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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:10 PM
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Murder at Ft. Bragg..Abuse...Connection..I think so !
Remember these stories. My husband thought something back then. Now everyone is shocked. Why were people not shocked back then? Was there some sort of de humanizing going on from the Top Brass down?
Coincidence? Don't think so. Few bad apples? Don't think so. A good investigative reporter to unclothe this mystery.

From two newspapers...Washington Post and Fox





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Rash of slayings shocks Army post
4 spouses, 2 soldiers killed in 6 weeks

Thomas E. Ricks, Washington Post
Saturday, July 27, 2002



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The wives of four Army soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C., have been murdered in the past six weeks, allegedly by their spouses, in a rash of violence that has shocked the Special Operations Command and left Army commanders deeply concerned, officers at the base said Friday.

Three of the servicemen involved were members of Special Operations units and had recently returned from Afghanistan. Two of the soldiers died in what authorities thought were murder-suicides, while the other two are being held in the Cumberland County Jail in Fayetteville, N.C.

"We're going to evaluate everything we do," Col. Jerome Haberek, a Special Operations chaplain said Friday during a news conference at the base.

Two of the soldiers were members of the Army's Special Forces, or Green Berets, and one was a member of the super-secret Delta Force, according to published reports. The fourth was assigned to an engineer battalion at Fort Bragg and was not part of the Special Operations Command.

In addition to the deaths of four wives and two servicemen, an officer assigned to the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg was shot and killed earlier this week as he slept in his home in nearby Fayetteville. No arrests have been made in that case, a spokesman for the Fayetteville Police Department said.


'MIND-BOGGLING'
"It's mind-boggling," Henry Berry, manager of an Army family support program, said. "To be absolutely honest, I was completely caught off guard."



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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:21 PM
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1. thats odd..
n addition to the deaths of four wives and two servicemen, an officer assigned to the Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg was shot and killed earlier this week as he slept in his home in nearby Fayetteville. No arrests have been made in that case, a spokesman for the Fayetteville Police Department said.

This is odd, huh?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:22 PM
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2. Well, that was before Iraq, so maybe...
... maybe the stress in those cases was related to either Guantanamo or the "Massacre at Mazar" (a.k.a. "Convoy of Death").
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:23 PM
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3. Historians are going to dig up the heart of all the scandals in Bush Co
And everyone but us will be amazed.

LIHOP maybe or maybe not ever proven.

Haliburton and war profiteering by Cheney and the administration cronies? Of course.

Outing of a CIA agent? Future generations will be amazed no one seemed to care. This is a treason offense in my eyes. Bob Novak should be in jail right now.

Abuse scandal. How deep? Who knew and when?

Oh yes, and how are the deaths of soldiers at FT. Bragg connected?






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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:33 PM
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5. As CT as it sounds possibly a MK ultra project of sorts.
No one in their right minds would kill their families and especially that many in one week. Something definately going on? And the Penatagon had their bloody hands all in it. I would be willing to bet on it. CIA and Pentagon. How about theose scroll lines under the news after 9-11.
Wanted unsavory characters ..Apply Cia/Dept of Defense..
I remember...
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:33 PM
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4. Ft Bragg???
Edited on Wed May-05-04 08:34 PM by Must_B_Free
This Ft. Bragg?

"The British newspaper The Guardian recently reported Israeli advisers are training U.S. soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3702655


I bet the Military was trying out drugs to make soldiers aggressive.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:41 PM
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6. Many of the Fort Bragg soldiers were special forces at Tora Bora, who
Edited on Wed May-05-04 08:42 PM by Minstrel Boy
were effectively stood down from capturing bin Laden and forced to watch him airlifted to the safety of Pakistan.

So, I wonder, did they all go on a murder/suicide spree so soon after returning, or had they seen too much, were talking about it, and needed silencing?

From The Fayetteville Observer, August 2, 2002:

A Special Forces soldier says that troops had Osama bin Laden pinpointed in Afghanistan in November, but leaders took too long to decide to go after him and he slipped away.

...

The soldier, who said he was on the ground at Tora Bora when bin Laden was located, agreed to talk about the incident on condition that his name not be used.

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...a Special Forces team captain on the ground would not give approval to go after bin Laden because there was no specific mission order to do so, the soldier said.

While the Army was deciding what to do, Special Forces soldiers saw two Russian-made helicopters fly into the area where bin Laden was believed to be, load up passengers and fly toward Pakistan.

"I said, 'There he goes,'" the soldier said.
http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Templat...
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 09:08 PM
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7. We knew this after Nam
MK-ULTRA was developed in the 1950s by the CIA as a program to study the possibilities of mind control in human subjects. After World War II ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began hunting down the engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi war machine. The US Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. The War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control whatever technology had been developed. Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize Operation Paperclip.

The Vatican provided support to the Nazis as an alliance against Communism, a genuine threat to the Church's survival. The Italian Communists would have taxed the Church's vast holdings and the Church has had a dismal experience with Communist governments throughout the world.

In 1947 the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) (that was formed after the war to locate these doctors and scientists) became the CIA.

In 1953 the CIA commandeered the entire supply of LSD from the Swiss manufacturer Sandoz. It was with LSD, developed by the Swiss chemist Albert Hoffman, that the mind control experimentation was seeded.

Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the US and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. It was been estimated that at least one-third to one-half of the best known men and women in American medicine (1870-1914) received some or part of their training in Germany, including virtually the entire faculties of the medical schools at Harvard, Johns Hopkins, Yale and Michigan. The effect of this massive movement is still felt in the outlook and hierarchical structure of American medical schools

Kerry said enough about the war in 71 to get put on Nixon's enemies list when he said the troops were doing war crimes and things they shouldn't by instructions from that administration. Those people are not in the dark. We know Agent orane affected almost all soldiers over there in Nam, we know reactions to malaria pills from Gulf War and now this? They know why these killing machines are going awry but not saying......The truth is we were never supposed to see those pictures..Not those pics. We were never supposed to find out what was going on. The suicides? What about those over there? Were they suicides?
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