it there. It's in their hands."

As for the undecided six -- Baucus (MT), Conrad (ND), Dorgan (ND), Mikulski (MD), Bill Nelson (FL) and Sarbanes (MD) -- I've decided that three and four attempts at getting a simple answer to what should be an easy question was enough and I've lumped them in with the group that seems to have forgotten their party affiliation.

After all, I wasn't asking them to fix the Middle East crisis or solve global warming -- I was simply asking Democrats if they would support the Democratic nominee for Senate in Connecticut.

Here's the final 10 who found that too vexing to answer:


And finally, here's our Rogue's gallery of the total sell-outs who are on the record as supporting Joe Lieberman -- for whom the Republicans are now giving their support -- over the nominee of their own party:



So our summary is as follows: 27 Senate Democrats for Ned Lamont, six who may have trouble getting a seat on the Senate Subcommittee on Sewage Management in the next Congress and 10 who have a hard time doing the right thing when it's staring them right in the face -- and even after I went through the trouble of writing their press release for them.

So there's 16 of them who are going to have a hard time looking Senator Lamont in the face when he shows up in the halls of Congress in January.

But, if you want to take one more crack at changing some minds, the toll-free number for the Capitol is 888-355-3588. The operators are very nice and connect you very quickly -- take it from me.

You can reach Bob Geiger at [email protected].
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:24 AM
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1. How many of the 16 still have primary races?
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:34 AM
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6. Not Landrieu
Landrieu doesn't run for two years and sadly I imagine any replacement would be worse!
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #6
59. "Democrat" Landrieu is one
SURE Republican vote in the Senate - EVERY TIME! :shrug:

I sure wish there would be a Democrat candidate in '08 that would come in and take the next election from her! :woohoo:

Guess everyone knows where I stand! :patriot:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:50 AM
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12. Bill Nelson, but no Democrats are running against him
A DUer actually filed paperwork to run, but reality set and and he never went through with it.
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billbradley Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:09 PM
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46. VOTE ALL 16 OUT !!
THEY ARE TRAITORS !!!!!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 07:19 PM
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52. While I would love to vote out Bill Nelson....
he has no primary opponent. It's more important to me to have a Democrat in there for majority purposes. Look who he's going to be running against? I'm sorry, but I can't even abstain when Katherine Harris is the opponent. At this point, all I can do is continue to be a very vocal thorn in the sides of his aides.
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mucho macho Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #46
63. I AGREE N/T
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:02 PM
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56. Sarbanes is retiring. n/t
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:25 AM
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2. Did you see this in today's Hartford Courant??
"Sen. Reid left no doubt in my mind that I would retain my seniority and committee assignments within the Senate Democratic Caucus should I be re-elected," Lieberman said Thursday, "and that has been confirmed to me by several other members of the Democratic caucus."

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-lieberman0818.artaug18,0,1390319.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:26 AM
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3. Hard to fight for democracy these days.
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KKKarl is an idiot Donating Member (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:49 AM
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10. This is nuts
Every time I think about this I think about banging my head against the wall. Is there no need for primaries anymore? Can an incumbent not be voted out in a primary? Are these jokers part of the democratic party of part of the "money party"?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:03 PM
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27. Are these jokers part of the democratic party of part of the "money party"
That's a rhetorical question, right?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. They are members of the Two Party that Nader spoke of
The ruling party in America where the labels "Democrat" and "Republican" have little meaning. Witness the fact that many GOP members are openly supporting Lieberman.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:50 AM
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11. We'll just have to help the
campaigners in Connecticut with Ned Lamont's Win so traitorjoe's fucking committees will be MOOT!
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #2
19. Has this been posted in General Discussion? If not, would you?
I think Senator Reid needs to hear from us!!!!!!!!! Please make all DUers aware of this traitorous behavior.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Can someone else?
I am not a very comfortable thread starter...:blush:
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #21
50. Did anyone? I posted the reply and then had to leave. Was this posted
on general discussion? If not, I'll do it now.
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LA lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Yes
A couple of times, Thanks.:)
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #2
31. Christy Harden Smith has a rebuttal for that statement in FDL
She is giving me the impression that Lieberman may be misrepresenting Reid's views in that statement.
Prove It
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angus Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
35. We are imploding
I never would have thought that this would happen. I've given up on the democrats.
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billbradley Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #2
45. WHAT????????????????? IS REID NUTS??? n/t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #2
49. This is outrageous and insulting. Perhaps we should begin calling
and faxing Reid's office in an overwhelming demonstration of disgust?
Truly unbelievable!
Maybe your news item deserves it's own thread....
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:28 AM
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4. My one question to Lieberman supporters
who are democratic senators - What will you do if Lieberman wins and announces his conversion to his true home - the GOP?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Won't matter. Business as usual for elected
scum. Loyalty is dead.
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billbradley Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #4
47. LIEberman might as well be a GOPig !! n/t
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:35 AM
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7. Carl Levin undecided? ? Sheesh.
The other ones don't surprise me as much.
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slestak Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. That is surprising
However I'm not surprised my senator is in that bunch (Bingaman).
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
23. He's being too nice
That's what I suspect.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:45 AM
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9. Today I have to hang my head in shame .......
Neither of my senators - Sarbanes and Mikluski - have taken a stand.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:53 AM
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14. I'm surprised at those two!
I thought Democracy and the Democratic Party would mean Something?!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:52 AM
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13. Bookmarking and Recommending
this thread for reference down the road. Thanks for your enormous work on this, Bob Geiger!

