Reply #27: What's wrong with mass movements?

[Ken Burch]

You never get change without them(the post-election Obama switch from "transformation" to "transactional" is proof of that, as was your pal Rahm's success at stopping anything genuinely progressive from happening AND blocking progressive primary challenges to the Blue Dogs).

And nothing I've ever proposed would lead to "catastrophic change".

There isn't any greater good that would be served by Obama willingly agreeing to massive cuts in social spending as part of a deal. Those cuts would never be restored and accepting them would mean this party would forever lose the right to ask poor people to vote for us. We can't WIN without the votes of the poor(and the 'burbs never really backed Obama anyway).

Compromising with Cantor is the same thing as surrender. And we can never fight back after that. We can never fight for more social spending after it. We can never fight to defend anything in Social Security or Medicare if we allow anything in either to be cut.

I want to win and to stop the right-wing crazies. You just want to surrender to them. And Obama never did want to stand up to the Right or to Wall Street at all(he's proven that he backs the suites instead of the streets).