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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:19 PM
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Question of GAY SEX surrounding White House reveal who we have become
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 03:22 PM by nashville_brook
Who here has ever attended an elite prep school? Anyone been to jail? Well, I'm sure everyone has been to the zoo.

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The kind of behavior associated with Gannon's flavor of "services," and Bush's affair with Vicktor Ashe, have nothing to do with what most people consider sex. I know this is difficult to understand because we *are* talking about the act of eventually bumping uglies. Make no mistake, that happens in the end (pun intended), but it's not "romantic." All the well-groomed bachelors of a certain age in surrounding the GOP and the While House, they aren't all looking for love. They are "establishing order."

Homo-erotic social ordering is at the center the Lord of the Flies world inhabited by the orphans of privilege who attend elite private schools. It's also common in public schools, and in neighborhoods. You most certainly see it in prison. Who is whose bitch. It's certainly not a behavior exclusive to the wealthy. I grew up in central Florida and the cracker kids in my neighborhood did it. I've witnessed it in the corporate world where you have the bullying in a hereto-erotic manner. Hell, my 14-pound female Italian Greyhound asserts her authority over her roomie, an 18-pound male Iggy. I love it when we have guests over in the summer for BBQ's and Astra is humping away at Trouble. "Well you see, they are establishing dominant order. It has nothing to do with sex-drive. If she were in heat, believe me, she would be acting much different."

Skull and Bones is supposed to be the final stopping place for the adolescent ready to leave that ordering process behind. Or is it? Does the behavior serve a purpose beyond the developmental ordering of youth? I would say it most certainly does. Who wouldn't want to be privy to your opponent's vulnerability? If you were the bully, I imagine you could use your reputation for mad ruthlessness against your peers forever -- given you maintain the rep through continued ruthlessness.

This is base nature, folks. It's what we form social institutions to guard against. The Enlightenment, humanity in general, the arts, music. Our entire culture until now has been centered on progress and The Social Contract. Now, it is Hobbe's State of Nature re-created by men in power in order to fill a need -- most likely a garden variety narcissist need with Daddy-issues thrown in. Always needing to show oneself to be "the boss," or "the big Man," is not normal behavior. It's aberrant. Transgressive.

Everyone who has an angle on the Gannon story wants to assert their reason "why the sex is relevant," or why it's not. I'm no exception. I believe the issue of sex is important because it tells us something about this administration's sense of social ordering. It's claw to jaw. It's pre-modern. It's Old Testament.

When Clinton was fooling around with his little muffin, it wasn't about him being a big man. He's not proving to the world and to his Father that he is better. Clinton had to become his own father. He had to grow up fast and nurture his mother. I have some experience with that. When you come from those roots, you don't have anything to prove, anymore. But you do get lonely. When you are everyone's parent, there is nothing left for you.

In the Clinton dalliance there was yearning for connection. In Bush's case the yearning is to stand over the vanquished -- this is called "annihilation."

We must get better at articulating what this is about because it seems to me that whether or not you believe any of the Left Behind crap, Bush The Annihilator, does. Those are the rules he is playing by. He is a sick man and he is going to take all of us with him on his Odyssey to prove to Poppy once and for all, who's The Man.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:58 PM
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1. you are good nashville n/t
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:02 PM
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4. mucho gracias
:)
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:01 PM
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2. Amen sister. I can't agree more with your comments.
Repuke supporters of shrub who are not the ultra wealthy (as they truly benefit from shrub) have always struck me as being sexual sub missives. When looked at from that angle the intensity of their attachment to shrub and his cabal of hard ruthless powerful dicks becomes understandable. Bush and his dick squad don't care squat about the majority of repukes but they just lap that abuse up.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:09 PM
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6. i worked for a top-bottom duo once
these guys had been competitive friends since grade school where they were in football together. the bottom, i'll just call him randy was on the gravy train from the top guy, i'll just call him ken. the bottom had a shaved head and gotee, btw. the top had a full head of hair.

now, the top was making an ASSload of money buying hospitals and raiding them. the bottom had nothing to do but torture me all day and all nite. he forced his way into my private life in so many ways it was nauseating. i'm a writer and designer with skilling in film making and broadcast video, so i was doing a lot of that sort of thing.

now, everyday, ken would get on randy about being LESS THAN ken was and everyday randy's sickness got worse. he would trash the office with boxes of he-knew-not-what. he would blow-off clients, procrastinate, blame and the day i finally quit -- treat vendors like dirt. it was all to prove something.

oh yeah, one of the companies they did -- Bulldog IT! HA!
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:02 PM
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3. How many rape victims are sodomized? Rape and sodomy are about power
when they aren't about love.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:06 PM
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5. Man
I've been trying to tell my brother this but the correct word always fail me, I'm going to send him this. He's gay too, so it's not offensive it's an explaination.

