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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:25 AM
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Why do people say such TERRIBLE things about the Bush Family?
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 11:28 AM by Minstrel Boy
Perhaps because they've done terrible things.

About Kitty Kelley's forthcoming book, and her allegations of Poppy's pedophilia....

Have you ever heard of the Franklin Credit Union Scandal? Despite the salacious stories of sex and violence in high places, it was disappeared more efficiently than any scandal in American history. Why was that?

In the 1980s, a man named Lawrence King launched a credit union in Omaha. He became one of the most prominent black Republicans in America. He sang the national anthem at two Republican National Conventions. He was a friend of powerful state and national figures, including billionaire Warren Buffett and then-Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush.

King was also an abusive pedophile, who ran an adolescent sex ring out of his office that enjoyed the protection of US security and intelligence apparatus, which exploited the children to ensnare certain figures for blackmail, and reward others.

King is serving time, and recently lost a million dollar lawsuit by one of his former child hookers who took the midnight tour of the White House, organized through the VP's office.

Did it happen? Goddamn right it did. But Poppy mixed up in a child sex ring? It's too outrageous to process. So the screen slides across the mind, and it's as though it never happened.

Nebraska State legislature retained investigator Gary Caradori to delve into allegations of a paedophile ring run out of the Franklin Credit Union, which implicated not only some of the most powerful figures in the state, but high officials in Washington as well.

Caradori and his 12-year old son were flying home in Caradori's private plane, after a trip to Chicago for his boy to see the 1990 allstar game, and for Gary to do a little investigating.

He'd been gathering testimony and evidence of a child prostitution ring which implicated senior Republicans in the state and in DC, and operated with the knowledge of VP Bush (a number of the teens placed Bush at sex parties) and the protection of intelligence agencies (call boys being used to ensnare VIPS for the purposes of blackmail), all tied to a credit union which was laundering money for Iran/Contra, and had been founded by an abusive paedophile who'd sang the national anthem at the GOP national conventions in 1984 and 1988.

Caradori called the committee chief, Senator Loran Schmit, from Chicago to say he had the smoking gun. "We've got them! There's no way they can get out of it now!" Returning with evidence, his small plane broke up midair. A farmer witnessed a flash of light and heard an explosion. That made the early news, but subsequent reports said the plane exploded on impact. The wreckage was examined at a military base and ruled an accident. His briefcase was never recovered.

Senator Schmit told reporters later that day in the Nebaska statehouse, "There were a lot of people in this state who wanted to see Gary dead. They got their wish."

Former CIA Director William Colby was secretly hired by the Nebraska legislature's committee to look into the investigator's death. Colby warned his friend, author, lawyer and former State Senator John DeCamp to stay away, or he could end up dead as well, because "sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful."

Here's a transcription from DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up, page 176:

"Nelly first brought up (GHW) Bush in 1986, when she told Julie Walters about the sex parties she was flown to in Washington and Chicago. She saw Bush at two of these parties, she said, one in each city.

"Nelly also told Walters that one frequent party-goer with King was a boy named 'Brent,' the one who was 'flown to another city somewhere' after a falling out with King. Walters did not have the time to cross-check this information with the life of Brandt Thomas, the Boys Town resident who had moved in with Larry King. Franklin credit union files contained a letter signed by King, in his capacity as Youth Affairs Committee advisor for the National Black Republican Council, listing Thomas as one of two national contact people for NBRC campus chapters.

"Three years later, with an investigation of abuse by King and the Webbs finally underway, Nelly was interviewed again. Speaking to Franklin committee detective Jerry Lowe, she repeated her account of the Chicago party, and said that Bush and the two men he arrived with appeared to have left the affair with a young black man she called 'Bandit.'...

