TwilightGardener
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Fri Dec-17-10 06:26 PM
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| 63. A stimulus tax cut was scheduled to end, and is ending. |
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But no one raised your taxes just because a temporary credit expired. And Obama even tried to have it renewed as part of the compromise, for additional stimulus, but Repubs said no. So Obama did not raise your taxes, any more than a boss is cutting your pay when he gives you a one-time bonus and then stops giving it to you in the next paycheck. If you must blame someone for not renewing the Making Work Pay credit, you could try blaming...Republicans.
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| -President Obama is raising my taxes. I am barely above the poverty line. |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 04:28 PM |
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Inflation's the biggest tax of all - it funds the war machine. nt |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-17-10 04:29 PM |
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And silent reduction of weights and sizes of food products appear to be shrinking |
lonestarnot |
Dec-17-10 09:42 PM |
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The lose of |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 08:55 AM |
#117 |
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I am right there with you! |
Rex |
Dec-17-10 04:31 PM |
#2 |
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Yep, me too |
Lorien |
Dec-17-10 04:34 PM |
#6 |
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+1 The powers-that-be who just gave themselves a tax break do indeed want your home. |
phasma ex machina |
Dec-17-10 04:43 PM |
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and 150,000,000 million other poor Americans in households with more taxes. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-17-10 07:30 PM |
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It's beyond disgusting. |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:00 AM |
#118 |
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I used to have |
Delphinus |
Dec-17-10 05:56 PM |
#46 |
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Hey we can try and survive together here on DU. |
Rex |
Dec-18-10 01:01 AM |
#108 |
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Hugs back to you. |
Delphinus |
Dec-18-10 02:23 PM |
#158 |
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I totally empathize with you. |
Divernan |
Dec-18-10 10:15 AM |
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And a Christmas hug |
Delphinus |
Dec-18-10 02:27 PM |
#160 |
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I hear ya. |
Skink |
Dec-17-10 04:31 PM |
#3 |
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I'm so sorry that so many were left behind in this. |
myrna minx |
Dec-17-10 04:33 PM |
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The 99ers really got shafted |
somone |
Dec-17-10 04:35 PM |
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Many people here don't understand that the bottom tax rate of |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:42 PM |
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Good summary; thanks. |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 04:53 PM |
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Nope, sorry, you don't get to use that comparison anymore. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:38 PM |
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Of course I can. The choice was between going back to the 2001 tax rate |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:19 PM |
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That choice never really existed and it's gone now. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 06:36 PM |
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$29 a year |
SOS |
Dec-18-10 10:14 AM |
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why do you keep defending this? they got everybody's tax cut right except for these folks |
CreekDog |
Dec-18-10 12:39 PM |
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Is it okay that, in replacing MWP, the poor's taxes go up from this year while the rich go down |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:14 PM |
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It spurs the growth of the wealthy elites bank accounts. That's about it. |
stillwaiting |
Dec-18-10 07:50 AM |
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IF this tax package works.... |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:09 AM |
#119 |
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but everyone was spared from a tax increase, except the poorest people |
CreekDog |
Dec-18-10 12:36 PM |
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"IF" encompasses many possibilites |
TalkingDog |
Dec-18-10 01:34 PM |
#152 |
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"IF"? |
skyounkin |
Dec-18-10 04:27 PM |
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He is? How so? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:33 PM |
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Is he the President? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:34 PM |
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By what specific mechanism did he raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:35 PM |
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The bill he just signed onto law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:44 PM |
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No--by what specific mechanism in the bill did he raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:45 PM |
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Read the analysis from experts since obviously you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:47 PM |
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You can't answer the question. Because Obama did not raise the poster's taxes. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:51 PM |
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Yes I can, but you refuse to do homework |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:56 PM |
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That's dated November 11th--it's a Senate Republican bill regarding |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 05:03 PM |
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And current analysis says that they are still going up |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 05:20 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-17-10 06:22 PM |
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"current analysis"..sounds like "some say" |
shellgame26 |
Dec-18-10 10:26 AM |
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You are willfully unaware of reality. n/t |
tabasco |
Dec-18-10 10:30 AM |
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too bad the admin didn't use that very same argument to let the elite tax cuts expire |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 11:13 AM |
