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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 10:27 PM
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61. Okay.
Explain this to me.

WikiLeaks: How U.S. tried to stop Spain's torture probe

MIAMI It was three months into Barack Obama's presidency, and the administration -- under pressure to do something about alleged abuses in Bush-era interrogation policies -- turned to a Florida senator to deliver a sensitive message to Spain:

Don't indict former President George W. Bush's legal brain trust for alleged torture in the treatment of war on terror detainees, warned Mel Martinez on one of his frequent trips to Madrid. Doing so would chill U.S.-Spanish relations.

US embassy cables: Spanish prosecutor weighs Guantnamo criminal case against US officials

The fact that this complaint targets former Administration legal officials may reflect a "stepping-stone" strategy designed to pave the way for complaints against even more senior officials.

Holder Says He Will Not Permit the Criminalization of Policy Differences

As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming commissions to examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh interrogation techniques, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a House panel that intelligence officials who relied on legal advice from the Bush-era Justice Department would not be prosecuted.

"Those intelligence community officials who acted reasonably and in good faith and in reliance on Department of Justice opinions are not going to be prosecuted," he told members of a House Appropriations Subcommittee, reaffirming the White House sentiment. "It would not be fair, in my view, to bring such prosecutions."

Either you are wrong, and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are not criminals; or

you are right, and the Obama administration is complicit in aiding and abetting the crimes committed by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, by making sure no

investigations/prosecutions take place, either here or abroad.

