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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:30 AM
Original message
STREET PROTEST: DU committees for each state
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 07:46 PM by DagmarK
Okay.....we have some great ideas on the board today about taking our Bush is a liar (and a murderer) message to the streets in protest. Remember the jan, feb and march street protests? that's what we are looking for. Except THIS TIME, we just might get the media to listen and the dem leadership to listen, and no doubt a few flag wavers to join in.

See link for discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php

We can't wait for ANSWER or MoveOn to tell us they want to mobilize. We need to do this now BEFORE the BFEE buries this stuff (no doubt under the rubble of some horrible terrorist attack).

We need to do this ourselves. DU is the perfect starting place.

Let's get DUers organized by STATE. This is NOT easy to do on a message board.

I will head up OREGON with a response to this original message. ANY oregonians who want to join the committee.......reply to my OREGON thread.

If there's no Minnesota thread.......START one as a response to this original thread. All minnesotans, please respond under THAT response.

That way.....we can stay organized by STATE so we know who is on our committee.

FORGIVE the banality of my organizing system......but 50 states is kind of hard to distinguish......

***See, one thing each DU committee CAN do is apply for the PERMIT to march. That's a VERY empowering move to make......We got permit, everyone show up!****

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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:21 PM
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1. OREGON COMMITTEE to PROTEST
Okay..Oregonians, please reply to this and let me know if you want to be on a committee to organize a protest march!!!
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:33 PM
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2. Committee Kansas
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 07:34 PM by Code_Name_D
Out here in the mid west, I just don't think the street coner protest is going to work. We need to do something to take the protest on the road. Perhaps something like a road convoy and ture some of the towns in Kansas.

Come on. We have got to get on the ball here. Project Iraq out of Kansas City is not going to be up to this task. We too must do this ourselves.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:40 PM
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3. Okay, see, that's GREAT! You know your environ.....great idea.....
Okay other Kansasians......join in!
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:03 PM
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6. Its not a perfict idea.
I can't even say its a complet idea.

I see three phazes to this idea. First, a gathering. As local area protesters (idealy from each city) gather to distribute themselves through vehickels and so forth. Also to jury rig any baners and toe signes. (Alfa assembly area)

From their, the hit the road and start ariving at a larger aseembly area at a more dentral location, like Junsion City. (Bata assembly area.) This would perfrably be on the open road, or peraps at a public rest stop.

Third phaze will be to ture a route, with a few "whistle stops" to give speaches to locals, hand out fliyers, and ingadge the locals in debate. But the real push will be the convoy itself as long lines of cars pass through the down towns of the local comunites.

At some point (at the end of the route) the convoy will dispan to return to alfa assembly, and then dispan for home.

Their are some draw backs. One, you wouln't have the comordery between the "marchers" becase such conversations are not posible from car to car. All though small walky talkyes comershaly sold may bridge this, so long as every one buys the type that transmit on the same frewency. (They have a two mile range, and don't require a lisences.)

A piret brawdcast may be another solution as a piret transmiter could brawdcast to the convoy both rebel music and speeches.

Their are other lagistacl issues would be how to cordinate the convoy, food and sorts. I am not even sure what all issues we would be faced with. Restroom facilityes is a perticulery worsome problem.

This would also be an all day affare, rather than a steret corner protest taking place for 3 hours. All though one could make it into a weekend afare with a camp out at a public lake and folks living out of there cars for a Saterday night. The over night thing opens up new posiblityes though. A howdown for freedom comes to mind (given that I am also singel, and am frustrated looking for dates the old fasioned way. Such an assembly would be an idea way for like minded singels to meet and sawp phone numbers. Hopefuly (caugf) little else without appropreat protection.:P )
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:41 PM
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17. intersesting
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 09:42 PM by G_j
there have been caravans in the past that have worked thier way across the country giving 'teach-ins' leading up to a major demo. It's a wonderful approach but takes a fair ammount of time and planning. These ideas are worth brainstorming. I like the idea of educating people along the way to a protest.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:14 AM
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28. That could work too, but that wasn't what I was thinking of.
I was thinking of just a different way of protesting in general. One that would be better suited for the wide open spaces for the mid-west.

