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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 09:57 PM
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Powell and Aide Questioned on Haiti by Panel's Skeptics
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ASHINGTON, March 3 — Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and his top aide for Latin America faced fierce questioning on Wednesday from lawmakers who rejected the administration's claims that President Jean-Bertrand Aristide of Haiti had resigned of his own free will.

At a hearing dominated by Democratic members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Roger F. Noriega, the assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs, was denounced as insolent and misguided, and faced derisive laughter, as he testified that the United States had not forced Mr. Aristide from office.

"We did not support the violent overthrow of that man," Mr. Noriega told members of a House international relations subcommittee.

Mr. Aristide, who was flown into exile in the Central African Republic aboard an American plane on Sunday, has said he was kidnapped by American officials determined to oust him. Angry Democrats excoriated the administration for effectively carrying out a coup d'état. In the hearing, lawmakers said Mr. Aristide had been coerced into resigning.


<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/04/politics/04CAPI.html?ex=1078981200&en=b87f3a9f7f2f1ada&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE>


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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:06 PM
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1. "We did not support the violent overthrow of that man,"
Just like Clinton did not have sex with that woman?
Hmm, which is impeachable, to support the overthrow of a democratically elected leader or to get a hummer from an intern?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:06 PM
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2. I saw the hearing today
Edited on Wed Mar-03-04 10:07 PM by htuttle
there's a thread or two on it in GD.

This article missed on one thing:

The Bush administration, working with leaders of the Caribbean Community, is trying to set up a new government in Haiti with representatives from Mr. Aristide's party, Lavalas, and members of the political opposition. The chief justice of the Supreme Court, Boniface Alexandre, is the interim president, as authorized by Haiti's Constitution.


It was pointed out at the hearing today that Boniface Alexandre has NOT been constitutionally put in power. Here's from another article from LBN that explains:

He (Prime Minister Neptune) declined to say whether he believed Supreme Court President Boniface Alexandre, sworn in on Sunday as Aristide's replacement, was in office legitimately. He said there would have to be a formal ceremony of inauguration, something American officials say they are planning.

Alexandre has not made a public appearance since Sunday and questions have been raised about his appointment because there is no legislature in place to approve it as required by the constitution.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=3&art_id=qw1078337701160B231&set_id=1
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:10 PM
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3. Just one problem here,...the reality that the Pentagon is the dictator,...
,...while the State attempts to mediate. I have really taken note of that conflict, lately. The Pentagon, being pure dictatorial, is on a crusade to take the State down. It plants assholes like Noriega in the State to do its dirty deeds,...then, blames everything on the State. I wish someone would give Rummie and his arrogant assholes a wake-up call,...that there are some souls which are never ever for sale,...YOU FUCK!!!

please forgive,...my anger which was directed at the most evil of humanity

No one need do much to Rummie anyway, since his jaw is deteriorating and his face is melting,...for whatever reason. He is falling apart, outside and in (which has been happening for quite some time and, unfortunately, his whole family is decaying along with him). That is the way it goes,...with such black-holed souls.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:35 PM
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4. The Demonization of Jean Bertrand Aristide... PUKE ALERT
That POS Noriega no sooner got out of the House testifying about Haiti and he started floating more f*ck'n LIES. Anything to justify the coup and get the attention off Powell and the rest of the Bushista scum.

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U.S.'s Noriega Says Aristide Undercut Democracy, Wasted Aid

March 3 (Bloomberg) -- Roger Noriega, the U.S. diplomat overseeing Haiti policy, rejected accusations of a U.S.-backed coup as he told Congress that former President Jean-Bertrand Aristide undermined democracy and squandered economic aid in the Caribbean country.

Aristide went into exile in the Central African Republic Sunday on board a U.S.-furnished jet, accepting an American offer to protect his safety as he left the country. He has since told supporters and journalists by telephone that he was ousted. The U.S. says he brought about his own downfall.

``In the last few weeks, we saw Haitian national policemen without arms,'' Noriega told a combative House International Relations subcommittee hearing in Washington. ``The government was distributing arms to its gangs. Most of the looting and violence to people and property was committed by allies of Aristide.''

