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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #199
345. A few simple questions.
1) In which form are children taught to read?

2) In what form are the letters in every text book they read?

3) Every novel they?

4) Every web site they go to?

5) DU?

6) In which environments are individuals required to write and read in cursive?

Now, when we talk about speed, initially kids start out picking out the letters. They then move on to what are called "sight words", and then as they encounter longer words, they begin to learn how to sound words out.

Of course as they proceed through this process, something else interesting happens. They begin to be able to read words that they can't spell. All they need are a few letters and the overall structure of the word.

For fun, last night I took some text put it in a word document and then set the font to BRUSH SCRIPT, then asked my 9 and 11 year old daughters to read it. Neither has been taught cursive writing and both could read it fine. Not as fast as they could read PRINT but they had no trouble reading it.

Try it, see what happens.
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  -Is cursive handwriting obsolete? The Straight Story  May-11-11 01:43 PM   #0 
  - Besides my signature,  Drale   May-11-11 01:44 PM   #1 
  - Yup. That's a year of my childhood I'll never get back.  lumberjack_jeff   May-11-11 01:47 PM   #3 
  - Algebra is dealing with an unknown quantity -- you never do that?  immoderate   May-11-11 02:06 PM   #23 
  - You misunderstood me.  lumberjack_jeff   May-11-11 03:41 PM   #147 
     - Oh.  immoderate   May-11-11 04:01 PM   #170 
  - You're lucky  Capitalocracy   May-11-11 03:08 PM   #96 
     - Back in the day, you did everything in cursive.  lumberjack_jeff   May-11-11 03:42 PM   #150 
        - We had cursive through the 6th grade, not just one year. Personally, I use it everyday, because I  Hestia   May-11-11 04:39 PM   #195 
  - I don't use it much anymore either  Liberal_in_LA   May-11-11 02:05 PM   #22 
  - I quit using it immediately out of high school.  Hissyspit   May-11-11 03:39 PM   #141 
     - Important issue I forgot to address: Hissyspit, et al: Do you know how to READ cursive?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:03 PM   #171 
        - Obviously, I do.  Hissyspit   May-11-11 08:00 PM   #280 
           - Cursive, unlike Morse Code, is useful in daily life. But yes, we learned Morse Code in school  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:23 PM   #295 
              - Weird connection: I always print BECAUSE of Morse Code!  mwb970   May-12-11 07:00 AM   #339 
  - I hope not. You acquire discipline from learning good  Skidmore   May-11-11 01:45 PM   #2 
  - +1  xchrom   May-11-11 01:47 PM   #4 
  - Why?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:01 PM   #12 
     - Because that's the way they did and gosh darnit, it was the right way!  alcibiades_mystery   May-11-11 03:36 PM   #131 
        - It is beautiful though  Mojorabbit   May-11-11 03:54 PM   #163 
        - Imagine how easy it will be to forge checks when cursive is obsolete.  Chef Eric   May-11-11 04:07 PM   #179 
           - what are these "checks" of which you speak?  fishwax   May-11-11 06:29 PM   #258 
  - I feel the same, but I fear that it is going away.  kick-ass-bob   May-11-11 01:50 PM   #6 
  - Specifically what?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:01 PM   #10 
  - LOL, that is the argument used by the defenders of all obsolete skills.  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:08 PM   #97 
  - Not talking about that kind of discipline.  Skidmore   May-11-11 03:22 PM   #108 
  - Agree. I remember the writing drills that my first grade teacher put my  bluestate10   May-11-11 04:04 PM   #174 
  - Not with me. It's all I know. n/t  Cleita   May-11-11 01:48 PM   #5 
  - Cursive writing is faster than any other form of manual writing. And it is beautiful. nt  bluestate10   May-11-11 04:06 PM   #177 
     - Well, apparently some can't read it anymore.  Cleita   May-11-11 07:42 PM   #273 
