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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:57 PM
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Iraq Arrest Warrants (issued for Chalabi!!!)
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:59 PM
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1. So much for WHAT he knows about the US... they will have his head
on a platter!!! If there were ever any doubt that the US is pulling the strings, here's the proof!
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:59 PM
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2. also for Salem Chalabi, Saddam's judge!!!
apparently the judge is wanted for murder...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:56 PM
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73. HE'S SADDAM'S PROSECUTOR A PUPPET OF RUMDUMB AND THE NEOCONS
Unfortunately they have decided to FIRE HIM


These guys will BOTH BE KILLED LIKE SADDAM'S SONS
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:59 PM
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3. Even more shocking is that an arrest warrant was also issued for
Salem Chalabi, the head of Iraq's special tribunal, on murder charges.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:00 PM
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4. Excellent
It's about time they put the bastard behind bars. I hope they plan to ship him off to Jordan so he can serve his jail time for bank fraud first, then bring him back to Iraq for a new prison term.

What a smarmy POS.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:03 PM
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6. I don't mind him doing his time and stuff, BUT I would certainly like
to hear ALL he knows before he's put out to pasture or killed! BOTH of them!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:57 PM
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83. I don't think Ahmed actually knows Jack-Shit.
He flim-flammed Rumsferatu and Wolfenstein and the rest of those oh-so-smart neo-con morons and made a buttload of money off them. He doesn't have any REAL intel.
I hope he gets Kenny-Boy for a cellie...
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 12:21 AM
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89. He has intel all right...and he gave it to the Iranians.
Typical Republican. It's all about selling to the highest bidder.
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Peachhead22 Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:01 PM
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5. Salem Chalabi too!
I think he was a bigshot with the de-Baathification stuff.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:04 PM
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7. ap news breaking this also
Iraq Seeks Arrest of Ahmad Chalabi




Aug 8, 2:47 PM (ET)


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq has issued an arrest warrant for Ahmad Chalabi, a former governing council member, on money laundering charges and another for Salem Chalabi, the head of Iraq's special tribunal, on murder charges, Iraq's chief investigating judge said
Sunday.


http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20040808/D84B7AO00.html
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:12 PM
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8. Hey Richard Perle, GO FUCK YOURSELF
Cry me a river you fat neocon. Your buddies are all criminals. You are a wannabe warmonger war profiteer. I hope you end up in jail to, or at least are forced to enlist in the army for the war you were enthusiastically promoting.

Down with Chalabi!
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:18 PM
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14. Perley, Wolfie, Feithy -- they're all Cheney'd...
... just like "popular wartime preznit" Shemp!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:48 PM
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48. The revenge of the State department? n/t
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 09:01 AM
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96. State and the CIA...
... my guess is that both Colin and Tenet were in the kitchen making sure it was served up on ice...
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:12 PM
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9. I saw on CNN that the murder charges may be related to
The church bombing in Mosul.
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sjgman9 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:14 PM
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11. Which Chalabi bombed a church?
Is it Salem or Ahmed? I already had a low opinion over Chalabi, but if any of them are involved in the universally (every sunni and shia cleric) condemned bombing of Iraq's Chaldean Catholic and Assyrian churches, all the more reason for them to rot in jail.

Lets send Ahmad to Jordan where he can face time for bank fraud.

Isnt democracy and the rule of law great? Three Cheers to the new Iraqi government cleaning up a mess!
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:18 PM
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13. The charge of murder was for Salem
I don't know all the information, but on CNN they had information on the screen that it was related to the Mosul church bombing. They never talked about that specifically so I don't know how it all is tied in to these charges.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:45 PM
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61. wasn't there some story about salem and a business partner
I can't recall which story - but it was the first I had heard of Salem.
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AdrianInOcala Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:14 PM
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10. I guess Iraq truly qualifies for
Bannana Republic status
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:39 PM
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47. Yes, they don't have no bananas...close the cover before striking
and fathers got the ship builder blues...