Street protesting works quite well for the larger cities of the coats and up north. But down here in Kansas, we are lucky to scrap together a dozen protestors, and the numbers are continuing to drop. Even in Kansas City, which is much more active, attendance is falling. And it is for a variety of reasons I am not wholly familiar with.

But even if attendance dose come up, numbers just will not mean the same thing. Up north, enough protesters assembled to shut down a major freeway, and that gets noticed. But down here, we are going to have to think of other ways of being noticed. And I feel we will have to depend more on style, than on numbers.

The caravan idea was one attempt to approach this need for style. But not the only one.

Another approach that would work better here in the mid-west would be a marching core. Marching bands are quite popular down here. If we could scrape up enough musicians, and place them at the head of a column, we would draw attention to the protest without as many people. Heck, such an approach just might even encourage folks to spontaneously join in on the march.

Wind the march through the poorer sections of town to bring them to an assembly area where orators might address those who are interested. And ideal way for meetups to approach the poor and try to get out the vote for Dean and DK I might add.

This will work a lot better than the "in your face" approach of the current marching crowd who thinks a bull horn in a shopping plaza gets the right kind of attention. Trying to get the crowd to chant down here is likely to get your own protestors to turn around and go home. They just are not going to tolerate getting into peoples faces, or into shouting contests.

Unfortunately, the organizations active around here are quite wanting (IMO). They seem content to "preach to the quire." Now this may work in the big city. But out here in the country, most folks don't even know we exist. I have no place to take this idea to, other than what we can scrape out of the DU.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #28
40. I love that idea
and your original one also. One thing I've always felt about our movement (for lack of better way to describe 'us') is that we have a distinct advantage when it comes to creativity. If a caravan or marching band works it will pave the way for others to build on this approach.
We may not have the money but we have the creativity. Great ideas! My personal favorite is the marching band, maybe because I'm a musician, but who knows maybe there is some combination of these ideas also.
Creativity is certainly one of our greatest assets.

peace, G_j
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:57 PM
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4. Are you sure this isn't GD material? If not then you need to...
...periodically post in GD in order to get people to look here.

I only say that because I'm one of those poepl that sticks to GD, the Louge and LBN.

That said, if this gets momentum, I'd be happy to help organise a Florida protest.

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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:04 PM
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7. I agree
but a link back would be more than enugh I think.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:10 PM
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9. yeah......every demoralized sounding post gets this link. LOL
We can't give up.

Heck.....when 5 to 8 DUers in an hour bring this up...that tells me that it's on a lot of folks' minds......we just stoke the coals!!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:59 PM
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5. North Carolina
I will bring it before the Western NC peace coalition tuesday.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:09 PM
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8. I have a few contacts
we need to do this...Q's already convinced that it's dead

we've got to do something

I'll do what I can to see what the peace and justice groups think about it, and get some people out somewhere.

Yes, it will be a challenge to get people behind an idea like this, but we have to get the anti-war folks PISSED OFF at the establishment enough to get back out there!

TIME TO IMPEACH!!!!

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:34 PM
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20. Count me in for SF Bay!
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 10:40 PM by Tinoire
I have a few contacts also and can reach out to several organizations.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:10 PM
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10. Their is still a need for a nationl pannel.
Otherwise, the smaller state comites will not be able to cordinate. We still need to set dates and issues, as well as to be a contact point for activists not asoceated through a DU:state comittee
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. a webpage would be fairly crucial
so a link can be given to people.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:52 PM
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23. Wonder if DU would give us space. This could help make DU
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 10:54 PM by Tinoire
even more formidable than it already is because it would draw in more activists who haven't heard of this site.

What do you guys think?
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:22 AM
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24. I think you're on the exact right path there Tinoire
Btw, sasquatch was asking about you cause he (or she?) said he hadn't seen you in a while. You might want to IM him.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:24 AM
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30. I sure will!
I've been pretty busy lately so have only ducked in and out of DU.