"Bush's name surfaced again in Lowe's May 1989 review of reports by Thomas Vlahoulis from the state attorney general's office: "both Kimberly and Nelly brought up the name of George Bush and indicated that they had both met him." There is a psychologist in Omaha who used to work for the CIA. In response to a direct question by an Omaha psychiatrist regarding George Bush's private life, this psychologist reported hearing rumors when Bush was head of the CIA, that correspond directly with the inferences made by Nelly Webb, and commented to the psychiatrist, 'But how do you investigate your boss?'"

From the "Omaha" chapter of Webster Tarpley's unauthorized (no kidding) autobiography of Poppy:

"Sound crazy? Not to Steve Bowman, an Omaha businessman who is compiling a book about the Franklin money and sex scandal. 'We do have some credible witnesses who say that "Yes, George Bush does have a problem."... Child abuse has become one of the epidemics of the 1990s,' Bowman told GQ....

"Mrs. Julie Walters, now a housewife in the Midwest, confirmed that in 1986 she had interviewed the alleged child prostitute, Lisa, who told her about Mr. Bush. Lisa and her sister Tracey were temporarily living at the time in the home of Kathleen Sorenson, another foster parent. Mrs. Walters explained that at first she was very surprised. But Lisa, who came from a very underprivileged background with no knowledge of political affairs, gave minute details of her attendance at political meetings around the country."

From Julie Walters' 50-page handwritten report:

"3/25/86. Met with Kathleen and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked 'looking pretty and innocent' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women ('make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman')."

Some links:

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/boystown/

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

http://www.geminiwalker-ink.net/HellFranklin.html

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm

http://www.namebase.org/sources/XX.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1839142



The Caradori plane crash:


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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:33 AM
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1. some people like telling the truth.....
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:40 AM
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2. This information has been around for years.
I never thought it would see the light of day and I can't imagine the smear that will Kitty Kelly will get over this, but there it is. These sociopaths are some sick mo fo's, but the fundigelical sheeple still buy their manipulative mind fucks.

How much needs to come out on busholini inc before it starts sticking?

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:54 AM
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3. Michael Aquino has been cited as part of the Franklin Credit callboy
scandal too. This is former US Army PsyOps and Defense Intelligence Agency Col. Michael Aquino who ministered to all as a Church of Satan Priest when off-duty from US Army military intelligence "service".

Michael Aquino replaced the Church of Satan with his own cult/religion, The Temple of Set.

Michael Aquino and his wife, Lillith, were investigated but not arrested in The Presidio molestation case.

Michael Aquino goes way back to 1969 (He was involved in the Charles Manson modeled "families" that were replicated simultaneously in 1969 as part of the illegal MH CHAOS).

The Aquinos LOVE KIDS too. It's part of their religion, ritualized rape. Slavery. Bondage.

Don't forget folks like the Satanists/Setians either. They are recognized by ethical law-enforcement, so is ritual abuse.

Who does want to hear about hyper-sexualized 11 year olds, let alone the specifics of how they became hyper-sexualized? Who can work with them? How?
:cry:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:02 PM
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9. It's a shame many people filter this stuff out
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 01:05 PM by Minstrel Boy
of what they can permit to be true, despite the evidence.

When they hear the word "Satanist" they :eyes: and think it's all :tinfoilhat: . They don't think of protected elites who believe themselves to be beyond good and evil; nor of the military-intelligence-occult complex demonstrated by, for instance, some of what we know of the CIA's mind control research; nor of the Bush family, which represents both.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:32 PM
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12. Yep.
I've posted many links to a lot of that. Here are some of them again.

Cheryl Hersha, her sister, and a lot of kids childhood CIA "training" included killing ("Secret Weapons")
http://www.raven1.net/kilchild.htm

The intelligence community not only had the darkside, like Col. Aquino within it but also the systematic search and "recruitment" of spiritually gifted, ESP talented, telepaths and remote viewers, etc.
This was known as OFTEN, GRILLFLAME and the STARGATE programs-all privatized now.
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

Remember this DU MK ULTRA thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=636309

Btw, I agree that it's too bad about the secret and occult group involvement of political leadership ignorance by the masses of regular people everywhere.