There is a part of me that is so so sad that good people are dying because people who never should have gone to grad school have gained the reins... and then there is the part of me that is just angry about where these naive patriots have been led.

I am hoping justice will come in the International Court. I know it isn't liberal to say but my hard side is hoping the top of the Bush team gets 7 feet of rope and a 16 foot drop.



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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:06 PM
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54. Fashioned after the perfect image of its creator, the great US of A
:cry:
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:29 PM
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88. And it was YOUR money... given to this person....
by people who rigged an election... in the greatest nation on earth. These truly are the best of times.


http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/david_sarasohn/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1086350358285980.xml
>>In a few weeks, Cheney went directly from endorsement of Ken Lay to alliance with Ahmad Chalabi.<<



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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:15 PM
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12. Gee, what a coincidence
He was convicted (in absentia) of precisely these same charges in Jordan years ago. :eyes:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:21 PM
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15. This smells funny
I wonder if word is that Salem left the door open to freeing Saddam. Big incentive to put him away forever.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:23 PM
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16. I wanna know what's really going on.
Ambassador John Negroponte is running the show over there. I guess the two Chalabli's were stealing Haliburton's money or something so they are no longer of any value. I know some of you DU'ers will dig into this and find out the "real" story. Thanks.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:26 PM
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17. My guess is that Ahmed Chalabi
had better watch his back real good..he knows too much.
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:30 PM
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19. and now the death sentence
is back in place. Just in time.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:29 PM
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18. Chalabi has a bad habit on turning on people (so does the bush*
administration). If we're lucky the guy will break loose and start spilling the beans. You know damn good and well that he's got enough on this administration that he could blow it wide open.

By the way, could someone please tell me if Salem is related to Achmed? Or is it just a coincidence that they are both named Chalabi. And why would he be involved in the bombing of the church in Mosul? Maybe know one here knows the answer to that question, but I figured I may as well take a shot.


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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:49 PM
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26. Removed due to mistake .. see post below for the info
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 02:50 PM by tlcandie
you seek acmavm!
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clydefrand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:23 PM
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38. I believe that I heard correctly about an hour ago when this was
being reported on CNN that Salem is the nephew of Ahmad---Cheney's big buddy and who gave Cheney so much "reliable" intelligence about Iraq when they were both in England. I hope he tells all on these evil twins in concert.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:32 PM
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20. OMG Breaking...Wolfowitz is named too!
j/k... that would be the day! :crazy:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:38 PM
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21. Tell us you're not just teasing us!
How often do we really get a chance to see justice happen in our lifetimes?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:39 PM
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22. full story here
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_ARREST_WARRANTS?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT






BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Iraq has issued an arrest warrant for Ahmad Chalabi, a former governing council member, on counterfeiting charges and another for Salem Chalabi, the head of Iraq's special tribunal, on murder charges, Iraq's chief investigating judge said Sunday.

snip......... had been a favorite of many in the Pentagon but fell out with the Americans in the weeks before the U.S. occupation ended in June.

His nephew, Salem Chalabi, heads the tribunal that is due to try Saddam on war crimes charges.

snip........and then if there is enough evidence, they will be sent to trial," said Judge Zuhair al-Maliky.



The warrants, issued Saturday, accused Ahmad Chalabi of counterfeiting old Iraqi dinars - which had been removed from circulation following the fall of Saddam's regime last year, he said.

Ahmad Chalabi appeared to have been hiding the counterfeit money amid other old money and changing it into new dinars in the street, he said.

Police found the counterfeit money along with old dinars in Ahmad Chalabi's house during a May raid, he said.

Salem Chalabi was named as a suspect in the June killing of the Haithem Fadhil, director general of the finance ministry.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:27 PM
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39. And wasn't the "raid" in May done by the Americans??
:shrug:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:40 PM
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23. I bet Judith Miller
is ripping up Chalabi's card from her rollerdex and deleting his emails as fast as she can.