Cats, dog, garden, beach, music, friends and just plain trying to sleep in between all, keeping up with the rivetting news this week and posting at DU. lol!

Peace and take care :)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:50 PM
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22. Totally agree! And I volunteer to do this/help
Are you volunteering to take charge of this effort? Let's PM
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:50 AM
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27. I would do, what ever it is that I could do.
Not sure if sitting on such a committee would be a wise thing to do however.

I am only pointing out the need for one central athority. Preferably one that operated withen plaine view and in such a visabule place as the DU.

The people out there are ready to march. I suspect they are allready mad enugh to march from LA to Washinton in bare feet if needs be. Plus, I beleive they have already demonstrated the capacity to orgnize on their own, and with great speed too. All that is truly missing, is the starting gun.

Activists want to work together, at least the ones one the street do any way. But their must be a "together" to work with. That is going to be a much harder thing to build. It is becoming apparent that "pet issues" will not bring any one together at all.

"Regime change" is better, but I still think we should go further still. Restore Truth, Justice, and the American way of Democracy.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:14 AM
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29. Agree
I HATE committees but recognize the need to have a concerted, coordinated and organized effort if we're to do this correctly. If no one else steps forward, I'll do this. I can dedicate a couple of work + evening hours to do this per day.

But my forte is in contacting people to get them on board and logistics and that's where I would bring the most value. I'm not that great at the other stuff, like keeping a web-site updated and organized.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. My tallents are
in the writing, ideas, and over all thinking (what ever that is worth.)

But I might be able to call on a freind to help with a web page as he is an IT enegenre. He isn't a part of the DU, but I might ask him next time he is on line.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:54 AM
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36. That would be awesome
Let's chat. Just thought of something. I have quite a bit of unused server space. Check your in-boc. I e-mailed you some info
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:25 PM
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11. OK
this NEEDS to happen. However, having been involved in some organizing on a smaller scale, I must point out that to make it work there must be many people willing to commit major time and energy.
With only a short time to work with, I feel a need to brainstorm on how to get people on the same page, quickly! It would be very helpful to have people who live in the cities where the protests would be (I'd vote for DC & SF)working on permits ASAP! We really would need permits OK'd to officially announce a date. Folks who are familiar with the process would be important. Then the sooner a clear announcement can be put together the better so it can begin to be circulated on the many activist lists out there.

Just aa few thoughts off the top of my head.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:32 PM
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13. Okay GJ...........
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 08:33 PM by DagmarK
maybe you are right...maybe we need to start with the big orgs and get them on board.

In which case.......everyone in this thread and in Terwilliger's thread need to conference (yahoo IM?) and iron out an approach to the big orgs to get this rolling.

And focus on protests in DC, San Fran, NY and Seattle......and let the other cities' marches take form when those are set.

Ya think?

Cause really......the peace&justice, ANSWER and MoveOn.....heck.....one flick of the keyboard, and they can contact millions of people.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:57 PM
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14. I think we need to call them all
and tell them the people NEED this to happen soon!
I bet they have been hearing it already. United4Peace has a demo planned for NYC Aug. 2004. That's great but we certainly need something to happen ASAP. In the next few days lets see what we can find out. And yes we will need to conference eventually phone conferencing may be needed, if anything comes of this. I'll send you my email address PM in case we need to exchange phone numbers.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:10 PM
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15. Yeah, we need to make this happen.......
Okay.....I will send you my email by PM too!!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:30 PM
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16. first i want to find out
what they are up to, what they may be thinking, and what they are hearing from people. I think phone calls are the best way to approach them. It will take a few days I'm sure. In the mean time I'm hoping we can find some networked organisers here at DU and get their input.
There may have been some conflicts between ANSWER and United4Peace, so I hope there are not ego issues there. I think the first folks I am going to try to contact are Code Pink, because I feel comfortable with them and they know and have dealt with the other organisations.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:45 PM
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18. I just checked answer's website......
they have a few things planned.....but well into Sept and Oct. And then they organize various protests on issues in single cities here and there.