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:27 PM
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15. People roll their eyes because SRA hoaxes have ruined hundreds of lives
The Satanic ritual abuse "epidemic" was nothing more than media-driven mass hysteria combined with piss-poor psychiatry.

Of all the reasons to vote Bush out of office, this is probably the dumbest.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:00 PM
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17. Oh what a wonderful world it would be
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 08:02 PM by Minstrel Boy
if it were only a hoax.

Perhaps that's all there would be, if the CIA's Nazi-inspired research had not led to experiments trauma-induced mind control. Or are such things as Project Bluebird, Artichoke, MK-ULTRA and MK-OFTEN hoaxes as well?

http://www.survivorship.org/faq.html

From a poem by Diane Hirt, MS, NCC, LPC, who councils clients of ritual abuse suffering Dissociative Identity Disorder:

I said: Brain, where will you put this?
Dialing up for a connection-access denied-re-dial-connected-transferred.
Just like her, I don't want to know or remember but I must know and remember.
I get to choose the answer to this while she does not, or so I naively
thought just a while ago.
If I refused to know, would her story of
survival be lost forever?
If the riddle still goes on unanswered about the tree that falls
in the forest with no one present,
the does-it-make-a-sound question,
what about this life of hers? Will the world care if I don't remember?
I said: Move over. Make room for this.


http://www.survivorship.org/witness.html


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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:37 PM
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21. More victims of bad therapeutic practices.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm has a great amount of information about SRA, including citations to peer-reviewed research regarding "recovered memory therapy" and other such bullshit.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:35 PM
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22. From your own link:
is important to realize that the above definition (of SRA) is relatively restrictive. It excludes a number of behaviors which are known to exist:

Abuse by non-Satanic, abusive pedophiles who pretend to be Satanists in order to gain better control of their victims through fear.

...

Abuse by non-Satanists who engage in behaviors like SRA but are motivated by Christian or other beliefs.


Do you accept this, or is this more bullshit?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 09:43 PM
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23. Right, but I thought we were talking about a MVMO-SRA situation?
Last time I read into this business, the author seemed to depend on some of the same MVMO bullshit that is discussed here: http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_case.htm
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:33 AM
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30. Ground Lost: The False Memory/Recovered Memory Therapy Debate
by Alan W. Scheflin
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p991137.html

Brain-Updating Machinery May Explain False Memory
http://www.raven1.net/changmem.htm

You have called a lot of theoretical orientations "bullshit" yet SRA is taken seriously by ethical professions, not fundamentalist Christians-I'm talking about law enforcement, social work, psychology, human services, etc.

You aren't the only expert here.

SRA is real, there is evidence of SRA on the cd's being held by the Pentagon and many social networks have been aware of that for almost 2 years.

Why should anyone pick up your "bullshit" refrain???
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:48 PM
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16. I have to confess
and plead guilty on that myself, to a certain degree. I've known about this stuff for quite some time, but I haven't been able to bring myself to actually internalize it and fully "believe" it. It's not that I DISbelieve it. Not at all. It just doesn't click at some emotionaly level. "-(

Same thing with MIHOP, actually, only for MIHOP I'm "there" intellectually (more so than with the pedophilia ring), just can't quite reconcile it at an emotional level.

That OUGHT to help me understand why people can't digest some of the things I clearly and easily believe (all the Nazi connections through the years and the clear implications of all that on the current Bush Family members, for example). But it doesn't, perhaps because even I can't fully understand my own inability to cross that bridge. :shrug:

Maddening.

Minstrel Boy -- you just keep doing an absolutely superb job. Shock and awe, baby. Go get 'em. :evilgrin:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:12 PM
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19. Eloriel, I hear you.
Me too.

We need to read this stuff critically, and always be ready to challenge our assumptions when dealing with such enormous charges. None of it should be taken on faith. I'd rather not believe this, not even about the Bushes. I don't want anyone to be this wicked. But it's not about belief. There is evidence, quite a lot of it, and it's very persuasive. But even though the evidence is great, the mind still balks.