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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:30 PM
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44. I Bet She Sucked Up To Him
so much - she looks like a complete fool now.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:43 PM
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24. Here's the catch folks
both of these suckers happen to be out of the country at the moment. Gee, isn't that convenient. And I was hoping that they were getting sent to Abu Ghraib.


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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:48 PM
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25. Notice how none of these articles show how COMPLICIT
Rummy, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, etc. were in using Chalabi's "intelligence" information to go to war. Just a short mention of his favored status w/ the pentegon.

Gawd I miss REAL investigative journalism, and a free press!!!

:kick::kick:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:27 PM
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40. Story will NEVER see the front page..
If it's in any mass distributor's thing, it'll be so far back, down and in teensy tiny print that no one will ever know.

ALSO, coming soon to a TV screen near you, - SOME DUMB INCONSEQUENTIAL THING THAT NO ONE CARES ABOUT -
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:10 PM
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55. Unfortunately, so very true.
I like your handle. My sister calls me "Anna Banana." LOL!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:58 PM
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51. Exactly! I checked AP,Reuters, USA Today all for this story. None of
them mentioned that Chalabi was THE SOURCE for PNAC's lies to get us into Iraq. I hope that there will be follow up on this, but agree it won't hit the front pages that he was the one who was feeding false info about Iraq's WMD's from way back to Clinton's admin. Where fortunately Clinton's admin didn't listen to him enough to take us into war.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:04 PM
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53. Whoop's. AP just updated their site with more background, this is what
they say:

"The warrant was a new sign of the fall of Ahmad Chalabi from the centers of power. Chalabi, a longtime exile opposition leader, had been a favorite of many in the Pentagon (news - web sites) but fell out with the Americans in the weeks before the U.S. occgupation ended in June."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=6&u=/ap/20040808/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_arrest_warrants
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 02:57 PM
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27. The Iraqis probably believe Israel was behind the church bombings
I sure hope that's not the case -- but Israel does seem to be the only party with anything to gain by setting Iraqi Christians against Iraqi Moslems. And the suggestion has come up repeatedly that many or most of the mysterious bombings in Iraq over the past year are due to some combination of the US, the Chalabis, and Israel, with the primary intent being to provoke an Iraqi civil war. (Plus an element of payback in the bombing of the Jordanian Embassy if it really was Chalabi.)


"The Mujahideen Information Centre (you have to laugh that mujahideen need PR), representing three Islamic 'terrorist' groups, has denied ... that their militants were behind the church bombings in Iraq. Their statement blamed Iraq's national security advisor Mowaffaq al-Rubaie of involvement in the blasts 'with the help of the Zionists and Americans'."

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/08/more-on-church-bombings.html


And Salem Chalabi's connections with extremist Israeli settler Marc Zell are well known:

"The controversy surrounding Salem Chalabi's involvement in the tribunal system and administration is not only comprised of his lack of qualifications and foresight in his directorial role but is additionally complicated by his business and personal relationships, particularly his connections to Marc Zell and Douglas Feith. Similar to other involved parties in the Iraqi administration, Chalabi has joined the ranks in setting himself up to profit from the networks of connections that are increasingly evident in the reconstruction of the war-torn nation.

"Seeking to profit from the situation in Iraq, Chalabi established the Iraqi International Law Group (IILG), which advertises itself as providing access to private investors to the new Iraq. Originally, the group's website was registered by partner Marc Zell and the address given was that of Zell's Washington office, Zell, Goldberg & Co. The firm claims to be "one of Israel's fastest-growing business-oriented law firms". Since then the website has been removed and the registration list has been modified to include Salem Chalabi.

"Zell, originally from Washington DC, acquired Israeli nationality when he moved to the Jewish settlement of Alon Shevut in the West Bank. He has a distinct interest in Zionism and has been involved with the Gush Emunim -- Bloc of the Faithful -- movement. The Gush Emunim movement claims that the occupied territories of 1967 were given in accords to Israel by God. He has become a spokesperson for Israeli settlers and holds connections with Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud Party in Israel.

