|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:28 PM Original message |
Jews reluctantly abandon Swedish city amid growing anti-Semitism |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, bollocks. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. This article is not about the United States |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I've been restricted to international political conversations |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. No, absolutely not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Wow. Way not to comprehend the story. But thanks for speaking for "most people". |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Apparently not in Malmo |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. Once again, anyone questioning Israel's aggression is an anti-semite. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. “Considering Israel’s policy, I can understand why people do not like Jews.” |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. A whopping 30 some odd percent saying they can "understand" it isn't anti-semite. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Is that like 'understanding' resentment against Arabs and Muslims for the actions of Al Qaeda? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Or "understanding" resentment by Arabs and Muslims for the actions of the US? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. But the statement was relating Jews to the actions of the Israeli government |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. In my example the the resentment is toward Americans. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
31. You realize there's no "understanding" bigotry against blacks and arabs for a nation's actions? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I don't understand your question. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Is it "understandable" to resent blacks and arabs based on some nation's actions? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Let me say it again. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
48. Lots of Jews are not Israelis. Lots of Israelis are not Jews. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. Hardly the issue. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So you would count yourself among that whopping 30 some odd percent? (37.4, actually) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I didn't expect you to call me reasonable and meme-free. n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. yes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. But that would be you. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. Depends what you mean by 'understand'. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I use the word the way the dictionary uses it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. No, most of them are not. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Do you count yourself among the 37 percent who agreed with that statement? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I would have preferred if 100% UNDERSTOOD. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You'd prefer it if 100 percent of folks understood why people do not like Jews? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yes I do. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I think its a deliberately nebulous question... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:39 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The Institute for Interdisciplinary Research on Conflict and Violence at Bielefeld University |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. And that should change the posters assessment that the question is nebulous? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. The claim was that the question was "deliberately" nebulous |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Re: deliberately nebulous |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Good point! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. I had to read it several times to answer that. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
74. The Chinese in Malaysia... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. wtf? shouting Heil Hitler at Jews in Sweden is legitimately criticizing Israel? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Nah. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Legitimately criticizing Israel is fine. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. I criticize Israel regularly here, but I have no more tolerance for anti-semitism than for |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. A guy walking down the street verbally accosting someone would meet my condemnation. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. sorry, but claiming to understand why people dislike/hate jews because of |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. But that wasn't what the question asked. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. that's carrying hair splitting to an absurd length |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. so cali do you "claim" also not to "understand" this |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. no, I don't understand it beyond that stupid people do stupid shit. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. a complete lack of understanding just as I expected |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. ridiculous. how do you think understanding the haters will change them? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. and your hostlity will make a difference? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I have no understanding of that sort of behavior |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. could that be because you are presumably an adult? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Where does it say the people involved were juveniles? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. By juvenile should I assume you are adhering |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. This is where things get tricky... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. What if the statement was simply "I can understand why people do not like Jews" ? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. sorry am not the poster but |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 10:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Well, that would be a different question... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. 3 and 4 are the same question nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. They would get different responses... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-14-10 11:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. If it is not really an issue of European anti-semitism, what do you think the issue is? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shaayecanaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Well, there appears to be white flight from Malmo in general... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:34 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Interesting - thanks for your insights |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Personally, I think the Jews in Sweden should arm themselves and |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-11-10 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
16. This is truly a very tragic story! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
32. As regards antisemitism in Europe, a few things to remember... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
52. does anyone know why so many muslims |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I would assume it's because many are recent immigrants and haven't yet learned Swedish |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 07:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
81. People used to ask the same about Italian immigrants here not speaking English... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mosby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Yes I understand that it can be very difficult for adults especially |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. Yes. All of us critics of Israeli policy are really anti-semites. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Not all. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. To the person who responded to my post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-12-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. How sad for you, for you learn nothing. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. The ignore function is godsend for the ignorant. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Hardly it means we simply do not answer certain people not worth the time |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You'd rather not engage and debate. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. depends on who there are ProIsrael posters I do debate |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 07:17 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Yep, that's why there's threads here with a shitload of exchanges between Az and Shira... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Whining about people using the ignore function is a godsend for the ignorant |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #67 |
86. More like the ignorant are a godsend for the ignore function nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Deleted message |
Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. You completely misread the meaning of my post. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-13-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Do you understand... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 07:19 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. That's incorrect. The article talked about criticism of Israel, not anti-Zionism... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:06 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Glad to see you back in the I/P forum! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. what is the "big difference" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. One doesn't have to be antizionist to criticize Israel |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
85. The study also says |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Almost 40 percent of Europeans don't think Jews enrich European culture? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Yes, but I think you'd get a much higher figure for many other groups |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Have you had a chance to look at the entire survey? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. My German is not up to reading the survey, but here is a link to a detailed report: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-17-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Further details |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. In the US the most vociferous nonJewish defenders of Israeli policies are . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I can understand why people don't like THEM. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu May 02nd 2024, 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Israel/Palestine |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC