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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-11 07:10 PM
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52. I'm not playing a semantics game. I am not discussing how the law views it.
People have the right to work. In some areas, the necessitates the use of a personal vehicle. Barring the curtailment of this (tickets, etc.) that person has a right to drive.

Your thinking, that one of the most vital means of transport in this country is a "privilege" granted by Big Bro is silly, and authoritarian, and exactly the type of thinking that has allowed (insurance) corporations and heavy handed judges to usurp our rights. You are part of the problem.

Clearly, I am not discussing the current state of the world, I am talking about my view that access to one of the most important means of travel in our society is a right.

Sorry about your tickets.
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  -Not 100% sure I am OK with sobriety checkpoints.... Logical  Sep-04-11 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Agreed. It's theater, designed to make it look like they're doing something. nt  TheWraith   Sep-04-11 02:00 PM   #1 
  - theater, plus a slew of cash. "oh, just happened to notice your inspection is expired (ticket)" ect  dionysus   Sep-04-11 03:47 PM   #42 
  - DuPage targets drivers who refuse breathalyzer  onehandle   Sep-04-11 02:01 PM   #2 
  - More police state stuff You have to love it!  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:03 PM   #3 
  - They do that in some communities in WI, too... as standard practice, not just this weekend.  PeaceNikki   Sep-04-11 02:03 PM   #4 
  - I live in NW Milwaukee and spend half my time it seems un Men Falls.  mysuzuki2   Sep-04-11 03:00 PM   #31 
     - Oh wow, small world!  PeaceNikki   Sep-04-11 03:09 PM   #33 
  - I always insist on a blood test, saying that the breathalyzer has too many errors  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-04-11 02:07 PM   #7 
  - Land of the Free Home of the Brave...  SammyWinstonJack   Sep-04-11 09:03 PM   #64 
  - I got stopped today in one  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-04-11 02:04 PM   #5 
  - Good for you! You might know about this but it is a great web site.....  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:06 PM   #6 
     - I flog PINAC here regularly  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-04-11 02:09 PM   #8 
        - IM me the model of camera you use for this. I want to get started in this myself! Thanks!  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:10 PM   #10 
  - I'm sure I"m 100% NOT OK with them  ixion   Sep-04-11 02:09 PM   #9 
  - I 100% agree. And it amazes me the Tea Party type are not up in arms about this. Seems.....  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:11 PM   #12 
     - Yep, I agree. It's a huge contradiction in their premise  ixion   Sep-04-11 02:17 PM   #14 
     - No one invites them out.  Gidney N Cloyd   Sep-04-11 02:46 PM   #28 
  - I am 100% sure that I am NOT ok with them.  Kali   Sep-04-11 02:10 PM   #11 
  - I'm not, but we are overwhelmed by the politics of fear. That is how  sabrina 1   Sep-04-11 02:12 PM   #13 
  - Remember systemic traffic control by the Military ,would be a police state.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 02:19 PM   #15 
  - Define "infringe on our rights"! Would you be OK with them randomly...  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:22 PM   #17 
     - No Driving is a privilege ,My Privacy is a Right.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 02:29 PM   #22 
        - I think people like you allow the slow move towards more and more rights being lost.  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:32 PM   #23 
        - I hope not , Voltaire would be ashamed ,,I think my Thousands of posts  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 02:37 PM   # 
        - You drive really slowly in the left lane, don't you?  fishbulb703   Sep-04-11 03:17 PM   #34 
           - Sorry, driving is a privilege  Confusious   Sep-04-11 03:22 PM   #35 
           - Rights can be curtailed for the good of society.  fishbulb703   Sep-04-11 03:38 PM   #36 
              - Sorry again, but driving is still a privilege  Confusious   Sep-04-11 04:35 PM   #47 
              - I'm not playing a semantics game. I am not discussing how the law views it.  fishbulb703   Sep-04-11 07:10 PM   #52 