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+1 |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 01:36 PM |
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It's the same argument being used |
SnakeEyes |
Dec-18-10 03:26 PM |
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Here: Let Larry Summers tell you. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 07:26 PM |
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Right. They didn't want it. It wasn't going to pass, because Republicans |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:39 PM |
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But the GOP wanted the payroll tax cut, and so did the Admin. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:48 PM |
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If you can't get what you want, you settle for something else. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:56 PM |
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Right |
quakerboy |
Dec-18-10 02:26 PM |
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Almost every expert addressing the issue admits this is happening. |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:38 PM |
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What specific action did Obama make to raise taxes on this poster? |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 04:40 PM |
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here: "Obama's deal will raise taxes for some low-income workers" - McClatchy |
nashville_brook |
Dec-17-10 05:44 PM |
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Right--because Making Work Pay expires. It would expire no matter what. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:09 PM |
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Sure it is |
Kalun D |
Dec-17-10 06:33 PM |
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No, it's not. The MWP credit was for everybody, and it went bye bye |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:45 PM |
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But I thought the payroll holiday is supposed to be temporary too. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 07:02 PM |
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Bottom Line |
Kalun D |
Dec-17-10 08:34 PM |
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Everybody lost the credit. Not just the poor. It's just that they're not |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:28 PM |
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Everyone lost the MWP credit but higher wage earners make out better . |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:10 PM |
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You're right, I can't imagine why people who are opposed to the tax compromise |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:17 PM |
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I can't imagine why you thought letting all the tax cuts and credits expire was ever an option. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:41 PM |
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I didn't think it was a GOOD option. But it's what a lot of people here were urging. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 10:51 PM |
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But the GOP did want the regressive payroll tax holiday. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 11:04 PM |
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I don't know what the effects will be. Krugman wasn't opposed to it, just |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 11:07 PM |
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Not sure Krugman was taking the actual regressiveness into effect. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 11:17 PM |
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Congress people are not paid by the firms that lobbyists work for |
truedelphi |
Dec-19-10 04:38 PM |
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Tax cuts are not stimulus. Quit spreading supply sider lies |
martymar64 |
Dec-18-10 10:31 AM |
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All tax cuts are not examples of supply side economics. |
tritsofme |
Dec-18-10 02:28 PM |
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The payroll tax cut is the back door to attack Social Security |
martymar64 |
Dec-18-10 10:00 PM |
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Facts don't matter to people |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 06:50 PM |
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So if Obama had allowed Bush's "temporary" tax cuts to expire |
dflprincess |
Dec-17-10 09:06 PM |
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Actually, Obama wanted to make those rates permanent for the middle class. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:36 PM |
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This just irks the |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:24 AM |
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If you want specifics, this post contains some vital links |
truedelphi |
Dec-18-10 03:43 AM |
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His capitulation to his republican collegues... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:38 PM |
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OH YEAH, BABY... |
truedelphi |
Dec-19-10 04:35 PM |
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His capitulation to his republican collegues... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:38 PM |
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Only if you compare next year's taxes to this year's taxes, |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:46 PM |
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So the fact that tthe bottom rate can basically eat their shorts doesn't bother those here |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:49 PM |
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Trust me some of us |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
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I am hoping some on this board are still fond of |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 04:54 PM |
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However, if you scrub the blood off that turnip too hard |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
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Hey Horse with no name |
truedelphi |
Dec-17-10 05:02 PM |
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We're ALL going to have to learn ways to stretch our dollars |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-17-10 05:20 PM |
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This sounds like a dodge |
treestar |
Dec-17-10 04:52 PM |
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The world's ending soon anyway, or so I've read here. |
Ikonoklast |
Dec-17-10 05:32 PM |
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for some it actually is |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 06:00 PM |