"The connection between the three individuals becomes clear when taking Zell as the missing link. For many years up until 2001 Zell had been a partner of Douglas Feith, the current US undersecretary of defence -- the third highest civilian position in the Pentagon. Their firm, FANDZ -- a play on the names, Feith and Zell -- had bases in both Tel Aviv and Washington. It was set up when Feith initially left government service, and its goal was to represent Turkish and Israeli business interests. When Feith received his appointment to the Pentagon in 2001, he formally withdrew from FANDZ."

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/698/re93.htm
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:13 PM
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34. VERY interesting starroute!! thanks!!!
Gotta follow that trail and it does seem this is extremely plausible as anything else out there!
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:01 PM
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65. Turkish business interests...
now where have we heard about that before? :)
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 01:45 AM
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91. Sibel Edmonds.
Do I get a cookie?

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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:01 PM
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28. Ahmed Chalabi on CNN International -- 4PM EST
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 03:03 PM by johnfunk
Chalabi to Rosemary Church: "I think it is outrageoua and I'm going back to confront these lies.... I've been fighting Saddam this many years... I am not intimidated by this judge... lies... manufactured lies... I was chairman of the Finance Committee... There is no case here... I will meet these charges head-on... attacking me personally ."
Why a fall from grace in America? "I am in higher esteem with my people... We are grateful to President Bush."
How did you find out? "From the press! .... which shows the political motive of all this.... I'm returning to do my duty to the people..."

MORE: Chalabi says he has a lawyer, "nobody is above the law."

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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:06 PM
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30. Ho ho ho! He's outraged!

So are we, Achmed, and so are your fellow Iraqis.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:03 PM
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29. Smear him up with barbecue sauce and dump him in a Jordanian Court
Then again, with what he knows, he's got about as much chance for survival as Saddam himself.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:12 PM
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33. Chalabi Kebabs...
... with a side order of Perle Jam.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:56 PM
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64. Yum
Now THAT'S a Feith-based initiative...
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 02:44 AM
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93. Now we see a much Sadr bunch of flying carpetbaggers..
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:06 PM
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31. Ahmed Chalabi on CNN US 4:02 PM
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 03:10 PM by johnfunk
Same pap -- although Linda Feyerich had said Salem is Ahmed's son, Ahmed had to correct her.

Linda: This has something to do with counterfeit money.
Ahmed: I was investigating it -- we had many meetings at night -- under the auspices of the financial authority -- Saddam forged the money!
Linda: "Are you being set up?"
Ahmed: "YES!" every time he leaves the country someone tries to set me up -- this time of violence, 'killing by the terrorists" -- "it's a minute amount of money... this hjudge should recuse himself, he has been attacking me for months in the press" (rerun of his CNN Int'l pap)... Salem is so far from doing this, this is the reward he gets for all his hard work, he attacked Saddam Hussein's people in the press

(Ahmed sounds miffed -- he sounded more bemused on CNN Int'l)

Linda: Would you have gone in voluntarily if they had approached you?
Ahmed: Yes -- I am going to the court -- no one is above the law -- "It is political, it is political!"
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:12 PM
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32. Surprized......NO Drudge Flashing light.no mention
goodness...guess this doesn't make the news...but if Kerry farted wrong it would be headlines 3 inchs high
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:14 PM
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35. I'm shocked -- SHOCKED -- that the Eggman...
... isn't making hay out of his Neocon heroes' "man in Tehra.... um, Baghdad" in Iraqi hot water.
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:15 PM
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36. LoL!!!!
:+
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:31 PM
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45. Geez......
I hope this doesn't reflect in any way upon our present admin. Wasn't Mr. Chalabi Cheney's fave for leader of a "free" Iraq?? Now all of a sudden.... things are starting to make sense... come on November!!
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:19 PM
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37. Ahmed is goin' down, so here's the Drudge headline:
DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE:
KERRY FARTS THE WRONG WAY!
... AHMED WHO? NEVER HEARD OF HIM!