Noriega, an assistant secretary of State, said the Aristide government didn't investigate or prosecute any killers of his political opponents, and frittered away more than $850 million in U.S. aid given during his tenure, which began when he was reinstated in 1994 by the U.S. following a 1991 coup.

<http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aggORL3TN0NI&refer=top_world_news>



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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 10:42 PM
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5. ohh.....I believe Maxine Waters warned him about that!
She made him agree to each point of fact, that the money was given to NON GOVERNMENTAL ENTIIES in Haiti, NOT to the government of Haiti itself. She said, flat out, that she did NOT want to hear this lie about $850 million being 'frittered away' by Aristide anymore.

So there it is again, a lie enshrined as the truth.

She's going to be really angry.
She's already really angry. MORE angry.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:01 PM
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6. I couldn't turn up a transcript from today--do you think one exists?
I couldn't seem to find anything. I think she said the same thing on Flashpoints this afternoon.

Peace!!
SW
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-04 11:07 PM
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7. Here's where it should be once it's up
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 10:55 AM
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8. Thank you! In the meantime an article by witness Jeffrey Sachs
I caught the second panel just as that f*ck Noriega was leaving. The seond panel included Dr. Jeffrey Sachs who is in touch with Aristide daily and says that Aristide now fears for their safety. This guy was AWESOME. Sachs demanded that the US contact Aristide and let him speak to the world. Here's an article Sach's wrote a few days ago.

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The fire this time in Haiti was US-fueled

The Bush administration appears to have succeeded in its long-time goal of toppling Aristide through years of blocking international aid to his impoverished nation

Haiti, once again, is ablaze. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide is widely blamed, and he may be toppled soon. Almost nobody, however, understands that today's chaos was made in Washington -- deliberately, cynically and steadfastly. History will bear this out. In the meantime, political, social, and economic chaos will deepen, and Haiti's impoverished people will suffer.

The Bush administration has been pursuing policies likely to topple Aristide since 2001. The hatred began when Aristide, then a parish priest and democracy campaigner against Haiti's ruthless Duvalier dictatorship, preached liberation theology in the 1980s. Aristide's attacks led US conservatives to brand him as the next Fidel Castro.?

They floated stories that Aristide was mentally deranged. Conservative disdain multiplied several-fold when then-president Bill Clinton took up Aristide's cause after he was blocked from electoral victory in 1991 by a military coup. Clinton put Aristide into power in 1994, and conservatives mocked Clinton for wasting America's efforts on "nation building" in Haiti. This is the same right wing that has squandered US$160 billion on a far more violent and dubious effort at "nation building" in Iraq.?

Attacks on Aristide began as soon as the Bush administration assumed office. I visited Aristide in Port-au-Prince in early 2001. He impressed me as intelligent and intent on good relations with Haiti's private sector and the US. No firebrand, he sought advice on how to reform his economy and explained his realistic and prescient concerns that the American right would try to wreck his presidency.

<http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2004/03/01/2003100742/print>

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:54 AM
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9. I called about transcripts
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 11:58 AM by seemslikeadream
Transcripts for hearings take 3 months or longer!

but the hearing can be seen at www.C-SPAN.org under most watched videos.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 11:58 AM
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10. CARICOM saying that the airport officials NOT ALLOWED on
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 11:59 AM by Say_What
plane in Antiqua and that Aristide was not even aware that they were in Antigua. I'm looking around for text of CARICOMS statement from yesterday. One of the House Reps as the hearing was wrapping up said she just received a CARICOM statement that said they are demanding Aristide be restored to his presidency.


Three months!! Jasus.... Thanks for the update. :hug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:07 PM
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12. Letters Maxine Waters wrote about Haiti
Edited on Thu Mar-04-04 12:08 PM by seemslikeadream
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 1, 2004 Contact: Ron Dungee
(323) 757-8900


Congresswoman Maxine Waters' Statement on Kidnapping of Haitian President Aristide


"I spoke to President Jean-Bertrand Aristide by telephone this morning and he told me that did not resign. He said he was kidnapped by American military and U.S. diplomats and military officials and was being held in the Central African Republic.

"Mr. Aristide said that Luis G. Moreno, deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Port-au-Prince, came to his home in the wee hours of the morning with other diplomats and with U.S. Marines. He said he was told to leave and leave now or he and many Haitians would be killed.