The thing about ANSWER is they pigeon hole their cause to include issues related to Palestinians -- which is GREAT......but it does get off the subject a bit, and certainly doesn't encompass the entirety of our cause: that being, we want a regime change here at home basically.

So......I don't know.

I do like your idea about Code Pink.......

As far as CALLING these orgs, what I discovered much to my dismay is that you can't even EMAIL anyone. Good luck finding a phone number. I was trying to get us unified in April and May and just gave up, because these are one way communicators. They have their agenda and got real lucky to get people to support them -- but they aren't really OF the people. I am basically speaking of Answer and MoveOn. But those are the two orgs that have the biggest mailing lists.....

I bet Code Pink is a lot more grassroots oriented and you CAN call them.

This is what they have listed on the agenda:

Saturday, SEPTEMBER 27:
GLOBAL DAY OF PROTEST AGAINST OCCUPATION AND EMPIRE,
& IN SOLIDARITY WITH THOSE WHO RESIST -
FROM PALESTINE TO IRAQ TO THE PHILIPPINES TO CUBA AND EVERYWHERE

A.N.S.W.E.R. is organizing for mass U.S. actions that will take place in NY, Washington, San Francisco, L.A. and many other cities. September 27 is the third anniversary of the beginning of the second Intifada of the Palestinian people whose resistance against colonial occupation in the past decades has been the very center of the anti-colonial struggle throughout the Middle East. This will be a global action of solidarity with all of those who are resisting empire.

***************************

Saturday, OCTOBER 25
MARCH ON THE PENTAGON
THE WORLD UNITES AGAINST U.S. MILITARISM

There will be an international march on the Pentagon on October 25, which will include delegations from countries around the world. Under the banner The World Unites Against U.S. Militarism, the demonstration will also demand an end to the looting of social programs by the war machine and the vicious assault on working and poor people at home and worldwide.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:17 PM
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19. well sept isn't that far away but
I think we are talking about something directed specifically towards the Bush cabal, am I correct? This to me would include the war,lies and secrecy, Ashcroft's policies,9-11, the assault on the environment etc.

You make good points about the difficulty with some of these organisations. I was on a list for a while where there was some major back-biting going on between members of ANSWER and United4Peace. I really would rather avoid that.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. I absolutely think this should be directed AT the BFEE.......
not their policies......of course we want those thrown out......but this about BUSH.......the lies, secrecy, and everything you listed. He's a nightmare for the USA and for the world.

Maybe once we get this going, we can also ignite a sister protest in the UK.....cause, frankly, the brits problems begin and end with Bush as well (with Blair being the agent).

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:35 AM
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34. Doing the same with you n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:25 AM
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32. Sending you my info also! KLet's get this baby rocking & rolling! :)
Peace! It's so much more than a concept! :)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #14
33. Incoming PM with info and one tidbit n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:49 AM
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35. Awesome!
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 02:50 AM by Tinoire
Check your in-box!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:45 PM
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21. how about "Question? W folks?
any ideas?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 03:25 AM
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38. I think the time for questioning is past
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 03:27 AM by Tinoire
We need something between that and 'impeach Bush' which might be a little strong... Of course by the time this takes place, it might be appropriate!

Whooa! Mo-Paul could sell a ton of his activist t-shirts through this! Bet he'd be interested.

Will Pitt giving a short speech? Bev doing a quick run-down of Black Box Voting? This could work...!

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I'm a helluva fund-raiser though I've never done it cold like this!
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 01:35 AM
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26. Here's an idea: get connected with the meetup folks!
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 01:38 AM by DagmarK
I mean, there's over 70K dem meetup members there..and they are all plenty fed up with Bush.

But I honestly think it would be wise to have ONE rule and that is to NOT use this event to campaign for any dem candidate ...so that we are out there as regular citizens NOT as folks who might be polarized toward one policy or candidate or another. We gave to be careful because Dean commands more than 95% of all dem meetup members.....and we don't want it to turn into a Dean event (or a kerry event or any candidate event).