DEVELOPING HARD...
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:13 PM
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68. lol
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:30 PM
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42. "It is political, it is political!"
No shit, Sherlock. You made your bed now sleep in it. Maybe you'll be the first to experience the death penalty that this new and fair regime has installed.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:28 PM
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41. You will not believe this, freeper comments on this situation
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 03:30 PM by Fuzz
Good! Follow through with serving the warrants too. Sadr too. The tide is turning.

3 posted on 08/08/2004 3:08:03 PM EDT by No Blue States

We hear so little about Iraq these days, it must be going very well there for our side!

10 posted on 08/08/2004 3:11:45 PM EDT by BonnieJ

I guess the Bush administration was right again. There was a lot of harsh criticism from the left when we distanced ourselves from Chilabi and made accusations against him.

14 posted on 08/08/2004 3:13:46 PM EDT by Route66 (America's Mainstreet)

Of course, the left prefers corrupt people running this country and any country.

18 posted on 08/08/2004 3:17:34 PM EDT by areafiftyone

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1187483/posts

Um, wtf??? Can ANYONE really be that delusional? Strike that.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:33 PM
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46. JimRob's Purple Kool-Aid -- does it every time
Especially Route 66, who wouldn't know "criticism from the left" if JimRob beat him over the head with it!
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:14 PM
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80. wtf? criticism from the left when they distanced themselves from chalabi?
Edited on Sun Aug-08-04 08:14 PM by enki23
"the left" was SUSPICIOUS OF CHALABI ALL ALONG. jesus christ, he sat behind bushy's fucking zombie wife at the state of the union, as an honored fucking guest.

these people are insane. seriously.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 01:50 AM
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92. Just like those fuckers to try to jump on the bandwagon.
Of course, they're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind us in doubting Chalabi as a decent guy.

Idiots are still swallowing Richard Mellon Scaife and "Reverend" Moon's bullshit, so they're hardly awake.

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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:30 PM
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43. Blast from the past (props to DUer Windy)
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html

Kristol believes the United States will be "vindicated when we discover the weapons of mass destruction and when we liberate the people of Iraq."


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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:50 PM
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49. Josh Marshall's comments are a scream...
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_08_08.php#003252

<snip>
Department of full circles.

According to the Associated Press the government of Iraq today issued arrest warrants for Ahmed Chalabi (on charges of counterfeiting) and his nephew Salem Chalabi (on charges of murder).

Salem, of course, remains head of the war crimes tribunal charged with trying Saddam Hussein and other leaders of the former regime. But the tribunal covers crimes committed under the former regime, not the present one. So perhaps there's no conflict.
</snip>

Snarf! :D

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 03:56 PM
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50. Background: Chalabi linked with investigator's assassination (4 Aug 2004)
Baghdad: Iraq's top criminal court is investigating allegations that Salem Chalabi, the organiser of the war crimes tribunal that will try Saddam Hussein, threatened an official days before the man was assassinated.

Mr Chalabi, whose uncle is the former Governing Council member Ahmad Chalabi, is accused of attempting to intimidate Haitham Fadhil, a Finance Ministry official who was investigating the Chalabi family's property holdings when he was killed in May.

Salem Chalabi, 41, denied any involvement in the murder and dismissed the allegations as designed to remove him as executive director of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, where officials of the former regime will be tried for crimes against humanity.

The investigation began after the shooting of Haitham Fadhil, a Ministry of Finance inspector, on May 28. He was preparing a report that concluded that members of the Chalabi family and their political party, the Iraqi National Congress, had illegally seized hundreds of pieces of property after the US invasion last year.

The property included mansions, former government offices and agricultural land, a source familiar with the investigation said.

(more)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/03/1091476498716.html?oneclick=true
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:02 PM
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52. There are just so many people playing games around Iraq
and these issues, sometimes I think we will never know till it is over and then we may still never know the truth.