"He told me, 'The world must know it was a coup. I was kidnapped. I was forced out. That's what happened. I did not resign. I did not go willingly. I was forced to go.'

"Mr. Aristide told me he was being held under guard in Central Africa's Palace of the Renaissance and felt like he was in jail.

"I also spoke with President Aristide's wife, Mildred. The first thing Mildred said was, 'The coup d'état is complete. It has been completed.'

"I talked to the president and his wife for about 15 minutes. He was anxious to get the word out that he did not leave voluntarily, that he was kidnapped, that he was forced out.

"President Aristide told me he had not been abused, but he sounded angry, stressed, determined; really anxious that people know he was kidnapped, that he did not go willingly, that he was forced out.

"I am deeply saddened that the United States government appears to be complicit in the overthrow of President Jean Bertrand Aristide. The Bush Administration refused to lead an international peacekeeping force to end the violence in Haiti and allow President Aristide to finish his term in office; then the Administration forced him out of the country in the dark of night.

"Last Thursday, the Congressional Black Caucus had an emergency meeting with President Bush, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of State Colin Powell. We laid out a very clear case for intervention and asked the president to lead an international effort to keep the peace, stabilize the volatile situation and preserve the government of Haiti's first democratically elected president.

"I have visited Haiti three times since the first of the year and was able to provide first hand information about what was going on in that country. I explained that the so-called opposition was a conglomeration of former supporters of the dictatorial Duvalier regime. Andre Apaid, an American citizen in charge of the Group of 184 started this coup three weeks ago. Guy Philippe, who was exiled to the Dominican Republic after he tried to stage a coup in 2002 was leading a band of exiled military criminals, thugs and murderers-some convicted in absentia for killings they committed in ousting Aristide from office when he was first elected. These were the people pursuing a coup d'état to return Haiti to the corrupt dictatorial rule of the past.

"The CBC asked the president to intervene immediately to stop the bloodshed in Haiti. Scores of Haitian people had been killed and thousands of others held hostage as Philippe and his army of thugs seized town after town as they advanced toward Port-au-Prince. We pointed out that the obstacle to a peaceful solution was not Aristide. I was in Haiti when Aristide signed off on a peace proposal worked out by CARICOM (the Caribbean Community) and others in the international community. It was the opposition that rejected the proposal and refused to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the crisis.

"However, we did not go to the White House to ask for help in Haiti solely for humanitarian reasons. We went there because the United States government was actively involved in the creation of this crisis and had an obligation to do something about it. For several years, the United States blocked $145.9 million in development loans to Haiti by the Inter-American Development Bank. These loans were supposed to fund health, basic education, rural road development, potable water and sanitation programs. Blocking those loans further impoverished the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere. Our government prevented the money from going to Haiti until the Congressional Black Caucus intervened last year.

"We tried to impress upon the president that the situation of Haiti was extremely critical and immediate action was needed. We did not need a massive military presence in Haiti and it did not need to be a lengthy occupation. All we asked was that the United States and other countries provide immediate assistance to Haiti to strengthen the Haitian police so that they could restore law and order. We could have been in and out in a short period of time, but the president asked for more time to think about it. He was holding out for a political solution to the crisis.

"Now we know the political solution for which he was holding out.

"The thugs and military criminals have accomplished their mission of deposing Aristide with the overt approval and support of the Bush Administration. Now, other members of the Aristide Administration are seeking asylum in other countries.

"This should have been prevented and could have been prevented if the Bush Administration had acted to help stabilize the situation in Haiti.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 23, 2004 Contact: Ron Dungee
(323) 757-8900
Betty Edwards
(202) 225-2201


Congresswoman Maxine Waters Says Bloodbath Imminent in Haiti


HOUSTON, Texas - Congresswoman Maxine Waters, who returned from Haiti on Saturday, says a bloodbath in that country is imminent in spite of the fact that President Aristide has agreed to the peace plan worked out by the international community.

"The opposition has rejected the peace plan, they have refused to negotiate and they have sent that signal to the thugs and newly formed army of exiled criminals. They have murdered many people in Cap Haitien and now control several cities.

"These thugs, and the newly reformed army made up of exiled former military officers and criminals known as The Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti (Fraph), are now on their way to Port-au-Prince and there will be a bloodbath there in hours unless there is some form of intervention from the United States and the international community beyond merely securing their embassies," Waters said.