At least we're in the freakin' Majority! Those traitors are corporate shills like lie-berman.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:01 AM
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15. We need to remind these slack jawed SOB's that it wasn't just
the people of Conn that wanted to show Joe the door and we crossed state lines to see that a viable alternative was there to challenge this DINO ... and it could happen to them too.

Either they are asking for a separation from their party or they are not. Good ole boy networks be damned. If they are part of the party, and they want broad party support, they had better get on the stick and support the man that the voters chose as the candidate in the primary or they had better get busy changing the letter after their names on the ballot too.

We don't just want to clean house of the GOP, but we will cull out those in our own herd that don't meet the standards that we expect from them. Lieberman was just the beginning if they don't change their ways!

I must say I am surprised at both Levin and Dorgan. Shame on them!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:12 AM
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16. I'm surprised at Dorgan...writes a big book about corporate greed
ruining government and then can't see that Joe's one of the bigger problems in this arena? Sorta sorry I bought it now.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:26 PM
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34. Agree....Dorgan looks like a hypocrite not supporting the Democratic
nominee.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:23 AM
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17. I was wondering what these Lieberman supporters
and non commits expect their power to be under the possibility of a republican "unitary executive". A kind of powerless decoration? Or is this just a way of incumbants saying to dem voters "we're in control"?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:24 AM
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18. I been e-mailing Bill Nelson Fl.........no answer yet.....n/t
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:40 AM
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20. keep watching the paint dry - our Senators do
the inability of the sitting Senate Democrats to get behind the candidate of choice in Conneticut is indicative of the Democratic Party as a whole - searching for a direction and pausing at most forks in the road and not taking a stand - I sincerely hope they dont let this chance to out Lieberman slip thru their fingers
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:05 AM
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22. Hmm... One note about your photo groupings...
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:06 AM by calipendence
The bottom two groupings are described as "Democratic Senators Who Can't Choose Between a Democrat and a Non-Democrat" and "Democratic Senators for Non-Democratic Joe Lieberman" have pictures of Joe Lieberman in them. Shouldn't he NOT be in a category that lists *Democratic* Senators? Seems like you need a fourth category for non-Democratic Senators for Lieberman and show Lieberman and all of the Republicans (and Jeffords if he also supports Lieberman) that are supporting him in that category, not in the other two!
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:20 AM
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24. Good Post, Bob
But guess who called Ned Lamont first...a former 2004 VP candidate and senator from NC..you guessed it, John Edwards, who is rocking the boat along with Ned. As it was said recently, Lieberman got a first call from Karl Rove; Ned Lamont got one from John Edwards to congratulate him and to offer help. Edwards was there for a pre-bloggers "meet and greet", rally, then spoke at a fundraising dinner last night.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2785206&mesg_id=2785206

And see the vlog at the Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/18/91417/5941 by mbair..citizen journalist like yourself, Bob.

And the round-up about the Lamont Rally yesterday: http://bennycat.blogspot.com (Benny's World)

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:20 AM
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25. So What Excuse For Not Pushing Lieberman Off Committees?
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:26 AM by Demeter
Anybody take a stab at that? Harry Reid? Hillary? Anybody? Don't ask MY senile Senator, Carl Levin! He still can't make up his mind to let Lieberman go twist in the wind.....



The REALLY scary part is.....how many of those lately committing wouldn't have done so, had our DU mini-movement not made a stink about it? Thanks to Bob Geiger for the impetus and followup, and Bob, if painting is your thing, I could really use some help!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 11:44 AM
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26. So much for solidarity. Thanks for your hard work, Bob.
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 11:46 AM by Major Hogwash
I think I'll have to put in more hours for the Lamont campaign now that it has become obvious that Joe has become the most devisive politician in America - threatening to continue the Iraq War - "Stay the Course", supporting Bush's "kill 'em all" policy in Iraq - if he wins this fall.