BTW, I posted a version of this to my blog today, and added this thought:

The great privilege of respectable men is the license to commit outrageous crimes, because to allege them capable of such acts is, to many, simply inconceivable.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:09 AM
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26. Well said.
The great privilege of respectable men is the license to commit outrageous crimes, because to allege them capable of such acts is, to many, simply inconceivable.


And THAT, my friend, is the whole essence of "The Big Lie."

And yes, I realize about all the evidence. As I said, it's intellectually not that difficult to buy, there's just this cognitive dissonance that still occurs. But you understand.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:43 AM
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28. makes me wonder what it must be like to be able to have
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 01:49 AM by jdjkkse
anything money can buy yet be alienated from the free things necessary to happiness. So fixes are all that exist. Pedophilia addicts, so I can see these thugs looking for another rush when blowing away 500 pheasants or a caged lion isn't entertaining enough.

edit: nice blog and links. I'm such an idiot. I went to the links immediately, thought the guy was named Franklin, and all this time I'm reading "Larry King" and I'm thinking 'pink shirt boring interview Larry King is a pedophile!?!?!?...

my reading comprehension suffers this time of night.

At the end of the link there is an advocate site for ritually abused children, it's so hard to read and wrap one's head around, it floats between the extremes of people who think it's science fiction and people who are fundies and think that EVERYONE is the devil, and that ritual abuse of children lends credence to their belief in the existence of Satan (which to me is exploitation), but I have know two ritually abused adult survivors, one of whom was abused in a church pedophilia ring (her father was a minister) and another who was abused in 'satanic' cult rituals and was MPD (BOTH were extremely disturbed). It happens, and mo money, mo power, the mo you get away with.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:58 AM
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4. You Don't Do Things By Halves
Do You? This is incredible. Keep going and continue to make the case.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:10 PM
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5. Keep hope alive MB
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:24 PM
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6. "Hope is on the way."
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 12:26 PM by bobthedrummer
Senator Edwards said that in Green Bay yesterday as I was leaving.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 07:22 PM
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14. Hopeful
:kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 12:27 PM
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7. Thanks to Eloriel for the reminder of all these reasons
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 12:40 PM by seemslikeadream
Eloriel (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-03-04 09:21 PM
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34. Some links for those of you who are interested in pursuing this


line of thinking:

Fascism Anyone? by Laurence W. Britt
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

March 16, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History by Thom Hartmann
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm

The NASCAR Nazi
Bush is creating an un-American America
http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/38/lost-washburn.php

It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread (Aug. 03)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#199877

Nazification of America Phase 3
http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm

The Reichstag Fire and 9/11; Pretexts for Dictatorship and the Fourth Reich
Includes: Parallels between the Third Reich and the Bush Regime; 9/11 and the Reichstag Fire; What was the Reichstag Fire; Nazis in America; Poland 1939, Iraq 2003 http://www.oilempire.us/reichstag-fire.html


Bush's 9/11 Reichstag Fire by Harvey Wasserman
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0913-03.htm


20 Comparisons by Barrie Zwicker
http://www.deceptiondollar.com/news/BloorRemarks911-03.htm

The Bush Plan for America: The Rise of an American National Security State
By Jennifer Van Bergen, 14 December 2003 http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/2003/12/3232.shtml

Bush is *not* Hitler!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1868574

What Is Fascism
(This one is quite good and incl. two-tiered legal system as well as many other hallmarks, and Dr. Lawrence Britt's list, and additional links)
http://www.couplescompany.com/FEATURES/Politics/Structure3.htm

Superpower Democracy (another must read)
http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/2003_07_01_gd.html#1058...