President Aristide has been on the telephone for the last eight hours, asking the United States for help. Congresswoman Waters has placed calls to Secretary of State, Colin Powell, asking for help.

Congresswoman Waters was told by Ambassador Roger Noriega, the Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs, that the United States does not have any plans to assist in preventing Fraph from creating this confrontation, nor did he know whether this policy would change. Congresswoman Waters concluded her conversation with Mr. Noriega by warning him that a bloodbath on the streets of Haiti in Port au Prince was imminent and that the United States could avert this bloodbath if the United States, or the international community, with the aid of the United States, would send assistance to strengthen the Haitian police force to restore order.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 23, 2004 Contact: Ron Dungee
(323) 757-8900


Letter to Colin Powell


The Honorable Colin Powell
Secretary of State
Department of State
2201 C Street, NW, Room 7261
Washington, DC 20520

Dear Secretary Powell:

As you may know, I returned to Haiti this past weekend. While there, it became clear to me that a bloodbath in that country is imminent in spite of the fact that President Jean-Bertrand Aristide has agreed to the peace plan worked out by the international community.

The opposition has rejected the peace plan, and they have refused to negotiate. They also have sent a signal to groups of thugs and a newly formed army of exiled criminals that they will support the violent overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Haiti.

These thugs, and the newly reformed army made up of exiled former military officers and criminals known as The Front for the Advancement and Progress of Haiti (Fraph), have murdered many people in Cap Haitien and now control several cities. They are now on their way to Port-au-Prince, and there will be a bloodbath there in hours unless there is some form of intervention from the United States and the international community beyond merely securing their embassies.

I implore you to act immediately to send assistance to Haiti to strengthen the Haitian police force and to restore law and order and preserve democracy in Haiti.

Sincerely,


Maxine Waters
Member of Congress

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 18, 2004 Contact: Ron Dungee
(323) 757-8900


The Crisis in Haiti
By Rep. MAXINE WATERS

I recently visited Haiti where I observed the escalation of political violence that is occurring in that country. It was my second trip to Haiti so far this year. I am deeply concerned about the growing violence in Haiti, organized by the so-called opposition. I am also concerned that this "opposition" is apparently supporting what can only be described as gangs and their violent activities operating in the northern part of the country.

Unfortunately, the opposition, led by Andre Apaid under the banner of what is known as the "Group of 184," is not simply a peaceful group trying to correct the problems of the government. Andre Apaid is a Duvalier-supporter, who allegedly holds an American passport and obtained permanent resident status in Haiti through deceptive means. Andre Apaid is ferociously adamant about forcing Jean-Bertrand Aristide, the first democratically-elected President in the history of Haiti, out of office.

Andre Apaid, the owner of 15 factories in Haiti, has been accused of tax evasion, operating sweatshops and being a President Aristide-hater. The so-called peaceful protests led by Andre Apaid and his Group of 184 are responsible for defying the rule of law as it relates to parade routes, notification of protest actions, and other laws that are normally respected in any democratic society. The protests he organizes have become increasingly violent. Police officers are confronted, property is damaged, and roads are blocked. It is my belief that Andre Apaid is attempting to instigate a bloodbath in Haiti and then blame the government for the resulting disaster in the belief that the United States will aid the so-called protestors against President Aristide and his government.

Andre Apaid refuses to negotiate despite the fact that the State Department, the Organization of American States and many other organizations are now supporting a proposal put forth by CARICOM. Andre Apaid continues to use inflammatory language to denounce President Aristide and demand that President Aristide leave his democratically-elected presidency. His so-called opposition group has accused President Aristide of everything from corruption and drug trafficking to support for paramilitary activity. When asked for documentation, they have not been able to produce anything more than rumors, innuendos and allegations.

President Aristide disbanded the military when he returned to office and has a police force of only 5,000 for a country of 8 million people. The United States aborted its efforts to support and train the new police force and currently has a ban on selling guns and equipment to Haiti. This policy effectively denies Haitian law enforcement officers the essential equipment that they so desperately need to maintain order and enforce the rule of law.