  - grammar seems to be going obsolete too  ginnyinWI   May-11-11 01:53 PM   #7 
  - It bothers me a lot too  CountAllVotes   May-11-11 01:58 PM   #9 
  - I read a few years back that a lot of younger people can't read a traditional clock.  CrispyQ   May-11-11 02:03 PM   #16 
  - I had a co-worker in her late twenties who couldn't tell time without a digital clock.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:09 PM   #25 
  - Tell teenagers 'I'll pick you up at twenty of six' and they're baffled. n/t  Davis_X_Machina   May-11-11 02:14 PM   #28 
  - I'm 42 and into anachronisms  Sentath   May-11-11 03:04 PM   #91 
  - Twenty of six?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:39 PM   #196 
     - 5:40...  Davis_X_Machina   May-11-11 07:44 PM   #275 
     - The "of" is no regionalism, Son.  mwb970   May-12-11 06:53 AM   #337 
        - It didn't seem so universal in my part of the world in the 1960s  Art_from_Ark   May-12-11 07:39 AM   #347 
  - I'd be baffled with that one too.  octothorpe   May-12-11 07:04 AM   #342 
  - Why didn't she just learn how to read one?  octothorpe   May-12-11 07:02 AM   #341 
     - Don't kid yourself.  Codeine   May-13-11 02:22 PM   #354 
  - I had to learn how to read a traditional clock  csziggy   May-11-11 06:12 PM   #254 
     - A flip clock. I'd forgotten about them.  CrispyQ   May-11-11 07:48 PM   #276 
        - That is neat - but it would take some getting used to!  csziggy   May-11-11 09:47 PM   #302 
        - I take it that's a 24 hour clock?  octothorpe   May-12-11 07:07 AM   #343 
           - I'm not sure what a 24 hour clock is.  CrispyQ   May-13-11 12:20 PM   #352 
  - Oh noes, people are dropping -ly from adverbs! The world is gonna end!!!  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:10 PM   #101 
     - LOL, that is the argument used by all defenders of sub-literacy. nt  Codeine   May-11-11 03:17 PM   #104 
        - I can write and speak perfect standard English if I want to.  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:30 PM   #119 
        - Sir, there is a big difference between welcoming difference in language and ENCOURAGING ignorance  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:56 PM   # 
        - Yep!  Le Taz Hot   May-11-11 03:40 PM   #146 
  - I never learned it.  Sonoman   May-11-11 01:54 PM   #8 
  - My wife is German and doesn't use cursive  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:03 PM   #17 
  - Actually, I'll bet those skilled in cursive writing...  theHandpuppet   May-11-11 02:03 PM   #18 
  - I taught myself.  Sonoman   May-11-11 02:19 PM   #34 
  - Do you denigrate every skill you don't possess?  aquart   May-11-11 02:22 PM   #39 
  - I find most people do.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:24 PM   #42 
  - Not to mention the folks that denigrate  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:27 PM   #47 
     - I'm not denigrating anybody.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:30 PM   #54 
        - Removing an unnecessary second way to learn to write  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:33 PM   #58 
           - you're right. we should drop block printing from the get go.  kick-ass-bob   May-11-11 02:57 PM   #82 
  - Man, I don't have time for that.  Sonoman   May-11-11 02:28 PM   #51 
     - And you had a decent reason.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:31 PM   #56 
  - because it is faster, for one.  kick-ass-bob   May-11-11 02:39 PM   #66 
  - They were the first fonts. nt  Confusious   May-11-11 10:04 PM   #309 
  - I'm 21, and when I was in school  LoveIsNow   May-11-11 02:01 PM   #11 
  - "The normal way"?  aquart   May-11-11 02:24 PM   #44 
  - Printing like kindergarteners, I suppose.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:42 PM   #70 
  - Wouldn't be the first time I was considered "abnormal"  WolverineDG   May-11-11 02:53 PM   #77 
     - Abby... Someone?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:28 PM   #299 
  - I'm 45. And I don't use cursive.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 02:47 PM   #75 
  - I write in cursive. It's actually quicker than printing- you don't lift your hand from the paper as  KittyWampus   May-11-11 03:17 PM   #105 
     - Ergonomically you may be correct in a statistical averaged way.  MedicalAdmin   May-11-11 04:55 PM   #213 
  - Well...  Rebubula   May-11-11 03:40 PM   #144 
  - Is the normal way drawing alphabets with crayons? nt  bluestate10   May-11-11 04:12 PM   #180 
  - 52 here...write in cursive  kurtzapril4   May-11-11 08:34 PM   #283 
  - You must not know many people nt  rpannier   May-11-11 11:29 PM   #326 
  - I'm old fashioned, I suppose.  PDJane   May-11-11 02:02 PM   #13 
  - Well, sure, and why do we even need to learn how to spell?  juajen   May-11-11 02:03 PM   #14 
  - +1  theHandpuppet   May-11-11 02:05 PM   #21 
  - I agree. I see it as very creative, you can show your  Raine   May-11-11 02:37 PM   #62 
  - and back in my day, we even got a grade in penmanship:)  SoCalDem   May-11-11 03:37 PM   #136 
     - Or, in my case, a BAD grade in penmanship.  Codeine   May-11-11 05:28 PM   #241 
     - I am a south paw  ChazII   May-11-11 10:35 PM   #319 
        - My mother was a lefty & had beautiful handwriting.  CrispyQ   May-13-11 12:34 PM   #353 
     - I remember those days, including the boy who  Cleita   May-11-11 09:25 PM   #297 
     - And when inkwells got replaced with cartridges, they switched to going for distance n/t  eridani   May-12-11 02:16 AM   #331 
     - ooooo, pens  Confusious   May-11-11 10:08 PM   #310 
  - I still use it, but.....  DFW   May-11-11 02:03 PM   #15 
  - Point of fact: if you want to REMEMBER something  Samantha   May-11-11 02:04 PM   #19 
  - Not among people who understand the value of creating choices for themselves. (nt)  Heidi   May-11-11 02:04 PM   #20 
  - Absolutely and for good reason.  FLAprogressive   May-11-11 02:08 PM   #24 
  - that is not true  CountAllVotes   May-11-11 02:12 PM   #26 
     - Then people will train for that  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:19 PM   #35 
     - Just learning basic English would suit me  CountAllVotes   May-11-11 02:39 PM   #68 
     - Can you read this?  jberryhill   May-11-11 03:33 PM   #126 
     - only a very small percentage of people will ever need to read old records...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:45 PM   #201 
     - I'd much rather have people who are able to write coherent sentences than write in cursive.  FLAprogressive   May-11-11 06:43 PM   #261 
  - Ease and speed are not to be sneezed at....  Davis_X_Machina   May-11-11 02:13 PM   #27 
  - I graduated in 2006. By 6th grade, it was optional. nt  Modern_Matthew   May-11-11 02:14 PM   #29 
  - I don't get it...  pipi_k   May-11-11 02:14 PM   #30 
  - I recently acquired a stepdaughter.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:20 PM   #36 
  - You were floored to find that a kid does something kids do instinctively?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:23 PM   #41 
  - By that age they should be able to handle  Codeine   May-11-11 02:27 PM   #48 
  - It depends on the child. She'll develop past finger counting when she is ready, and it's  GreenPartyVoter   May-11-11 03:06 PM   #94 
  - I'm not sure that being "understanding and flexible" serves kids all that well.  Codeine   May-11-11 03:14 PM   #103 
     - But there's a difference between having high expectations and _too_ high expectations. I find that  GreenPartyVoter   May-11-11 03:40 PM   #142 
        - Thanks!  Codeine   May-11-11 03:41 PM   #148 
  - That would be one hand + two fingers right?  Confusious   May-11-11 10:10 PM   #311 
     - Hang on. . . one. . . two. . . yeah, that's right.  Codeine   May-11-11 10:45 PM   #322 
  - By 7, a child should have moved from the concrete to the abstract.  Skidmore   May-11-11 02:53 PM   #78 
     - Well, to be fair...  pipi_k   May-11-11 04:56 PM   #214 
        - Well, when you get a higher level math course  Confusious   May-11-11 10:12 PM   #312 