But the idea of using the meetup site might be wise. For two reasons: 1) we could contact the meetup groups for ALL dem candidates and email them to see if they are game for a protest; and 2) we could actually start a meetup group specifically for protesting Bush. (Now, we would have to do it according to their rules.....which means you have to have a meeting 1 week a month.....but why not meetup about this every month? It isn't like we are going to run out of reasons to protest Bush until the day he is thrown out of office.)

So......that's a thought. The only downside is that Dean has infinitely and astronomically more meetup folks than any other candidate. I am totally for Dean, but this protest absolutely shouldn't become a Dean event. It's for ANY american (republican or otherwise) who has something to express about this. And we need to keep this pure. (I think the Dean people would be cool with that one rule.)

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 03:21 AM
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37. TOTAL agreement
I am an avid Kucinich supporter and while I would love to see him and his supporters at something like this, this MUST not become a partisan thing. That would be a BITTER mess and we can't afford that.

It's ok about Meet-up being heavily Dean because there are other groups we'll be contacting where people are either nothing or more leaning towards other candidates.

This should be a solemn agreement between all of us- that we won't let this be taken over by any candidates group- that this is not a political campaign FOR anyone- just a protest AGAINST someone.

Peace :)
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:08 AM
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39. I solemnly swear!
I will not let this turn into a FOR a candidate event.

And, as a Dean supporter, I will personally keep them in check. And since you, Tinoire are a K-gal, you keep the Kucinich folks in line. That way.....actual supporters of the individual candidates will be the ones to tell them "Hey.....this is PARTISAN!"

**I might need some help with the Dean people, though. LOL I "hear" that we are pretty obnoxious! LOL

This is about NO BUSH......

I PM'd G_J last night......I think we should really try to ride the wave of the 9/11 report. Bush got a blank check for his little dictatorship over that tragic event. Read this article on what to expect from the report:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1386188,00.html

"Highly Explosive!"

SNIPS:

Washington - US government blunders and Saudi financing of terrorists will be revealed in a long-awaited final report on the September 11, 2001 attacks ......

....described it as "highly explosive".

It suggests the FBI may have mishandled an investigation into how two of the September 11 hijackers received aid from Saudi groups and individuals.

John Lehman, a member of the separate and independent National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, said at a hearing Wednesday: "There's little doubt that much of the funding of terrorist groups - whether intentional or unintentional - is coming from Saudi sources."

The report, he said, will show that top Bush administration officials were warned in the summer of 2001 that the al-Qaeda terrorist network had plans to hijack aircraft and launch a "spectacular attack".

*****The friggin Saudi connection is going to come out!

***And Condi made a HUGE issue on the Sunday talk shows by saying, "WE had NO IDEA that anyone would EVER slam planes into buildings!" Really animated and now this report is coming out.....saying they were absolutely WARNED.

Yeah......if we can time this to ride the wave of HORROR about the 9/11 attacks, we zero in on Bush's blank check to commit treason!
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nocreativename Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:50 AM
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41. we should pick a date and move from there
So we are are all doing it on the same day. Sometime in late July?
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 02:10 PM
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42. I just had avery nice talk with someone at Code Pink DC
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 02:12 PM by G_j
I told her what we have been discussing and asked her if she knew of anything in the works. She said she didn't. She told me that there is a sort of perception out there that people are moving on and looking towards the 2004 election. But, she said her personal impression was that folks there in DC are feeling just the way we are and she connected the issues of the lies that were told to the present occupation of Iraq. She mentioned how people are still very concerned of the way we "moved on" from Afghanistan which is a total mess also.
I told her that I sensed in my own community a very strong desire to address these issues now and people are not talking about moving on.
I told her that us folks here at DU were thinking of trying to plan something ourselves since we are tired of waiting for someone else to do it. She said if we could pull it off she was sure people would come. However we talked about how much was involved and a month would probably be the minimum of time to really pull something off and even then taking into account permits etc. we could possibly end up in September which would put us fairly close to the ANSWER march. She gave me the number of the new DC rep for United4Peace in DC. I left a message and am hoping to hear back from her. My next step is try to get someone from ANSWER on the phone and discuss this whole thing with them. The woman at Code Pink was very supportive and I believe they would help us the best they could but are stretched very thin as their staff consists of only two people. Anyway that's it for now.It may help us to stay open to alternative ideas and stay creative in our thought. For instance could we pull off a "virtual march" such as moveon did? I had one fantasy that ANSWER would revise the message of their march. One can dream.. I hope I will have more news to post later. You folks rock! peace, G_j
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 03:11 PM
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43. Go with United for Peace & others-B Careful of ANSWER - they've
pretty well been discredited by the media, and others.
You can have them join you, but dont let them get the permit
(which they always try to get before anyone else does so that
the march can be under their name) Best bet is to have the thing
under United for Peace or whatever that is, amd contact move.on to
have them let their people know there are going to be marches.

