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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:14 AM
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'Condi, you're not going to democratize Iraq,'
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 09:16 AM by LynnTheDem
--Brent Scowcroft.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001024.html

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"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk.
-Vice President Dick Cheney
http://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/030414ta_talk_hertzberg

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think we'll still be fighting in Iraq six months from now?

SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh, goodness, you know, I've never -- we've never had a timetable. We've always said it could be days, weeks, or months...
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/t03302003_t0330sdabcsteph.html

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
– Donald Rumsfeld, 3/7/03
http://www.usatoday.com/educate/war28-article.htm

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October 2005; "Iraq stability could take 10 years"
Iraqis may have to wait up to 10 years before their country becomes a stable democracy, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2005/October/focusoniraq_October73.xml§ion=focusoniraq


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"Stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
-Col. David Hackworth
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

"Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
-President GHW Bush, 1998;
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
-James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

"We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."
-Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

"A billion bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003, Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster.

The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
-Gen. William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options."
-General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"No, I don't think we're winning. We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."
-Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

”We have a stronger jihadi presence in Iraq today than in March 2003,” noted Roger Cressey, the former director for Transnational Threats in Bush's National Security Council at a briefing at the libertarian Cato Institute earlier this week.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0911-01.htm

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Worldwide terrorism-related deaths on the rise
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435%20 /

US Losing the War on Terror in Iraq; The invasion of Iraq has increased, not decreased. the threat of terrorist attack
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2629.html

Occupation Made World Less Safe, Pro-War Institute Says
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2004/0526iissreport.htm

Iraq Invasion Hurt War on Terror
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-10.htm

Musharraf: World more dangerous because of Iraq War
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/25/03544/7945

Blix Says Iraq War May Have Worsened Terror Threat
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0319-02.htm

Poll: Aussies, Brits, Italians say Iraq war increased terrorism
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/5027215.html

Iraq intervention increased threat of terrorism
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/c7/9d/200409100845.68f9c878.html

UK Government; Iraq war 'increased terror threat'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3451239.stm

Iraq war has swollen ranks of al Qaeda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1063717,00.html

US State Department Corrects Report to Show Rise in Terrorism
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5264512 /

Iraq has become a terrorist spawning ground, CIA admits
http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraq-a-terrorist-spawning-ground-CIA-admits/2005/02/17/1108609349394.html?oneclick=true

Iraq Conflict Feeds International Terror Threat
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050216/us_nm/security_usa_dc_9

Iraq now a terror training center
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/canada_security_canada_iraq_col

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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:21 AM
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1. LynnTheDem for Secretary of State
in the next Democratic WH
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:24 AM
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2. Good gawd no!
I revere FACTS far too much to ever become a politician.

:D
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:20 AM
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3. but but but we bwoke it..... and the Iraqis want us there... and freedom..
blah blah blah.

Get out now. Immediate and orderly draw down of forces is the only way to start mitigating the crimes our nation has wrought upon Iraq. Not to mention all the terrorist getting top notch training, I think we owe it to the rest of the world to get the hell out because of that as well.

So many reasons to leave and none to stay except for politicos here at home not to come off wimpy and/or wrong. Fuck anyone who puts their political career above the lives of innocents.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:22 AM
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4. "Her job is also to deal interagency and to help unstick things
that may get stuck, is the best way to put it. She's an unsticker."
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:27 AM
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5. She's pretty good at unsticking; sure as hell unstuck Iraq.
And Afghanistan, too. Although they're only allowed to use small stones now to kill adulterous women. I bet the women of Afghanistan adore Condi.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:31 AM
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6. She also unstuck the C-notes to pay for her new $1000 shoes
when thousands of Americans were drowning.

Heil Freedom!
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