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I don't qualify for any of the credits. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:46 PM |
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Here's the evidence |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:52 PM |
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that is chilling |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 01:49 PM |
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That is seriously f'ed up |
GinaMaria |
Dec-18-10 04:20 PM |
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Left wing spin? |
Brookyn_Queen |
Dec-18-10 04:09 PM |
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why is the sky blue? |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 05:56 PM |
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silly -- someone has to pay for cutting the estate tax!! sheesh. |
nashville_brook |
Dec-17-10 04:38 PM |
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Not really. |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 04:39 PM |
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So you honestly think it's okay? |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:50 PM |
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some people live comfortably |
fascisthunter |
Dec-17-10 05:58 PM |
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There is something called |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:29 AM |
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Pitchforks? Don't be so harsh! Let's toast to their health! |
MedicalAdmin |
Dec-18-10 10:32 AM |
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Yes, they do... They are among the elitist class |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:37 PM |
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Yes, really. My taxes are going up. Just because they are going up less than they would have |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:08 PM |
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Your tax RATE will not be going up. It will remain at 10% |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:23 PM |
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Oh well my tax RATE isn't going up, great! I'll send in the same amount I sent last year then. n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:25 PM |
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Do that. All that will change is that you won't get a check in the mail |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:35 PM |
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Their tax RATE isn't going up, only their tax BILL. |
hay rick |
Dec-17-10 09:44 PM |
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look at it another way ... |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 02:01 PM |
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Dec-17-10 04:41 PM |
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why do you feel a need to attack people when they are talking |
sasha031 |
Dec-17-10 04:47 PM |
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They can't do math or else don't understand that the 10% tax rate |
pnwmom |
Dec-17-10 06:18 PM |
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its all about the math |
rapturedbyrobots |
Dec-17-10 09:07 PM |
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Due to democrat sloth or incompetence or collusion... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:51 PM |
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Well said! Its a FUCKING LIE! |
Egnever |
Dec-17-10 06:26 PM |
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self-delete: not going to get into personal attacks over this |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:31 PM |
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How the fuck is it a lie when the people we claim this is being done to help will pay more |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-17-10 07:35 PM |
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+1...nt |
SidDithers |
Dec-17-10 06:31 PM |
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I feel your pain, I struggle too |
sasha031 |
Dec-17-10 04:44 PM |
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President Obama is NOT raising your taxes, |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 04:50 PM |
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And they're just paupers anyway, so who cares? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:44 PM |
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"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?" |
intheflow |
Dec-17-10 08:28 PM |
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It was Obama's compromise n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:16 PM |
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It was THEIR compromise; one does not compromise with oneself. |
elleng |
Dec-17-10 07:15 PM |
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No, it takes two to compromise. Obama was one of the two and the GOP was the other. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Dec-17-10 10:22 PM |
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His signature is on the bill. |
Dappleganger |
Dec-17-10 10:49 PM |
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the rich keep getting richer |
smiley |
Dec-17-10 05:10 PM |
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I keep getting told that it's no big deal, and I should be glad to pay my share |
slackmaster |
Dec-17-10 05:52 PM |
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"Shut up, pauper, it could have been WORSE" is what I keep hearing. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 05:54 PM |
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Yes you should |
katnapped |
Dec-17-10 05:57 PM |
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You should want all tax cuts for the low earners to expire, therefore their taxes |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:14 PM |
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The claim was that we all had to share in the sacrifice. Instead, taxes are only going up for the |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:18 PM |
#56 |
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A stimulus tax cut was scheduled to end, and is ending. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 06:26 PM |
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The one that helps the rich was scheduled to end, too. But only the one for the poor did. n/t |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:41 PM |
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That tax credit went away for everyone. Repubs would not agree to renew it. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-17-10 09:46 PM |
#90 |
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Instead the Repubs got a payroll taxcut |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 12:10 AM |
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If inflation is up 3% a year for a few years, and then goes down 2% for a few years |