Bush's non-policy foreign policy in Iraq has already cost us 2600+ American men and women.

"Yeah, I started the Iraq War, whatta'ya gonna do about it?" - President Bush

"No, I am not going to end the Iraq War, that decision is up to a future administration" - President Bush

"I support President Bush's stance in Iraq" - Senator Lieberman

"You're undermining the credibility of the President." - Senator Lieberman

What credibility, Joe?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:07 PM
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29. Levin is a huge shock.
He has good credientals about the folly of Bush's adventurism and questioning of Bush's lies. Particularily, that Stabenow who is running for reelection is not timid. But, both voted against Bush's war. Mikulski is my next big disappointment.
I think when Sen. Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer, hit the campaign trail for LaMont. That will really be a big help for Lamont.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:07 PM
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30. Talked to Bill Nelson's office.
Said loyalty to party is demanded of voters all the time, that we are expected to work for the winner. I said they should remember it works both ways.

I reminded her to tell Bill that he should remember that Lieberman is refusing to honor the votes of those in CT.

Again, I said loyalty works both ways.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:21 PM
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32. Thanks, mad, for calling
bill nelson's office. Thankfully, both the New York Senators are on board with Lamont. Shocking!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:24 PM
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33. This is disgusting. Democrats supporting the non-Democratic
candidate should be ashamed of themselves. And as for Harry Reid not removing Lieberman from positions if he should win, that's not right either. I hope Lamont beats the pants off Traitor Joe.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:32 PM
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36. I wonder if Trader Joes might want to change their corporate name soon...
Perhaps if Joe wins. Hopefully if he loses he'll be forgotten soon as well and they can "ride the storm out" now. I also wonder if Kate Bush and the band Bush also have had similar thoughts too!
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manchild Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:53 PM
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37. LOL
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1059689597&n=2

Bush might have found a replacement

...This is a political ad from 2004 for some redneck running for president...
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DesertWriter Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:03 PM
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38. This is all fine and good BUT
a) as of the last poll Lieberman is up 53% to 41% - what are we going to do about it?
and please, let's not discuss wide-eyed images of victory - this is a very tough campaign and Ned has to make inroads in the independents and "Libermancrats" since he clearly won't get any Republican votes


b) if anyone thinks Lieberman will actually work with the Dems in 2007, then we're crazy
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #38
57. got a link?
because i think you confused those numbers... Lamont is the one at 53%.

:)

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:24 PM
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39. Elected Democratic representatives should be supporting...
Edited on Fri Aug-18-06 01:25 PM by AX10
the nominee of their party, just as Republican representatives should be supporting the nominee of their party. That means that Democrats should be supporting Ned Lamont and Republicans should be supporting Alan Schlesinger.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:32 PM
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40. How many National DEMS openly support & endorse Green candidates?
NONE- that is how many.

That is the difference between what some conservatives call "far left" Democrats and Zell Miller style DLC tools.

We now see who the real, loyal activists & elected DEMS are afterall.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:38 PM
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41. issues matter more than endorsements
although fundraising does not hurt either.

As usual, the analysis at Liberal Oasis seems spot on.

http://www.liberaloasis.com/

Really, is it going to matter to the Lamont campaign if they get the Tim Johnson endorsement?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:39 PM
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42. Mikulski and Sarbanes?!??
'Scuse me, I got a couple of letters to write....
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:55 PM
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44. Quick note I sent to them
Dear Senator Mikulski,

I've always been proud of your work representing Marylanders in the US Senate.

However, I was very surprised and disappointed to learn that your office can not or will not answer the simple question of whether you endorse Ned Lamont as Connecticut's Democratic nominee for Senate.

This seems like a "no-brainer" to me, Senator Mikulski. Ned Lamont won the primary, and he is thus our party's nominee in that state. Republican attempts to boost Joe Lieberman are, in my view, attempts for their policy positions in Iraq to "win" over the prevailing views of our party -- and indeed, our country.

I urge you to take a strong stand in support of democracy and the Democratic nominee in Connecticut, Ned Lamont; and against the interference of Republicans and "third party" opponents of our nominee.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

(Sparkly)

I sent the same to Sarbanes (using his name, obviously).

It only takes a minute to express our views to our representatives and be tallied among constituents urging them in the same direction. They may not read them all, but their staff keeps score.

