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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-10 08:27 AM
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25. George Lakoff ; Disaster Messaging.

Democrats are constantly resorting to disaster messaging. Here's a description of the typical situation:

* The Republicans out-message the Democrats. The Democrats, having no effective response, face disaster: They lose politically, either in electoral support or failure on crucial legislation.

* The Democrats then take polls and do focus groups. The pollsters discover that extremist Republicans control the most common ("mainstream") way of thinking and talking about the given issue.

* The pollsters recommend that Democrats move to the right: adopt conservative Republican language and a less extreme version of conservative policy, along with weakened versions of some Democratic ideas.

* The Democrats believe that, if they follow this advice, they can gain enough independent and Republican support to pass legislation that, at least, will be some improvement on the extreme Republican position.

* Otherwise, the pollsters warn, Democrats will lose popular support - and elections - to the Republicans, because mainstream thought and language resides with the Republicans.

* Believing the pollsters, the Democrats change their policy and their messaging and move to the right.

* The Republicans demand even more and refuse to support the Democrats.

We have seen this on issues like health care, immigration, global warming, finance reform, and so on. We are seeing it again on the Death Gusher in the Gulf. It happens even with a Democratic president and a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress.


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  -KRUGMAN NAILS IT - "Orwellian Centrism" kpete  Dec-12-10 09:25 AM   #0 
  - Anyone outside the beltway knows that's not what happened...what we're seeing here is the  nashville_brook   Dec-12-10 09:29 AM   #1 
  - sadly not true  dreamnightwind   Dec-13-10 04:33 AM   #16 
  - Glad Krugman spoke out - I could've vomited when I saw Milbank's bullshit piece! k&r  polichick   Dec-12-10 09:30 AM   #2 
  - Milbank is a smart ass, rich Yalie whose only interest is putting out this kind of garbage.  CTyankee   Dec-13-10 08:08 AM   #21 
  - constructing a narrative  adamuu   Dec-12-10 09:31 AM   #3 
  - rec- but actually Baucus wasn't trying to get bipartisan support.  kenny blankenship   Dec-12-10 09:35 AM   #4 
  - Good point. nt  Barack_America   Dec-12-10 10:41 AM   #6 
  - This is exactly what happened and it went exactly as planned  Vinnie From Indy   Dec-12-10 11:13 AM   #8 
  - K&R  demmiblue   Dec-12-10 10:37 AM   #5 
  - Krugman is rewriting history  ProSense   Dec-12-10 10:42 AM   #7 
  - Odd post.  Vattel   Dec-12-10 12:22 PM   #9 
  - Purge the Orwellian Wall Street fake-centrists. (nt)  w4rma   Dec-12-10 06:58 PM   #10 
  - ummmm  monkeydog   Dec-13-10 08:09 AM   #22 
     - Milbank is blaming the Left. Krugman is showing Milbank for the lying  Bette Noir   Dec-13-10 09:10 AM   #28 
        - I get it  monkeydog   Dec-13-10 03:45 PM   #35 
  - Problem is that the natives have noticed  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-12-10 07:01 PM   #11 
  - kick  Poboy   Dec-12-10 07:50 PM   #12 
  - "punching the hippies"  progressoid   Dec-12-10 08:24 PM   #13 
  - +1  Individualist   Dec-13-10 03:54 PM   #36 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Dec-12-10 08:28 PM   #14 
  - Great article! K&R nt  Enthusiast   Dec-12-10 10:10 PM   #15 
  - recommend  xchrom   Dec-13-10 05:44 AM   #17 
  - Thanks - "Spin" is a good word, but I think...  Goldstein1984   Dec-13-10 05:48 AM   #18 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Dec-13-10 05:50 AM   #19 
  - The healthcare bill took so long because industry lobbyists were busy writing in the provisions they  BridgeTheGap   Dec-13-10 07:57 AM   #20 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Dec-13-10 08:09 AM   #23 
  - Just wait until the Orwellian term "Tax Reform" gets into full swing  NBachers   Dec-13-10 08:27 AM   #24 
  - George Lakoff ; Disaster Messaging.  BrklynLiberal   Dec-13-10 08:27 AM   #25 
  - That looks like something every Democratic legislator should see.  Bette Noir   Dec-13-10 09:12 AM   #30 
  - Excellent post, Brklynliberal. Great quotes from Lakoff.  JDPriestly   Dec-13-10 09:21 AM   #31 
     - Lakoff and Dean have been ignored..much to the regret of most of us....  BrklynLiberal   Dec-13-10 11:07 AM   #34 
  - I bookmarked Krugman's blog, after someone pointed me to this piece.  Bette Noir   Dec-13-10 09:05 AM   #26 
  - The k  SpiralHawk   Dec-13-10 09:08 AM   #27 
  - "pretend moderates stalling action by pretending to be persuadable" That's exactly what happened  emulatorloo   Dec-13-10 09:10 AM   #29 
  - NEXT: Reforming Social Security to reduce the deficit  somone   Dec-13-10 09:24 AM   #32 
  - End game now beginning  bongbong   Dec-13-10 09:29 AM   #33 
  - kicked  sixmile   Dec-13-10 07:00 PM   #37 

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