AlabamaLibrul |
Dec-17-10 06:40 PM |
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Dec-17-10 07:35 PM |
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You're right and this is sickening |
Yo_Mama |
Dec-17-10 08:10 PM |
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Damn straight! |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-17-10 10:05 PM |
#92 |
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Thank you |
Caretha |
Dec-18-10 08:21 AM |
#115 |
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Well said |
davidthegnome |
Dec-18-10 11:43 AM |
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You had it easy for too long |
kenny blankenship |
Dec-17-10 09:11 PM |
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Actually, the conversation will proceed quite nicely |
hay rick |
Dec-17-10 09:50 PM |
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Evidently, that got ZIP attention .... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-17-10 10:58 PM |
#101 |
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I am right there with you |
Tsiyu |
Dec-17-10 11:48 PM |
#105 |
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I just posted this: |
Kalyke |
Dec-17-10 11:53 PM |
#106 |
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Wait until you get hit by the coming inflation |
taught_me_patience |
Dec-18-10 01:16 AM |
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You said a mouthful there!!! |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 09:38 AM |
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I'll bet lots of folks barely making it are going to be unpleasantly surprised |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 03:43 AM |
#110 |
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Need to just suck it up |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 07:52 AM |
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yeah, surprising that sort of attitude when so many here claim to be progressive |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-18-10 11:08 AM |
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Divide and conquer, devil take the hindmost. |
blindpig |
Dec-18-10 07:38 AM |
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That Tax Bill was |
femrap |
Dec-18-10 08:52 AM |
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The stupid thing is: he's NOT raising my taxes. |
DFW |
Dec-18-10 10:13 AM |
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What are you talking about??? You're paying less taxes than in decades & Obama just signed a less |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:21 AM |
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And the wealthy are paying WAY less. Why do you think we have this huge shortfall? |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:34 AM |
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One more thing...without the tax cuts, 23 million jobs were created...WITH the tax cuts only 3 |
judesedit |
Dec-18-10 10:39 AM |
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Dec-18-10 10:27 AM |
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Dec-18-10 10:27 AM |
#129 |
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I hope you have some evidence that the poster is a liar. |
obxhead |
Dec-18-10 10:57 AM |
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It' a shame.. |
quickesst |
Dec-18-10 10:29 AM |
#130 |
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but, but, but..... PONY! |
obxhead |
Dec-18-10 11:00 AM |
#137 |
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Yep. |
alarimer |
Dec-18-10 11:16 AM |
#140 |
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K&R Between this tax burden on the lowest earners in the |
midnight |
Dec-18-10 11:25 AM |
#141 |
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if you're barely above the poverty line |
TheWebHead |
Dec-18-10 11:53 AM |
#143 |
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Wrong. I'm under the poverty line and will owe taxes. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 12:25 PM |
#145 |
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Nope |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 12:30 PM |
#147 |
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You seem to be misinformed about our tax code. n/t |
Exilednight |
Dec-18-10 12:31 PM |
#148 |
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Heard it from Rush first-hand, no doubt n/t |
katnapped |
Dec-18-10 12:34 PM |
#149 |
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That is not true |
Brookyn_Queen |
Dec-18-10 04:23 PM |
#178 |
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There were republicans who |
davidthegnome |
Dec-18-10 12:00 PM |
#144 |
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+1 |
Starry Messenger |
Dec-18-10 12:28 PM |
#146 |
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Exactly! |
DeSwiss |
Dec-18-10 01:50 PM |
#155 |
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people disagreeing with the OP are MISSING THE POINT |
shireen |
Dec-18-10 02:13 PM |
#157 |
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It was left out because Republicans wouldn't support it. If you want to blame |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-18-10 02:30 PM |
#162 |
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Not according to Larry Summers, as I already pointed out upthread. |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 03:43 PM |
#171 |
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Yeah, typical larry summers shit... |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:52 PM |
#174 |
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Yeah...we covered this already. It doesn't prove that Obama raised anyone's taxes in this bill. |
TwilightGardener |
Dec-18-10 04:22 PM |
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Thanks. nt |
BlueIris |
Dec-18-10 03:37 PM |
#166 |
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Uh, no - he kept your taxes from going up. |
johnaries |
Dec-18-10 02:54 PM |
#163 |
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That horrible conflation of Social Security funding |
ProudDad |
Dec-18-10 03:42 PM |
#170 |
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"Shut up, paupers, it could have been WORSE!" |
Hello_Kitty |
Dec-18-10 03:45 PM |
#172 |
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Interesting logic. How did Obama keep the OP's taxes from going up if they're actually going up? |
brentspeak |
Dec-18-10 10:40 PM |
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K&Rnt |
maryf |
Dec-18-10 02:59 PM |
#164 |
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Start unionizing |
killbotfactory |
Dec-18-10 04:32 PM |
#180 |
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kick....n/t |
unkachuck |
Dec-18-10 10:56 PM |
#183 |
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Thr working poor are no longer considered human beings in Washington D.C. |
Cowpunk |
Dec-19-10 11:08 PM |
#186 |
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