Haredi teargases woman for using 'men only' sidewalk

[Scurrilous]

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"An activist in Jerusalem's ultra-Orthodox Eda Haredit community was conditionally released from prison Monday, a day after his arrest for allegedly spraying an ultra-Orthodox woman with tear gas in the capital's Mea She'arim neighborhood.

Yoel Kraus was arrested after the woman filed a police complaint. The alleged attack occured about two weeks ago, during the Sukkot holiday, as the woman was walking on a "men only" sidewalk, and refused Kraus' demand that she move to the women's side.

The woman did not require medical attention.

According to an agreement reached with the police, Kraus is to spend five days under house arrest at a location outside of Jerusalem and will not be allowed to return to the city for two weeks. He will then be prohibited from participating in public protests or public events for 30 days."

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[Sinti]

1. Why do the Jews and Muslims fight?

Their extremists want to see the exact same world. If they got together they might get what they want.

[oberliner]

2. Why would someone post an article like the OP in this forum?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the I/P conflict.

[Sinti]

4. I think it may be intended to point out the similarities of fundamentalists

regardless of variety of belief. It may be against the guidelines, I really don't know. If it offends you can always alert a moderator.

While it's not my thread, I would hope it doesn't offend anyone. I, too, didn't realize the I/P forum was for conflict discussions only. I don't generally partake in the forum - this came up in the Latest Threads section.

Wars are not made with bombs and guns first, and they don't end with them. War is made in the minds of men long before the bullets fly, the same can be said for peace.

[oberliner]

5. I think you are right

The poster of the OP frequently makes post that highlight an element of Israeli society that is of that nature.

What that has to do with the I/P conflict, I do not know.

[Sinti]

7. Many people feel these ultra-orthodox/fundamentalist types

are responsible for the murder of Rabin. The individual who committed the crime was ultra-orthodox, and apparently killed him for wanting to make peace. Conflict continues, because hardliners on either side hold sway over the majority who would rather have peace. So, maybe it's a back-door way of bringing that up. :(

[Violet_Crumble]

8. How is it any different than posting about attacks by religious extremists in Gaza?

Y'know, modesty patrols, honour killings and that sort of thing? It's just that you've started OPs in this forum before about those things. So why would you claim not to know what it has to do with the I/P conflict when it comes to Israeli religious extremists, but not have the same issues when it comes to Palestinian religious extremists?

It's interesting as well that you've posted more than a few OPs which don't have anything to do with the I/P conflict and because the articles are positive ones about Israel, you don't have any issues with posting those either....

btw. the poster yr replying to is now under the impression that only articles directly related to the conflict can be posted here and you did nothing to correct them. So I just want to assure Sinti that there's absolutely no rules against posting articles about Israel or the occupied Palestinian territories or anything in the region that's unrelated to the conflict in this forum. In fact, Oberliner has posted quite a few articles in the past about Iran, so he's very well aware of that...

[Djinn]

21. try posting ANYTHING

with the words "Israel" or "Palestine" in it - even if it's got zilch to do with the "conflict" anywhere other than the I/P dungeon and see how fast it gets pulled.

[IndianaGreen]

13. Since these religious wackos are of the same mold as the evil settlers

it sure belongs in this forum.

Are you upset about seeing the darker side of religion?

I suggest you read Marx, or better still, Emma Goldman on what they wrote about religion.

[oberliner]

16. But these religious wackos don't run the government

Whereas Hamas does.

[IndianaGreen]

17. They are the government!

And the evil settlers are the scum of the earth.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. These religious whackos are condoned by the govt...

And they do have representation in the Israeli govt. Even if they didn't, to try to claim that as some reason as to why you think they shouldn't be brought up in this forum is pretty ridiculous...

[ConsAreLiars]

22. Playing that same game again?

You post an article here about some Israeli tourist getting hurt in a Muslim country, but now you claim an article actually about Israel has no business in what is clearly labeled as the "Israel/Palestine Forum." Take a hammer to your head, it might improve your reasoning.

[Scurrilous]

3. Jerusalem 'chastity squad' branching out

Residents of capital's Beit Israel neighborhood say members of 'modesty guard' recently attacked young divorcee, American yeshiva students suspected of screening porn films

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3791902,00.html

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"Jerusalem's "chastity squad" is branching out and has recently begun operating in the capital's Beit Israel neighborhood. According to local residents, several of the neighborhood's inhabitants have been violently attacked by members of the "modesty guard".

One of the residents told Ynet that a divorcee living in the neighborhood had been assaulted by squad members, who poured hot water on her and beat her at a local playground.

"The 'chastity squad' members snatched her at the playground, poured hot water on her, and when she began shouting they beat her up," said the resident who witnessed the incident.

