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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:31 PM
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26. It's a big business! There are some great stories about such frauds and
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  -Anger at Walmart heiress's $1.4bn gallery as art market becomes focus for protests Turborama  Nov-20-11 06:53 AM   #0 
  - We have truly returned to the Gilded Age.  Itchinjim   Nov-20-11 07:15 AM   #1 
  - +1.4 billion n/t  trotsky   Nov-20-11 07:20 AM   #2 
  - Yes, but it has been this way throughout history. Even if we don't like it  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 08:48 AM   #6 
  - There is no charge to the public. It's free admission.  Telly Savalas   Nov-20-11 09:13 AM   #7 
     - it is a crime if they did half the shit they are accused of doing and  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 09:42 AM   #11 
     - free admission until that money allocated for admission runs out.  uncle ray   Nov-20-11 11:25 AM   #13 
     - There are some great museums in what you call "flyover" country.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 02:11 PM   #18 
     - I think without a gilded ruling class there is no "art," just "craft". I think I'd be ok with that.  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 02:31 PM   #25 
     - I know what you mean. Art becomes an ornament to display one's wealth, sadly.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 02:40 PM   #28 
        - Not only that, though. The very category of "high art" emerges as wealth is aggregated  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 02:56 PM   #31 
           - Art should, and must be, a "lived space" within us. That is my firm belief.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 03:42 PM   #32 
              - I think the public "museum" is basically concurrent with the capitalist/modern age, though  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 04:28 PM   #35 
                 - I think if we read history we see lots of artists getting into trouble...  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 04:39 PM   #36 
                    - The "struggling artist" concurrent with the commodification of "art,"  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 04:46 PM   #37 
                       - Cezanne absolutely did have a starting advantage. But my point was that  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 04:57 PM   #39 
                          - I think a market relationship really IS a manifestion of patronage relationships,  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 05:10 PM   #43 
                             - It's good to remember that in early 15th century Florence, the guilds commissioned quite a bit  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 05:26 PM   #44 
                             - Yeah, not saying anything was the rule without exception (though, you know,  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 05:37 PM   #45 
                                - then they said "enough!" and went and created their own society in a city!  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 05:50 PM   #46 
                                   - It's a very interesting period indeed, and interesting to view its art as a reflection of that.  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 06:37 PM   #48 
                             - The problem with this sort of analysis is that it assumes that the art "market" follows  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 07:03 PM   #49 
                                - I don't see how you can say that the art market doesn't follow the tastes of the monied class.  WildNovember   Nov-20-11 08:05 PM   #52 
                                   - Thank you for your thoughtful response.  CTyankee   Nov-21-11 07:58 AM   #57 
     - The Nelson Atkins museum in Kansas City is wonderful too  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-21-11 10:49 AM   #62 
     - I live in a rural region myself, and it makes sense to me to put these  hedgehog   Nov-20-11 02:38 PM   #27 
  - this gang of pirates had a daughter who paid someone to attend  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 09:40 AM   #10 
     - was that Alice?  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 12:18 PM   #14 
     - I'm not sure. I just read she was a daughter of one of them.  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 05:05 PM   #41 
     - I'm not sure. I just read she was a daughter of one of them.  roguevalley   Nov-20-11 05:05 PM   #42 
     - Do you have a link for that?  tammywammy   Nov-20-11 05:51 PM   #47 
     - I do remember the infamous Paige Laurie case:  Blue_Tires   Nov-21-11 11:35 AM   #63 
  - "...without giving local institutions a chance..."  CBHagman   Nov-20-11 07:37 AM   #3 
  - I've done research on what happened during the Gilded Age in terms of art.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 01:27 PM   #17 
  - More out of touch billionaire bullshit. Tax them on their profits.  sarcasmo   Nov-20-11 08:34 AM   #4 
  - I think it's time to start taxing these outrageous profits the way we tax lotto winnings.  Initech   Nov-20-11 12:31 PM   #16 
     - Right on, 40%.  sarcasmo   Nov-21-11 10:02 AM   #58 
  - Let's buy great art from  edhopper   Nov-20-11 08:37 AM   #5 
  - Yes, because great art should only be in major cities...  kiva   Nov-21-11 10:36 AM   #61 
     - Yes, that is what I am saying  edhopper   Nov-21-11 03:44 PM   #64 
  - they cut the workers pay and benefits and Alice is so cheap  BlueToTheBone   Nov-20-11 09:18 AM   #8 
  - Amusing selection of art, considering the donor. Let them eat art.  Safetykitten   Nov-20-11 09:21 AM   #9 
  - You can thank the Walton heirs for coming up with the meme 'death taxes'  Hestia   Nov-20-11 10:03 AM   #12 
  - If their employees were actually paid, that museum wouldn't exist.  Initech   Nov-20-11 12:30 PM   #15 
  - There may be some Arkansan art majors who would love a job in a  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 02:15 PM   #19 
  - I've taken a lot of art classes, no way in hell would I work for the Waltons.  Initech   Nov-20-11 02:25 PM   #23 
  - I hear you. And there may be art majors who believe the same thing.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 02:29 PM   #24 
  - But there is now, $7.65 an hour, only twenty-one to thirty hours a week, no benefits.  Ikonoklast   Nov-20-11 02:55 PM   #30 
     - Unfortunately, to work at what they love, plenty of art majors would be interested.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 03:48 PM   #33 
  - +1000  Liberal_in_LA   Nov-20-11 02:16 PM   #20 
  - +1000  Starry Messenger   Nov-20-11 02:19 PM   #21 
  - That's why I enjoy art frauds and forgeries  Tom Ripley   Nov-20-11 02:24 PM   #22 
  - It's a big business! There are some great stories about such frauds and  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 02:31 PM   #26 
  - Did anybody watch "The Rape of Europa" on PBS?  woo me with science   Nov-20-11 02:50 PM   #29 
  - Unfortunately, it is not airing on my local PBS stations...nor out of NYC either here.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 03:56 PM   #34 
     - I thought they did a beautiful job, especially given the time constraints.  woo me with science   Nov-21-11 03:54 AM   #54 
  - What pisses me off is that the $1.4billion would have gone a long way  madinmaryland   Nov-20-11 04:53 PM   #38 
  - On balance I think the money should go to the employees.  CTyankee   Nov-20-11 05:00 PM   #40 
  - +1  sarcasmo   Nov-21-11 10:30 AM   #60 
  - Sick.  freshwest   Nov-20-11 07:55 PM   #50 
  - I saw Crystal Bridges dance at Cheetah's a few years back.  rucky   Nov-20-11 07:57 PM   #51 
  - K&R! n/t  countryjake   Nov-21-11 02:50 AM   #53 
  - Patron of the arts  melm00se   Nov-21-11 06:53 AM   #55 
  - Whining about this shit gives dems a bad image, it is a FREE PUBLIC Attraction!  Logical   Nov-21-11 07:17 AM   #56 
  - How many families could she have lifted out of poverty if she had instead opened a business  Marrah_G   Nov-21-11 10:17 AM   #59 

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