America, We Have a Problem
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i4dodd.htm

They Thought They Were Free
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free_nn4.html

Fascism and America Today
by Aldo Vidali
http://www.apj.us/20010312fascism.html

===================================================
SYMBOLISM:
You know why Operation "Iron Hammer" sounds Nazi like?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=709776#710186

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FASCISM:
"fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm

The F Scale
(Measures one's authoritarian personality profile, which makes one receptive to fascism, based on research done after WW2)
http://www.anesi.com/fscale.htm
link posted here: He's Acting Like Nixon in the Final DaysHas Bush Gone Over the Edge? (has some good links re fascist personality, etc.)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1725171

Fascism Anyone? by Laurence W. Britt
http://secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm


Bethune Institute Anti-Fascist Studies
http://bethuneinstitute.org/index2.html

Umberto Eco on Fascism
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html


What Is Fascism
(This one is quite good and incl. two-tiered legal system as well as many other hallmarks, and Dr. Lawrence Britt's list, and additional links)
http://www.couplescompany.com/FEATURES/Politics/Structure3.htm

Superpower Democracy (another must read)
http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/2003_07_01_gd.html#1058...


IS AMERICA BECOMING FASCIST?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2159330

This article: IS AMERICA BECOMING FASCIST? http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/fascism.htm

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MORE:
TARPLEY - Unauthorized Biography
http://www.tarpley.net
http://www.the7thfire.com/bush1.htm

Nazi Hydra in America
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html


Nazi, GOP, big business, Bush Knots
http://www.sunmt.org/bushnazi.html


The Nests of Osama bin Laden
http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BinLaden.htm

Bruce Campbell Adamson Website
(has a book available: JFK Assassination Timeline)
http://www.ciajfk.com /


Nazi Echo - Consortium News (archived articles)
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/nazi.html


Democracy Unbound
(several articles, see also Encyclopedia)
http://democracyunbound.com/bfeebook.html

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DU Threads (by no means ALL the DU threads that have been on this topic):

Wanna know where today's Fascism came from? Look here 8/29/04
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2282969#2283235

Bush,Machiavelli,StraussIF NO EXTERNAL THREAT EXISTS ONE MUST BE INVENTED
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2255230
Fascism, Nazism, & Eugenics supported by Oil Barons of America &
esp. the Rockefeller Foundation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2248507

It's Time for Another Bush/Nazi Thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=199853#199887
(most links already harvested)

1944: American fascism (re 1944 article)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=212387

Enough with the "_______ is worse than/ as bad as Hitler"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1730317

How Reagan Got Elected in the first place -- My little tribute
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1773894#1776990
(See Octafish post #33 for links to some books on Amazon)


Is U.S. REALLY like Germany in the 30's? (elementaryPenguin)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1772363#1772645

See also: Is US like Germany of the '30s? (Kayell)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1777406#1780958

Are we on the road to becoming Nazi's?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1784358#

Second Circuit Judge Tells It Like It Is: Bush Is Illegitimate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1833026

re this news story: http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Styl...

Comparing Bush to Hitler hurts our credibility
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1873137#1873330

The Fascism is getting harder to hide. And harder to fight.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=750446

"American fascists" among us
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2026031

Joe Stanton: "Bush's Operation Clean Sweep: World War IV in 2004?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=808293

Fascism?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1948137

Way, Way Past Time To Label BushCo As Nazis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1966911#1967150

I'm crying (Elf sees the warning signs)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1791526#1791609

Is America Becoming Fascist?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2159330

What Would Machiavelli Do? The Big Lie Lives On ...Thom Hartmann
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2276024
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And for the naysayers, or those who trot out that tired, inept to start with old canard about "the first one who mentions Hitler in a discussion has lost the argument," I say this: when you're finished reading up, get back to us.