President Aristide has given the United States special authority to assist with drug interdiction efforts by allowing the United States to interdict drugs in Haitian waters. The government of Haiti does not have the resources needed to wage a tough and consistent war against drugs, and the President of Haiti is begging the United States for assistance to eliminate drug trafficking.

President Aristide is pursuing a progressive economic agenda in Haiti. Under his leadership, the Haitian government has made major investments in agriculture, public transportation and infrastructure. On February 7, 2003, the government doubled the minimum wage from 36 to 70 gourdes per day, despite strong opposition from the business community. There have also been a number of reforms to prohibit trafficking in persons and to protect the estimated 400,000 children from rural villages who work as domestic servants in households in the cities.

President Aristide has also made health care and education national priorities. More schools were built in Haiti between 1994 and 2000 than between 1804 and 1994. The government expanded school lunch and school bus programs and provides a 70 percent subsidy for schoolbooks and uniforms. The maternity wards of eight public hospitals have been renovated and hundreds of Haitians are being trained as physicians. Twenty new HIV testing centers will open around the country during the next two years. All of this is being accomplished despite a continuing embargo by the IMF and the World Bank.

The so-called opposition is supported by many of the same people who were content with the brutal dictators of Haiti's past. These are the same people who enriched themselves on the backs of the poor in Haiti for so many years with the support of the United States government. These people do not want a strong president like Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who will force them to pay their taxes and provide decent wages to their workers.

Two weeks ago, armed gangs took control of the Gonaives police station during a five-hour gunfight and set the mayor's house on fire. Since then, these gangs have set fire to the police stations of Gonaives, St. Marc and Trou du Nord. In St. Marc, they sealed off the city by dragging tires, debris and logs across the main roads and setting them on fire. The armed gangs have seized nearly a dozen towns in recent weeks and at least 40 people have been killed.

Unfortunately, these gangs appear to be obtaining support from the so-called opposition in the hope that their attacks will help to fuel other attacks in other parts of the country and eventually a coup d'état in Port-au Prince. This is clearly an attempt at a power-grab.

The same forces that fashion themselves as the opposition also have control over the broadcast media in Haiti. They have used the power of the press to discredit President Aristide and disseminate false information to the international press about the situation in Haiti.

The nations of CARICOM are trying to assist the people of Haiti to end the violence and resolve this crisis peacefully. The CARICOM proposal includes an outright rejection of a coup d'etat in any form and requires that any change in Haiti must be done in accordance with the Constitution of Haiti. CARICOM calls upon the opposition in Haiti to ensure representation on the Provisional Electoral Council so that the Council can begin to prepare for the holding of elections. CARICOM also calls upon the international community to provide economic support to Haiti. Economic assistance, including assistance from the United States, is essential to alleviate the suffering of the people of Haiti and build a foundation for political stability and economic growth.

The U.S. State Department must denounce Andre Apaid and the Group of 184 and must answer this question: How can the State Department remain silent while Andre Apaid, who allegedly holds an American passport, creates so much dissension, disruption and violence in this small, impoverished country?

The State Department must use its influence to help stabilize Haiti, provide assistance for health, education and infrastructure development, and discourage Haitians from building boats and rafts to get to American shores.

Finally, the international press must discontinue the practice of repeating rumors and innuendos and begin to spend quality time learning the truth and writing the truth about what is really going on in Haiti.

http://www.house.gov/waters/pr.htm
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-04 12:01 PM
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11.  CARICOM demanding inquiry into Haiti ouster
Plenty more than was reported in the Oligarch's Daily yesterday.

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....He noted, however, that Mr. Aristide disclosed that he had no knowledge of where he was being taken during his trip into exile. In particular, he said, Mr. Aristide told the CARICOM leaders he was unaware that he was in Antigua during a brief 'technical' stop before continuing on to the Central African Republic.

This account contradicts reports that the Haitian leader had contacted officials while on that island.

"We have been unable to identify any such person to whom he may have spoken," Mr. Patterson said.

He added that the Antiguan Government said that no state or airport officials were allowed to enter the plane, nor did anyone on the plane disembark.

"The declaration which was made by the operators of the plane disclosed that there were no passengers aboard.
Whether that indicates that those who were on board were regarded not as passengers, but as cargo, is something which I leave for you to determine," Mr. Patterson said.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20040304/lead/lead2.html

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