You need a gigantic score card to keep up with all of this mess!
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:19 PM
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56. The "Iraqi Government" (cough) wouldn't pick it's nose with out
being told when to pick, how to pick, how far to pick and what to do with the bogger. If these two have been charged, then these two know secrets that the Bush Crime Syndicate wants taken to THEIR graves and will make sure they remain there.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:27 PM
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57. I think that this may be a CIA special.
Allawi is a CIA guy, who replaced Chalabi, the PNAC guy. The PNAC has tried to pin 9/11 and the Iraqi debacle on the CIA. I cannot imagine that our friendly spooks are ready to take it lying down.

I just wonder what Saddam will have to say in a court not run by PNAC/administration/possible Iran sympathizer Salem Chalabi. And I wonder what the Chalabis and their friends will say about the PNAC nuts to save their skins.

This could turn out to be very, very interesting. That is if we ever find out.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:31 PM
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58. If it is -- good for the CIA
After the way Wolfie and Feithy and Perlejam and the Orifice of Special Plan(t)s ratf$#@ed then, I can't blame CIA in the least -- in fact, a heaping helping of revenge served cold to those who tried to use doctrine to dictate intel seems like the least they should do.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:58 PM
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86. My enemy's enemy is not necissarily my friend
I can't get with cheerleading the CIA; just look at Allawi, for starters.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:50 AM
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95. My enemy's enemy is more Democrat-leaning than most people know...
... don't forget there's a lot of first-tier university brainpower there, and it tends to lean toward the more generous and long-term-oriented Dems than the GOP.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:32 PM
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59. Ahmed Chalabi up for murder? How about Allawi?
There seems to be some evidence afoot that would sipport an indictment on six counts.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:44 PM
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60. Ahmed Chalabi is up for money laundering. Salem Chalabi
is up for murder.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:58 PM
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78. You're correct. My bad.
!!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:48 PM
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63. Did Chalabi accompany
Al-Sistani to London? If so, is he still there?
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:47 PM
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62. Chalabis deny charges made in Iraq warrants

They say counterfeiting, murder allegations politically motivated
Chalabi, a former darling of the Pentagon (news - web sites) who helped lead the United States into war in Iraq (news - web sites), said he would fight the charges against him which he described as outrageous.

Zuhair al-Maliki, chief investigative judge of the Central Criminal Court of Iraq, said an arrest warrant had been issued against Ahmad Chalabi in connection with counterfeiting money and against Salem Chalabi on murder charges.

Ahmad Chalabi, a former head of Iraq's previous Governing Council, said he and his nephew had only heard of the charges through the media and that they were politically motivated. "There is no case here and I will go to meet those charges head on ...," he told CNN, speaking from Tehran.

"I have been fighting Saddam for many years and we survived that and we are certainly not going to be intimidated by this judge ..."
He said he had "grave reservations" about the court, but added: "Nobody is above the law and I am certainly not." The former exile is the head of the Iraqi National Congress and was once seen as a potential Iraqi leader. But he has fallen from favor in recent months, spurned by Washington and many in the new Iraqi government. Salem Chalabi, a lawyer, is leading the work of the Iraqi Special Tribunal which will try Saddam Hussein, caught last year by U.S. troops.
He told CNN the charges appeared to be very strange.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/08/08/chalabis/index.html
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:04 PM
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66. This should be the tip off to Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan
what's in store for him.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:08 PM
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67. maybe Chalabi and Saddam can be cellmates!
I'm sure they'll have a good time growing tomatos and baking cookies.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:18 PM
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69. Chalabi called CNN from "Iran".....Salem is in England...so now they
will never be picked up...this sounds fishy.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:20 PM
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70. we need a picture
of Chalabi from the state of the union address
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:31 PM
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71. Here's a better picture.... check it out!
TVNL warned about this guy more than a year ago. Everyone who was up on the history of PNAC knew this was Wolfie's friend. Chalabi is featured in the LOADED DECK of America's LEAST Wanted culprits. He was listed as 'captured' on the site as soon as he came into disfavor.....