You're right. The date is critical. If it falls during dimwit's
next assault the very people who you want to get the message out
to - regular americans - will turn against you.

has to be Bush lied.our soldiers died for corporate oil- bring our children home.or along those lines.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 04:13 PM
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44. yes I agree
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 04:13 PM by G_j
I just had inspiring talks with people at United4Peace in DC & NY.
Seems there is a grass roots working group (Iraq missing WMD working group)having confernce calls once a week. They have been discussing a mass mobilization in October with teach-ins, media work calling for congressional hearings and other activism leading up to it. It sounds very democratic and grassroots to me. I will be finding out more, the organiser of the group will be calling.

I have changed my mind about calling ANSWER. I feel that United4Peace which is a coalition of over 600 groups, including Code Pink is a coalition we could probably be comfortable working in. Maybe we could form a specific DU group for this.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 06:33 PM
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45. actually
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 06:34 PM by G_j
what I meant was pickng a name for our little organising group.
Also, I didn't mean to sound like I was ruling out planning something ourselves but I think it would be great if we could also partake in this working group and network with the other groups involved.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 07:27 PM
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46. The problem as I see it,
is that we are still too devided by pet issues. Much as how the 60's fell appart. Its easy to be pro-ivnronment or pro-marajoana. But in truth, these issues are secondary to the true mater at hand. The restoration of Democracy.

Once that is done, we will be able to address the other issues.

The thing with the pet-issues is you are opposing X. If you should defeat X, or fail to defeat X, it dosn't mater. Your org is doomed without its key rallying point.

But the larger issues I just mentioned isn't as sexy as "save the whales." Its also a lot more complicated, requiring more public education.

Where our protest must be directed at, isn't just the congresmen and administration. Lets face it folks, they DO NOT CARE what we think. We have seen this time and time again. We have to reach the people, and get them invalved some how. Only then will they care, when we through the bums out on their paverbeal asses.

Such an operation will not be as glitzy as an anti-war march. The croudes will be smaller, and you will have to have more events on a reguler bases. (Like a big march once ever 3 months or so. To coniside with the new fiscal qurters for example.)

I think the other orgs would have no problem with this.

Perhaps rather than focusing on a state by state committee, we should work on the comunittee itself. A vertual communittee in the truest sences of the word through the DU, so that the street activist, can still particpate, as well as drawing on the finer minds of our communittee. I think that is the infusion that code pink needs.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:03 PM
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47. If you dont mind my saying so, STOP TALKING & JUST DO IT- a thing
can be talked to death.

Nike has a great saying - Just do it.

You have too short a time to talk about organizing for the
next 50 years when it will be over.

you have 2 choices:

1)pick one location, DC or NY and all
take buses or whatever there.

or 2) put out on DU and web for protests in all major cities and little towns where DU'ers live.

THEN JUST DO IT. make some signs and get out there. That can be organized in two or threee weeks. People who posted on Salon did it
for Bill that way- you can do it too.

Just get the word out over the net.

Have everybody e mail one person who will get that person in touch with another person in that state. That's it.

Don't forget to contact all the colleges and churches, black and white.

Good luck.