One question is why Jimmy-jeff gay? Is he gay? Is all about power.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:11 PM
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8. that and if you look at his resume you see that he a pretty big loser
and he probably found that this was one way he could play the game for himself. that and he probably does enjoy it.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:10 PM
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7. yeppers. even in the psudo-romantic pornographics sense, the buzz
comes from being overpowered or overpowering.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:40 PM
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9. Bush's whole life fits into this pattern.
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 04:47 PM by JDPriestly
This explains a lot of Bush's conduct -- his patting bald men (who does that? and why do the men let him get away with it, regardless of who he is?) -- his giving people nicknames (read how Sec. Treas. Paul O'Neill hated this in Price of Loyalty) -- his strange relationship with his daughters (who are sullenly dutiful, but compared to Kerry's kids to Kerry, neither really proud nor loving toward Bush) -- his patting Laura on the behind in church (horrors, did that really happen?) -- and then, in his public life -- taking on Hussein (the symbol of machismo) -- his close relationship with the stern schoolmarm and dominatrix, Condoleeza Rice (who seems to have never had a love life) -- and I could go on and on. The game you describe is what Bush is about. I'll bet that underneath it all is a scared little boy.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:49 PM
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10. Oh yes
I could see that. In some ways it's sad. I remember reading why Bush was so spoiled as a kid. Didn't he have another sister who died either at birth or very young? I remember reading about that on a site somewhere. I think, for whatever reason, he has to appear to be macho. Even on Earth day they had to have him appear in a photo with an ax and chopping down trees.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:18 PM
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11. Yes, he had a sister that died young. Sick situation from what I heard.
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 05:26 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Afterwards Babs and Papa Bush supposedly ignored Georgie, but showered Jeb with tons of love when he was born.

Edited to include from Psychoanalyzing George Bush:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book5Ch.23.html

In 1953, Barbara and George Herbert’s daughter, Robin, was diagnosed with leukemia. The parents took Robin on several trips from Texas to New York for medical treatment. They never told their son, George W., the purpose of the trips. Young Robin died in October. The next day, the parents played golf. A small memorial service was held the following day. There was no funeral. The parents never told George W. about their child’s death.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:19 AM
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12. Excellent!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:32 AM
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13. it's as good a reason as anything else.
bushco is a bizarre place....
and this sounds as reasonble as many others.
dominance is a mjor feature in the landscape -- and dominance among humans does seem to have a distinctly sexual flavor.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:34 AM
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14. repukes just can't fuck for fun, can they?
i couldn't help myself:evilgrin:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:42 AM
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15. Bravo! Bravo!
I am adding two comments I read - which fit this:
One from Digby:
I've always believed that one of the main reasons Clinton frustrated them so much was that his womanizing protected him from the ongoing gay-baiting subtext of the Republican appeal. It took one of their most potent arrows out of the quiver. The best they could do was call Hillary a dyke.
and this:
Mesg #353849 "Big Dog made them (BFEE'ers & Rethugs) feel so inadequate..."
Author PuppetPOTUS    
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=353833&mesg_id=353849&page=
I think Big Dog made them (BFEE'ers & Rethugs) feel so inadequate in that particular department, that that's one of the reasons they are blowing up the world now. I mean, they have to do something to equate themselves, and best that Clinton Alpha Male ideal -- so they choose 'shock & awe' and killing hundreds of thousands, instead of a blow job - where the only damage done was to a $50 dress from the Gap.
That's what happens when you have latent homophobes w/ deep dark secrets, insecurities and complexes about their own masculinity, get into positions of power....
They endanger the whole f*kn' WORLD.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 11:47 AM
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16. Very good analysis!
It puts so many things into such a clear conceptual space. I have been trying to come to grips with what the shadowy undercurrent or background was to this whole thing - and you hit it right on the head (so to speak). Thank you and with your permission, I would like to share this with some interested folks.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 12:06 PM
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17. * is one sadistic little f**k...
blowing up frogs as a child, laughing at executions as a governor, saying at the end of 2001 "all in all, it's been a good year for us", torture, giving his FRIENDS demeaning nicknames and rubbing their heads, etc.

We have a frigging sociopath in the WH, and the fundies think he's the second coming.
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