Which is it?
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  -Bradley Manning 'hailed a hero' on arrest anniversary Robb  Jun-11-11 08:14 AM   #0 
  - Benedict Arnold was also a hero to many...  Warrior Dash   Jun-11-11 08:36 AM   #1 
  - And some people think Eggs Benedict was named for Arnold.  Kurovski   Jun-11-11 08:42 AM   #3 
     - You are right about Ellsberg's experience...  Warrior Dash   Jun-11-11 11:36 AM   #8 
        - Honorable men aren't complicit in covering up government corruption and crime. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-11-11 12:49 PM   #9 
        - Nazi precedent  zacherystaylor   Jun-11-11 01:10 PM   #12 
        - Okay, let's assume that Bush, Obama, et al are all engaged some sort of Nazi-like conspiracy  Warrior Dash   Jun-11-11 02:25 PM   #14 
           - You missed the poiint  zacherystaylor   Jun-13-11 08:39 AM   #22 
              - That our government is corrupt and incompetent goes without saying.  Warrior Dash   Jun-13-11 07:10 PM   #28 
                 - Ending the war should be top priority  zacherystaylor   Jun-14-11 09:33 AM   #31 
                 - So, do you think the incitement of violence helps our troops?  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 11:04 AM   #33 
                    - Exposing wrongdoing is not an "incitement to violence" and will protect more troops...  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 11:52 AM   #41 
                    - Exposing war crimes helps prevent more war  zacherystaylor   Jun-16-11 08:27 AM   #77 
                 - I would consider it my highest duty as a parent to make sure my son or daughter would...  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 11:51 AM   #40 
                    - As would I, but what about the poor kid who has no other choice?  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 02:36 PM   #45 
                       - It's not a "cause." It's humanity not to bomb other countries.  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 05:18 PM   #50 
                          - That is easy position for someone of affluence to hold.  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 07:42 PM   #53 
                             - Now you're really cranking up your projection machine. You know nothing about me...  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 02:15 AM   #65 
                                - Eugene Debs said it best  zacherystaylor   Jun-16-11 08:35 AM   #78 
        - I'm glad you quoted that oath, because it doesn't mention anything about remaining silent...  JackRiddler   Jun-11-11 02:35 PM   #15 
           - The problem is what you define as "war crimes" is a normal element of war.  Warrior Dash   Jun-12-11 07:53 AM   #16 
           - There is no "normal element of war"  JackRiddler   Jun-12-11 11:24 AM   #17 
              - I don't disagree with much of what you have written. But the fact of the matter is that  Warrior Dash   Jun-12-11 02:44 PM   #18 
                 - I contest a number of your statements...  JackRiddler   Jun-12-11 04:37 PM   #20 
                    - I rec this Post  Demeter   Jun-13-11 11:18 AM   #23 
                    - Thank you, Demeter.  JackRiddler   Jun-13-11 06:04 PM   #27 
                    - You can challenge my opinions, but you cannot contest the facts.  Warrior Dash   Jun-13-11 07:34 PM   #29 
                    - An absurd standard for judgement.  JackRiddler   Jun-13-11 11:45 PM   #30 
                    - That is precisely why those without the proper frame of reference  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 10:58 AM   #32 
                       - "There is no need to grant the enemy anything other than death"  whatchamacallit   Jun-14-11 11:22 AM   #37 
                       - Since more Americans were killed in that war than all other wars Americans  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 11:47 AM   #38 
                       - What does it mean to accept responsibility for the USG engaging in wars based on lies?  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 11:48 AM   #39 
                          - You are pretty good at expressing yourself, but you are not very good at reading minds.  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 02:33 PM   #44 
                             - Projection.  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 05:22 PM   #51 
                                - I do "have a problem with those who do not value the lives of the US soldiers."  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 07:45 PM   #54 
                    - Um, Afghanistan did not attack us on 9/11, that's incorrect.  EFerrari   Jun-14-11 01:52 PM   #43 
                       - That's illogical; furthermore, the Taliban's offer was not unconditional.  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 02:41 PM   #46 
                          - Where is the illogic? Thnx.  EFerrari   Jun-14-11 02:51 PM   #47 
                             - Do you agree with the following statement?  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 07:36 PM   #52 
                                - So, you are unable to point to any illogic in my post?  EFerrari   Jun-14-11 07:48 PM   #55 
                                   - Answer the question and I will make it clear as a bell.  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 07:50 PM   #58 
                                      - That's what I thought. n/t  EFerrari   Jun-14-11 08:12 PM   #59 
                                         - Indeed...  Warrior Dash   Jun-14-11 08:18 PM   #60 
                    - What he said  whatchamacallit   Jun-14-11 11:11 AM   #34 
           - boom... right there should end the argument  fascisthunter   Jun-14-11 11:19 AM   #35 
           - Thanks for the link.  OnyxCollie   Jun-14-11 03:08 PM   #49 
  - I usually don't do hero worship but....  zacherystaylor   Jun-11-11 08:39 AM   #2 
  - I finally agree with Assange on one thing... Bradley Manning is "a nut" alright.  ClarkUSA   Jun-11-11 09:47 AM   #4 
  - Deservedly so. Too bad there aren't more like him.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-11-11 09:51 AM   #5 
  - Bradley Manning is true American Hero.  Arctic Dave   Jun-11-11 09:54 AM   #6 
  - He's not a hero, he's an idiot.  KittyWampus   Jun-11-11 09:55 AM   #7 
  - What is the media not telling us about Bradley Manning (short video)  EFerrari   Jun-11-11 01:03 PM   #10 
  - A true hero, indeed. Hard to believe he has been held a year so far.  tekisui   Jun-11-11 01:05 PM   #11 
  - Well, be fair, Lt. Calley had to spend a whole weekend in the stockade.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-13-11 11:20 AM   #24 
  - Most definitely a hero  proud2BlibKansan   Jun-11-11 01:15 PM   #13 
  - Does this mean Assange is going to fork over the money raised on Bradley Manning's back?  msanthrope   Jun-12-11 02:51 PM   #19 
  - criminal. nt  seabeyond   Jun-12-11 04:42 PM   #21 
  - The criminals are the ones Bankrupting us for imperialism overseas.  krabigirl   Jun-13-11 11:42 AM   #25 
  - ya. they are too. nt  seabeyond   Jun-13-11 04:57 PM   #26 
     - Are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney criminals? nt  OnyxCollie   Jun-14-11 02:53 PM   #48 
        - yes. i think they are. nt  seabeyond   Jun-14-11 07:49 PM   #57 
           - Okay.  OnyxCollie   Jun-14-11 10:27 PM   #61 
              - he had said before election he was not going back and investigating bushco. NOTHING NEW. nt  seabeyond   Jun-14-11 10:46 PM   #62 
                 - And you're okay with that?  OnyxCollie   Jun-14-11 11:42 PM   #63 
                    - i htought it was repugs that resorted to so much name calling ect... in argument. nt  seabeyond   Jun-15-11 09:01 AM   #67 
                       - I'll take that as a "Yes."  OnyxCollie   Jun-15-11 09:15 AM   #68 
                       - what you can take it for, is the lack to have a discussion with a person that  seabeyond   Jun-15-11 09:24 AM   #69 
                       - I thought it was repugs who blindly followed their leaders  OnyxCollie   Jun-15-11 09:26 AM   #70 
                          - you make accusations you are clueless about. it has nothing to do with obama, but manning  seabeyond   Jun-15-11 09:36 AM   #71 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-11 09:48 AM   #72 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-15-11 09:54 AM   #73 
                                - more insults from the wiki people. you people are a joke, with your god like cult and infatution  seabeyond   Jun-15-11 10:07 AM   #74 
                                   - The sheep goes, "Baa."  OnyxCollie   Jun-15-11 01:46 PM   #75 
                                      - yes they do. that has been my big issue with wiki is christ walking on water  seabeyond   Jun-15-11 02:12 PM   #76 
  - The way the military has treated him? Of course, very criminal.  JackRiddler   Jun-14-11 01:47 PM   #42 
     - bradley is a criminal, not a hero. nt  seabeyond   Jun-14-11 07:49 PM   #56 
        - That's Mr. Manning to you.  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 01:53 AM   #64 
  - He's an American Hero who Sacrificed his freedom so We Would Know the Truth  fascisthunter   Jun-14-11 11:22 AM   #36 
  - kick  JackRiddler   Jun-15-11 08:59 AM   #66 
     - & kick  JackRiddler   Jun-16-11 01:49 PM   #79 
        - & kick  JackRiddler   Jun-16-11 08:26 PM   #80 

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