In a separate incident, squad members allegedly broke into an apartment where several American yeshiva students lived, sprayed them with tear gas and stole a laptop.

A neighbor who arrived to help the students could not identify the assailants, who fled the scene quickly.

Local residents explained that the squad members had suspected that the young men were screening porn films to local teenagers. Following the incident, the yeshiva students left the apartment."

[Howardx]

6. wow

this is sooooo much different than the hamas modesty patrols...



its not a theocracy its not a theocracy...

[pelsar]

9. i guess your confused...

between govt agencies that promote modesty patrols as in iran, saudi arabia and hamas vs free societies that have citizens that take advantage of those very freedoms to promote and push anti liberal agendas, which are usually illegal.

but then again why confuse with you a few facts......it certainly wont affect your beliefs.....(religion is like that....facts are never relevant)

[Name removed]

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[proteus_lives]

11. Don't confuse them with facts!

They hate that.

They just want shine negative lights on Jews and Israel while ignoring the same behavior by Muslims.

[IndianaGreen]

14. Religion sucks, and extremist religion sucks even more!

Misogyny and homophobia are never acceptable, even when cloaked in religion.

Religion! How it dominates man's mind, how it humiliates and degrades his soul. God is everything, man is nothing, says religion. But out of that nothing God has created a kingdom so despotic, so tyrannical, so cruel, so terribly exacting that naught but gloom and tears and blood have ruled the world since gods began.

-- Emma Goldman
Anarchism: What It Really Stands For (1910)

[IndianaGreen]

12. The Jewish Taliban at work!

Marxism and Religion

Written by Alan Woods
Sunday, 22 July 2001

We speak here of men, because for the great majority of written history, society has been dominated by men, and women have been reduced to the role of the slaves of slaves. Thus, man must be the servant of his lord, his king and his God, and woman must be the servant of her husband - her lord and master. For many women, the consolation of religion was the only way to relieve the intense suffering that arises from their slavery. This explains why in so many societies women are so attached to religion. Without it, their lives would be utterly intolerable. It is like a drug that numbs the senses and renders them impervious to pain. But it does not remove the cause of the pain or improve the lot of women. On the contrary. Although in its beginnings, Christianity offered new hope to women, and was contemptuously described by its Roman enemies as a "religion of slaves and women", in practice it is marked by an intense misogyny. Man's original sin was said to have been caused by a woman, Eve.

The most natural relations between men and women have been suppressed and cursed as mortal sin. St. Augustine described the sexual act as a "mass of perdition". The proper place for woman is to suffer in the service of man, a situation graphically conveyed by the sorrowful Virgin. No happiness is to be expected on this earth.

Generations of religion have set the seal on the unhappy lot of women. And what is true for Christianity is as true or even more true of other religions. There is an old Jewish prayer: "Blessed art thou, O Lord, who has not made me a woman". Under certain Moslem countries the oppression of women has taken on an extreme form - as in Iran, and still worse, Afghanistan. In India Hindu tradition has for centuries condemned widows to immolate themselves on the funeral pyres of their husbands. The emancipation of women from age-old slavery is thus in direct contradiction to religion.

In most of the great world religions, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism - at least in their origins - there is an element of criticism of the world and all its works, combined with a dream of a better world, in which there will be no rich or poor, no oppressors or oppressed, in which all men and women will be brothers and sisters. In both Christian churches and Islamic mosques, the illusion is maintained of the "communion" or brotherhood of all believers, that all are "equal in the sight of God" and so on. But the following day, the rich Christian or Islamic boss returns to exploiting, robbing, insulting and cheating his worker fellow-believers the same as before. When this flagrant contradiction between the theory and practice of religion is pointed out, they will shake their heads sadly and mumble about the imperfection of human beings in this sinful world, which is very little consolation for the worker.

http://www.marxist.com/marxism-religion-liberation-theology220701.htm

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Weren't you chided earlier about comparing religious Jews with the Taliban?

There are many marked differences between them:

1. The Taliban are Muslim. Jews can't be Taliban.

2. The Taliban aren't in a thriving democracy which is the bestest democracy in the ME

3. These over-enthusiastic but ultimately harmless religious Jews really do admire and respect women and in their own way are treating them with respect and equality. The Taliban hate women.

[IndianaGreen]

18. They are both misogynists and homophobes!

The scourge of the civilized world!

[pelsar]

19. actually The scourge of the civilized world is the concept of religion....

the idea that a single ideal that demonizes the others, is the real scourge. When an ideal has no tolerance for others concepts or ideals...that is the real scourge.....and that includes communism which has no tolerance for other beliefs....just like any religion.

all of these "religions" have to ignore fact and history to sustain themselves, in the very least make excuses for their excess as a "means to an end'.


all are detrimental to basic human civil rights.....and leave no room for real people and up and coming generations with their straight jacket mentality.