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/captured.html



2 of Clubs, Dr. Ahmed Chalabi. This card is still vocal but is not being included in the deal. It was used as the wild card replacement for the Ace of Spades in the Iraqi deck. Even the current dealer realized that it would mean a losing hand, so they are dealing him out for now.

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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 05:43 PM
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72. this guy was the administrations hand picked new president of iraq
lol, thank god the iraqi people didn't buy it.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:35 PM
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75. HERE'S A COUPLE


George W. Bush, Iraqi Governing Counsel member Dr. Jalal Talabani and Ahmed Chalabi in Baghdad, November 27, 2003. (Larry Downing/Reuters)

From the sneak into Baghdad Thanksgiving follies




Chalabi at this year's State of the Union address, sitting right behind Laura Bush.


stolen from

http://www.liberalconspiracy.com/Chalabiphotogallery.htm
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:20 PM
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74. The sacrificial
lamb?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 06:52 PM
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76. Special Guests of Mrs. Bush at the State of the Union
For Immediate Release
Office of the First Lady
January 20, 2004

Special Guests of Mrs. Bush at the State of the Union


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040120-5.html





Dr. Adnan Pachachi President, Iraqi Governing Council Dr. Pachaci is President of the Iraqi Governing Council and President of the Iraqi Independent Grouping. He is former Foreign Minister and Permanent Representative to the United Nations.

Minister Hoshyar Zebari Iraqi Interim Foreign Minister Mr. Zebari is a member of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), and was the KDP's head of International Affairs before being named Iraqi Interim Foreign Minister on September 1, 2003. He holds a Masters Degree in Sociology from Essex University.

Dr. Ahmed Chalabi Iraqi Governing Council Member Dr. Chalabi is founder and head of the Iraqi National Congress (INC). He is also a mathematics professor and a
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 07:54 PM
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77. kick
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 08:10 PM
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79. Another dimson backed get's turned on.
big surprise.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:18 PM
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81. BwaaaaaahhhaaaahhhahahahahaaaaaHHHHaaaaah
And may I add, BWAHHHHAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 09:51 PM
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82. Well, Kick for the CHALABIs, Saud, and Bush
and for Shrub running barefoot down marble halls, chased by Praetorian Guards.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:06 PM
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84. It didn't take the BFEE long to double-cross these guys
Not that I have any sympathy for the crooks. Allawi is no better - he seems to be shaping up to be worse what with the rumors that he likes to be judge, jury and executioner.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 10:22 PM
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85. Kick. Forever. n/t
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 11:07 PM
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87. Story not getting much coverage
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 01:00 AM
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90. "Chalabi": the song
Download it here, courtesy of The Compassionate Conservatives:
http://www.oregonwaterfalls.com/cc/Chalabi.html

To the tune of "Volare"

Chalabi.... oho
Chalabi... ohohoho

Remember back in Amman
They found the money was gone
So you fled from the country as fast as you could
And you found yourself valuable friends
Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz knew you were ready to squeal,
So you made up a whale of a tale for a hell of a deal...

Chalabi.... oho
Chalabi... ohohoho

You fed us nothing but lies
Of germs that fell from the skies
Now you claim to be heroes in error dismissing
The reasons you gave us for war
And you offer to fall on your sword like the prodigal whore
But the troops and civilians who died for your cause deserve more...

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:28 AM
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94. Been up all night ... have a theory on Chalabi

other news articles are saying counterfeit money creation, not
money laundering. And others here (including me) are wondering
just what kind of stupid fuck who was getting sooo much from the
Bushistas (well, US taxpayers), why would he feel the need to
counterfeit. Even if he was falling out of favor...

And I can think of only two reasons.

1) He needed massive amounts of currency to hire or payoff various
people so he could create a coup. (Possible, but unlikely).

or

2) He was trying to destabilize the new Iraqi currency and the
government even before it gets on its feet... all for his
Iranian masters (his other handlers that we didn't know about
or chose to ignore) - I like this one.

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:40 AM
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97. Today's Globe and Mail had this on the front page
So, it is getting some major play in Canada, at least.
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