Welcome to the new DUers and congratulations to those who've noticed the frightening similarities on their own.

any broken links check here original thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2305540#2307590
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:02 PM
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8. Empathy Kick.
:dem::kick:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 02:08 PM
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13. Einfuhlung
Empathetic solidarity


Edith Stein
Stein's last recorded words were when she was captured by the Nazis. Calling to her sister, she said: "Come, Rosa, we are going for our people!"
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:13 PM
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10. It's not called the Bush Family Evil Empire for nothing.
Poppy must be the right hand of Satan. From Minstrel Boy's links:

George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse

May 5, 2003
From the Streets of Little Beirut
Glen Yeadon

On January 28, 2003, amid the furor of the impending war with Iraq the British press briefly reported on Operation Ore, the most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children before being squashed by the Blair government. Besides implicating Rock guitarist Peter Townsend of the Who, the report claimed that senior members of Tony Blair's government were being investigated for pedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography. With the investigation reaching to senior members of his Government, Blair declared a news blackout on the story.

Moreover, the British report was not the first such case reported. In fact, it followed on the heels of a report from Portugal. On November 27, 2002, the press reported a scandal of pedophile ring run from a state orphanage. The Guardian reported that the scandal threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians. Photographs of senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence. More shocking however, were the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.

On January 14, 2002, Insight Magazine reported the charges leveled by Ben Johnson against his employer Dyncorp, a major defense contractor. Johnson charged that officials and employees of Dyncorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts. Johnson had witnessed his supervisors and fellow employees buying 12- to 15-year-olds as sex slaves.

SNIP...

More disgusting is the role the United States government plays in facilitating this global sex trade. Instead of banning the previously mentioned Dyncorp from further defense contracts, the regime of George W Bush rewards it in granting major contracts for the Iraqi war. Even more shameful is the wink and nod the state department grants the Saudis. The Arabian Peninsula has long been known to be purchasers of slaves. Mostly the slaves came from India or Africa however, with the advent of the oil wealth the Saudis have became more selective and are known as high-end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nation’s treaty on slavery and extradition treaties. There have been several incidents in the past where the media has reported a slave of a Saudi prince brought into the United States escaped. The State Department then intervenes and returns the escaped slave to the Saudi prince and the incident forgotten. The State Department exempts the Saudi princes from normal custom procedures. A child slave bought by a Saudi prince can be delivered to his plane and allowed to depart without the required passport for the child. One fortunate victim that became entangled in the Saudi sex ring was the former Miss USA Shannon Marketic. She had been lured to Saudi Arabia by what she believed was legitimate modeling work. Being a high profile case she was returned to the United States and filed suit. The former Miss USA lost her lawsuit as the State department granted immunity to her abductors.

CONTINUED...

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

No wonder Dim Son can't think of anything else to talk about at the United Nations.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 01:23 PM
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11. why not?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:00 PM
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18. The Scuttlebutt from Another Pro Gossipteer
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302004/gossip/cindy.htm



August 30, 2004 -- ....

THE gossip around: Kitty Kelley's Bush family vivisection gets published right after the convention, when residents return to civilization. It allegedly "has five major revelations." Supposedly, familial indiscretions naming names, places, times, etceteras. Plus W's documented missing year and service record.

********UNQUOTE*******
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jackieforthedems Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 08:13 PM
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20. They Say The Truth
Edited on Sat Sep-04-04 08:13 PM by jackieforthedems
We're trying to wake people up before it's too late.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 11:47 PM
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24. and my wife wonders why I spend so much time on DU ....
This kind of stuff is so fascinating ......
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 12:52 AM
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25. kick
:kick:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:39 AM
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27. Forgot to mention Craig Spence
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 01:41 AM by Minstrel Boy
Spence was a Republican Washington-based lobbyist and business associate of Lawrence King who ran his own call-boy operation, and helped organize the infamous after-hours White House tour. In The Washington Times of August 9, 1989, Spence "hinted the tours were arranged by top level" persons, including Vice President Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg, whose name also figures prominently in the October Surprise story. The Times adds that "Spence, according to friends, was also carrying out homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA."

What became of Spence? He was found dead in a hotel in Boston four months after the call-boy story broke, his death ruled a suicide.

The GOPs Pink Triangle & the CIA

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:18 AM
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29. Kick.
:dem::kick:
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:56 AM
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31. MB, you've done it again...thanks for the reminders.
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