Please -- if you haven't already -- write to yours with thanks if they've made statements, urging them to stand up if they haven't, and urging them to change their allegiance back to our party if they're among the few who've switched over to Lieberman! (Even if you've called -- wouldn't hurt to drop a note, too!) :hi:
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ClevelandSportsCurse Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 01:41 PM
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43. Never underestimate the power of the good old boy network
As much as these people may agree with Lamont more, they have been buddies with Lieberman for so long that they can't let go of the friendship, even if it would mean standing up for their principles.

Let's not get caught up in thinking that only Republicans engage in country club politics. Democrats can be just as bad at it.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 02:14 PM
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48. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Raydawg1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:09 PM
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53. How can you even call this a party anymore? Can we kick Lieberman
supporters out? It's time we start asking ourseleves, do Dem. leadership want us to loose?
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WestMichRad Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 09:11 PM
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54. Thank you, Bob
...for your work in ferreting out this information. Actions like yours should and hopefully WILL make a difference!

My senators will be getting letters from me very soon - a thank you note to Debbie Stabenow for her support of fellow candidate Lamont, and a different letter to Carl Levin to remind him which side of his bread is buttered. I'm surprised he is on the fence with this, and I'll be reminding him that it is okay to have a personal friendship with someone but oppose his political actions. How he or any other Democratic office holder can support Lieberman politically after he courts and receives open Repuke support is beyond me.

Perhaps this is more evidence that maybe Nader had a valid point, that they're all nursing from the same big teat regardless of which party they appear to trumpet.

Let there be peace.
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 10:26 PM
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55. How do we go about...
...having the DNC strip the 6 traitors to the party of all committe responsibilities.

I'd like to see them explain that in their next election.

"The damned Democratic party wouldn't let me chair any committees because I supported the Independent instead of the Democrat."

BTW, I wrote Carper a couple of days ago, and so far I've received the form letter in response. I wish we had someone like Lamont to vote for, here. Carper's grown arrogant, and needs to be removed from office.
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mkb Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-19-06 03:10 PM
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58. Democrats Are Only The Best Alternative
     The Democratic Party is not the ultimate answer to the
problems we face, just the best alternative we have for the
time being.  one must remember that understanding the world
and reality is not as simple as it may seem, and that working
for positive change has to be done carefully so we don't go
backwards or suffer disaster.
     People who understand the money driven nature of our
political system should see that it's hard to get
independently progressive candidates.  But everyone who works
to make things better puts pressure on the system to be as
positive as it can be.  Hopefully, the right set of
circumstances can be achieved where things improve as much as
possible.  Your efforts are not wasted if things don't appear
to be all that good.  Keep trying.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:37 AM
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60. Thanks for all the updates, Bob.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:45 AM
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61. I've got a FLASH for them that explains everything about the PUPPET Joe
Here's my latest work all about Joe LIEberman's ridiculous run as a "Party of One", which reminds me of "Army of One" (which gives ME a mental image of a guy stuck under fire in a foxhole, looking around and saying, "WHERE the hell IS EVERYBODY!!") :) -- Makes about as much sense in a marketing vein. Party of One, Translates into "Party of NONE" when it involved LIEberman, might as well be saying, "Party of ME", eh?

This flash also incorporates the fact that the Terror Lockdown on Liquids, etc came so close on the heels of Joe's Smackdown by Lamont as to not be considered credible - even today they are confirming that people will walk FREE because they don't have the evidence to hold them, let alone that there were NO Explosives in their possession, they hadn't even made reservations, etc, etc..

Meanwhile they talk about charging a PREGNANT woman for having some water, and a face wipe - this flash addresses those concerns as well, the fact that WE are being used as PUPPETS in a The Politics of Terror.

Remember, a republican said they'd ride this last nonThreat all the way into November. Let's prove them wrong.. Let's VOTE for Lamont, as we all know this last Primary was a referendum on Bush and his faked "war". The Nerve of LIEberman to shit all over the Democrats. It's like using a girlfriend to get you through medical school and then snatching up the Trophy Wife once you've graduated. How can we ever trust this Puppet again?

One of my best Flash works ever, and to the Tune of "Masters of War" by Mr Bob Dylan, and no truer words were spoken in our time.

Have a look at:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20060819044200833

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:09 PM
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62. Kick!
:kick:

Let's smile and dial, people! :7

This one's easy. :)
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mucho macho Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:59 PM
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64. Latest polls show lying joe up DOUBLE DIGITS n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 03:57 PM
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65. Or not...
What polls are you lookin at?
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