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:17 PM
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48. Don;t forget to carry lots of American Flags.
:toast:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:20 PM
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49. hey, I like your attitude!
no really, you are correct, though if we choose DC or NY we need someone there to apply for permits. One of our little group is in the SF area. I'm leaning towards local events because I can go apply for a permit myself tommorow. Don't worry we'll get a grip on this soon.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:27 PM
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50. SF is good. If necessary just do major cities. but get going sweeties.
:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:28 PM
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51. Contact Tom Andrews - Win Without War - he must have website
google for it. he's all over tv saying stuff we want to say.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:29 PM
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52. Working on dates, and posting you know where.
:hi:
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:33 PM
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54. Call info and get phone # of American Univ, George Washington U
Edited on Mon Jul-14-03 09:35 PM by Pallas180
call labor unions, search for anti-bush sites with links
to organizations. Dont forget local Core and NAACP,
call local chapters of NOW, women's organizations...heh heh
heh, call local chapter of MADD - women against drunks, be
sure to tell them AWOL is a unrehabilitated drinker...hehe heeh
think along those lines of organizations, colleges wherever you
live, ask for head of student body or students against war...
you'll have a phone bill - but it'll be worth it

Easy.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 08:58 PM
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53. I love all these ideas........
Pallas picks July 26 astrologically. It does look good.

I like the idea of taking the message to the PEOPLE rather than congress and the admin. They don't care.

What if this was an unusual march.....one DIRECTED to the PEOPLE to wake the hell up???

And hooking up with the united4peace weekly conf call is EXCELLENT......

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:35 PM
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55. sounds good
we can still write Congress etc. but addressing the people sounds like a good way to go.
Perhaps this can be one in a series of events and actions in the coming months.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:50 PM
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56. Please read post #54.
:hi:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:11 PM
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57. yes I've heard him on the radio
i will add him to my list of poeple to contact.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 11:55 PM
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58. Here's another site/group you might want to contact:
Democrats.com

>>From the decisive role the French played in America's liberation from Great Britain through the Statue of Liberty - perhaps the greatest gift one country has ever given another - to the present day, the French are America's most enduring ally," David Lytel, Democrats.com co-founder said in a release.<<

>>"The French stood up to the Bush administration's attempt to offer false evidence to the United Nations in making its case for war and have suffered a vicious Republican-style smear campaign in the international news media since then."<<
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:05 PM
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59. Kick
*
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Amanda Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:31 PM
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60. I'm SO in
And will be willing to do what it takes to mobilize and organize out here in frighteningly conservative So. Orange County, CA. Anyone on here interested in getting with me on this, please PM.

Also, I will be willing to set up a Yahoo group or the like as a middle-ground meeting point for activist groups of all shapes and sizes with one goal in mind - Getting the Bush Junta OUT of Office! Just say the word if such a meeting area hasn't already been set up.
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:29 PM
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61. Wyoming
I've been working with Stand Up for Peace Wyoming since January. Check our website (below) for pix of our events (in the summer festival parade, our July 4 booth, our Mothers' Day party for peace, our vigils, our die-in, our marches). Click the "educate yourself" button for information. Click printable fliers and take what helps. We've been working on organizing Wyoming for about six months and we're doing pretty well. I am happy to share any info, tips, suggestions.

You will see some of our thoughtfully provocative but not inflammatory signs on our "float" in the Jubilee Days parade.

Our more provocative and potentially inflammatory signs have been "Where's Osama?" "Where's Saddam?" "Where are the WMD?" and "What about the anthrax?"

Our die-in was an especially great event and it wasn't that hard. We are now planning for a Hiroshima Day event on Aug 6 followed by a "Rally for Truth" on 9/11.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:45 AM
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62. HEY EVERYONE. Don;t forget to call yr local newspaper and TV
station and tell them what you're doing and to come on
out and see you.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 12:50 AM
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63. kick it
Edited on Sat Jul-19-03 12:51 AM by Pallas180

:dem:
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carols Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 08:39 PM
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64. Any Floridians here?
I'd be willing to organize here in Jeb's Banana Republic. I have compiled a list of every left-leaning Florida organization I can find. It is here: Florida Activist Yellow Pages It is just crying out for some action.
Carol
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