                 - It's not my thinking, it's the way it is.  Confusious   Sep-04-11 07:52 PM   #55 
              - So if driving is a "right", I'm sure you can cite  MicaelS   Sep-04-11 04:40 PM   #48 
           - Simmer down Scooter ,A right is in the constitution, a privilege requires..  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 03:39 PM   #38 
           - Thank you... if driving were a "right"....  pipi_k   Sep-04-11 04:25 PM   #46 
           - That's overly simplistic, and ignores natural law. nt  fishbulb703   Sep-04-11 07:11 PM   #53 
              - You mean simplistic.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 07:44 PM   #54 
           - Hate to break it to you, but...  pipi_k   Sep-04-11 04:07 PM   #43 
  - I do not agree with them both due to inefficiency  treestar   Sep-04-11 02:21 PM   #16 
  - I'm 100% sure I'm not OK with it  tularetom   Sep-04-11 02:22 PM   #18 
  - I am 100% AGAINST it, too. It is a search without probable cause.  PassingFair   Sep-04-11 07:57 PM   #56 
  - What? You think these are about catching drunk drivers?  Fumesucker   Sep-04-11 02:23 PM   #19 
  - And a minimum of a $5000 bill for the legal fees and fines.  Logical   Sep-04-11 02:25 PM   #21 
  - Drunk drivers are a menace, but if someone is driving under the  gateley   Sep-04-11 02:24 PM   #20 
  - Those things presume everyone is guilty until proven innocent.  Lucian   Sep-04-11 02:33 PM   #24 
  - SB 1070 anyone? and checkpoints would probably make drunk drivers avoid them  alp227   Sep-04-11 02:37 PM   #25 
  - They'd probably prevent more deaths by volunteering to drive drunks home than manning a checkpoint  JVS   Sep-04-11 02:38 PM   #26 
  - +100  Logical   Sep-04-11 08:28 PM   #59 
  - I am also 100% sure that I am against them.  Curmudgeoness   Sep-04-11 02:39 PM   #27 
  - The purpose of checkpoints is to accommodate us to checkpoints.  Rageneau   Sep-04-11 02:50 PM   #29 
  - Had to cruise slowly through a seatbelt check in Des Plaines, IL a few mornings back.  Gidney N Cloyd   Sep-04-11 02:58 PM   #30 
  - I am 100% against them n/t  dajoki   Sep-04-11 03:08 PM   #32 
  - I have been stopped  undergroundpanther   Sep-04-11 03:39 PM   #37 
  - Thats the difference between enforcing and Abuse.  orpupilofnature57   Sep-04-11 03:42 PM   #39 
  - I have been stopped at these checkpoints, usually when riding my motorcycle.  Obamanaut   Sep-04-11 05:07 PM   #49 
  - I don't think it's that much about DUI  Irishonly   Sep-04-11 03:43 PM   #40 
  - I think the purpose to dissuade people from drunk driving. IF you make thousands of people wait  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-04-11 03:47 PM   #41 
  - Saturation patrols would do the same thing. Police cars everywhere.  Logical   Sep-04-11 08:17 PM   #58 
     - Ugh. I hate that. I'd be afraid to leave home. One of the reasons I moved out of JacksonVILE  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-04-11 09:42 PM   #67 
        - If I am not drunk they will not bother me. n-t  Logical   Sep-04-11 10:12 PM   #69 
           - They'll bother when you cannot go anywhere without getting pulled over.  Shagbark Hickory   Sep-05-11 08:22 AM   #70 
  - I hate drunk-drivers, but I am 100% against these checkpoints.  Odin2005   Sep-04-11 04:14 PM   #44 
  - I think they should be considered illegal search and seizure.  Initech   Sep-04-11 04:19 PM   #45 
  - Not sure I agree with that....  pipi_k   Sep-04-11 06:25 PM   #51 
     - You are being stopped for NO REASON at all. Papers please mode IMO  Logical   Sep-04-11 08:16 PM   #57 
        - Well, apparently  pipi_k   Sep-04-11 08:59 PM   #63 
           - I guess you agree with the SCOTUS more than I do. n-t  Logical   Sep-04-11 10:11 PM   #68 
  - In Escondido, California the cops have been told by the legislature not to use the checkpoints  sfpcjock   Sep-04-11 05:30 PM   #50 
  - Drunk driving needs to be solved socially.  Fearless   Sep-04-11 08:33 PM   #60 
  - So, do 2% of the drivers you encounter look like they're DWI to you?  hedgehog   Sep-04-11 08:39 PM   #61 
  - I am 100% sure I am not OK with them  etherealtruth   Sep-04-11 08:45 PM   #62 
  - How many % are you sure?  Zanzoobar   Sep-04-11 09:10 PM   #65 
  - They must be great when you have to be somewhere on time.  Matariki   Sep-04-11 09:16 PM   #66 
  - The government wants to make me late to work. -n/t  BrightKnight   Sep-05-11 02:17 PM   #71 
 

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