Hillary Clinton Strong in a N.H. Poll

[markus]

Some snippets, then some thoughts:

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"If Hillary Clinton suddenly expressed some interest in the race, the biggest potential loser is Kerry," Myers told the Herald. "She doesn't eat into Dean's lead at all ... As of today, Dean is the only one who could hold his own (against Clinton)."

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"Women, who favor Kerry when he's pitted against Dean, flocked to Clinton in the poll, with 32 percent saying they'd vote for Clinton, compared to 18 for Dean and 16 for Kerry.


"A hefty 30 percent of men picked Dean, compared to 19 percent for Clinton and 16 percent for Kerry.

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First, why do women not go for Dean? And how about a Dean/Kerry ticket?

Second, what does the strong support among men say about efforts to undermine Dean on national security grounds? Is Rove right? Can he drive the male vote away from Dean the Military Woosie? Or is Rove really scarred, given that strong male support doees not bode well for trying to undermine Dean on that basis?

[liberalnurse]

1. I was at a Dean fundraiser in Cincinnati....

It was a fair 50/50 there, including me, a female.... And thats comming from a repuke town....

[JeniB]

2. This should tell you something about Dean.

While it may be nice to be the only one who could beat Clinton, that says something about his campaign. All Democrats, to be a strong party, should be looking for basically the same qualities in a candidate. If Dean stands on the other side from everyone else then maybe he's not a strong candidate after all. I have nothing against him, but we are looking for someone who can get all of the Dem votes in the general election plus a lot of Independent votes and some Republican votes. If our candidate is too far off from everyone else, can he really accomplish that. Right now, right or wrong, we are in the middle of some pretty heavy military stuff. A candidate who is totally against all of that may not do well. He has to be able to carry the people's confidence that he'll be able to deal with all that's happening out there. I think that's his problem. Remember, Hillary voted for the war. Dean's main support are people who are young and could see themselves maybe being shipped off to war. Being seperated from the pack may not be a good thing.

[Teacher4dean04]

5. The differences are what count

'If Dean stands on the other side from everyone else then maybe he's not a strong candidate after all.'

It's because Dean sets himself apart from the other candidates that makes him so attractive. Many people feel that anyone who supported the war is tainted. It will be very difficult for me, as someone who attended anti-war rallies and was angry beyond all reason that there were any Dems who made this unilateral war happen, to vote for the Dem nominee if s/he voted for the war. That being said, I will vote whole-heartedly to get Bush out of office.

[JeniB]

8. Differences DO count.

I understand that. I went to anti-war rallies also, but I'm willing to see that a lot of Dems did vote for it based on the intellegence they were given. Hillary even goes back to the intellegence we had during her husband's administration. Though I'm never going to give Bush a pass on the war, I am willing to give the Dems who voted for it in good conscience a pass. I wish Dean had been in a position to vote for or against it, because then we could see how he really would have voted. I think he took the anti-war stance because he thought it would he could see a void there and thought he's pick up the anti-war crowd. He's never had to prove he wouldn't have voted for it.

[CMT]

6. Dean is winning the Independent vote in NH

according to this poll and other polls of NH. He is also doing well with men a group we need to do well with. His support is more stable than Kerry's according to this poll--he loses less supporters than Kerry does if Hillary joins in. In a campaign against Bush I expect he would have the usual democratic edge with women.

[w4rma]

16. IMHO, What it means is that Dean supporters are loyal supporters

And they aren't just going with the flow like supporters of other candidates are. Also, this means that supporters of other candidates would likely be happy to shift their support to Dean when he becomes more well known (perhaps the supporters of other candidates are mainly basing their support on name recognition?).

And this means that Dean has room to manuver for the general election since his core supporters seem to have a strong loyalty to him.

[CMT]

3. Real story is how much more solid Dean's support is even against Hillary

the real story is that Dean's support is more solid than Kerry's. As the article indicates Dean's support is much more stable and he is within striking distance of Hillary. But Hillary is not going to run anyway.

here is the link to the story
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/poll07282003.htm

also against Bush I think Dean would get the usual democratic edge with women--plus compete with Bush for men.

[markus]

14. Agreed

That's what I noticed right away. An important point. But what caught my curiosity was the gender disparity.

Angry White Men and the Women Who Love them, v. Stupid White Men.

Bring it on.

[MODemocrat]

4. This woman and many of my female friends go for DEAN

Of course, if a choice had to be made between Hillary and Dean, I just might be for Hillary; but for now, I'm behind him all the way.
He has awakened something in me that I haven't felt since 1992.

[papau]

7. Why do men reject Hillary in favor of Dean?

Is it a sex thing?

:-)

[PhuLoi]

10. Hillary would be the last choice of my wife and myself,

This is not a gender issue, it is because my wife has learned (through researching Hillary's history via google) that Hillary was a corporate attorney for Wall-Mart (Ackk---ptui!) As bad, in our view, is her active support and furtherance of the importation of foreign labor, the H1b visa and now the L1 visa. My wife is one of those whose job is endangered by Hillary's actions. My apologies to any DU'er who is offended, but these are our reasons for not supporting Hillary.

[Atlant]

15. I'd support Hillary if she were the nominee, but...

I'd support Hillary if she were the nominee, but you're going
to have a very tough time convincing me, as a NH Primary voter,
to cast a primary ballot for her.

The Clintons and their DLC cronies did tremendous damage to
the Democratic Party while they were in power, and I'd be
reluctant to give them another shot at doing more damage.
Whereas Bill could be a prominent voice against Bush now,
he seems to be milquetoast at best. And Hillary voted for
Bush's assinine invasion. Whereas I once gave money to
HillPAC, I've been ignoring her solicitations since her
pro-invasion vote.

Atlant

[kstewart33]

9. Dean comes off the wrong way

He's like an angry white male. I can hear women thinking now, 'he's kind of like my first husband.' I wish he would soften his tone abit and cool the angry schtick.

[w13rd0]

11. Well, his supporters disagree...

...there are things our candidate SHOULD be angry about, regardless color and gender. And there are other matters he's very even keel in discussing. It is no surprise to me that Dean's supporters show solid, even in the face of a Hillary entering the race. Those participating in the Dean campaign want to vote FOR someone, namely Dean, rather than just against Bush...

[0007]

12. Anything on Wesley Clark

I'm indeed thining that the General could do us a lot of good. I like Dean more than a lot, I think Clark could clean up the mess in the Middle East but I do LOVE Hilary!!

The pukes head have got to go down....and not on the Statues of Liberty. LOL!!!

[0007]

13. ....then again

it may be like a Seabisdcuit coming out of the gate late.