  - My daughter does supplemental teaching of the  Skidmore   May-11-11 02:33 PM   #59 
     - My plan exactly.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:37 PM   #63 
        - Just a note for you.  Skidmore   May-12-11 07:00 AM   #340 
  - You mistakenly think there is the same amount being taught  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:22 PM   #38 
  - Exactly. Human knowledge has expanded greatly.  ieoeja   May-11-11 02:36 PM   #61 
  - I know enough kids to know they aren't learning squat.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:39 PM   #67 
     - And 25 years ago when I graduated from high school  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 02:58 PM   #83 
        - It's been 40 years for me - my reunion is this weekend  proud2BlibKansan   May-11-11 06:07 PM   #252 
           - Well, yeah, the Bible was ditched in those 15 years.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 09:19 PM   #291 
           - Not to mention walking ten miles to school in the snow--  eridani   May-12-11 02:21 AM   #332 
  - I guess that using a spell check takes too long  CountAllVotes   May-11-11 02:43 PM   #71 
  - LOL, I bet you want us to get off your lawn, too.  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:05 PM   #92 
  - It's a matter of fact- many kids entering college can't produce an essay & can barely  KittyWampus   May-11-11 03:22 PM   #107 
  - Good lord, there are an increasingly larger number of 30-year-olds  haele   May-11-11 10:40 PM   #320 
  - Since the "down" of time . . .  Le Taz Hot   May-11-11 03:52 PM   #160 
     - Oh no, a typo on a message board! The HORROR!  Odin2005   May-11-11 09:15 PM   #287 
        - The word is "Irony," dear.  Le Taz Hot   May-12-11 08:57 AM   #350 
  - Computers/Texting has diminished child's capacity for sustained effort.  KittyWampus   May-11-11 03:20 PM   #106 
  - There are multiple reasons  JoeyT   May-12-11 01:36 AM   #330 
  - I use a mix of regular letters with cursive the majority of the time  tammywammy   May-11-11 02:16 PM   #31 
  - Thank You. I posted the very same. Cursive is basically faster as you don't lift  KittyWampus   May-11-11 03:23 PM   #109 
  - I rarely use all block letters  tammywammy   May-11-11 03:33 PM   #125 
  - How strange. I find printing to be faster.  mwb970   May-12-11 07:13 AM   #344 
  - Another step in dumbing down the populace.  RC   May-11-11 02:16 PM   #32 
  - I'll bet the same "sky is falling" statements happened  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:25 PM   #45 
  - Instead of teaching kids to type at 70-100 wpm on a computer  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 02:59 PM   #85 
     - No. But cursive writing forces children to develop useful skills that  bluestate10   May-11-11 04:34 PM   #192 
     - I know of no studies that show  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 09:18 PM   #289 
     - Those skills would be developed far more comprehensively in an art class, IMO n/t  eridani   May-12-11 02:23 AM   #333 
     - Teaching them that they can't do SHIT in life without a consumer device is dumbing down.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:25 PM   #237 
        - I fully agree.  RC   May-11-11 07:49 PM   #277 
           - Yet even the things they're writing by hand will most likely have to be typed up after a few drafts.  themadstork   May-14-11 11:40 AM   #360 
  - How many skills and bits of knowledge are we going to throw away?  Codeine   May-11-11 02:17 PM   #33 
  - +1 !!!  tammywammy   May-11-11 02:20 PM   #37 
  - We really need to bring back  kurtzapril4   May-11-11 09:15 PM   #288 
  - Didn't you claim earlier you weren't denigrating people?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:40 PM   #69 
  - I'm not.  Codeine   May-11-11 02:43 PM   #72 
  - Well, as long as we don't say "gay" or mention sex, we'll be fine /nt  jberryhill   May-11-11 03:35 PM   #129 
  - Algebra isn't 6th grade knowledge  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 04:26 PM   #186 
  - Sitting on the toliet  Confusious   May-11-11 10:14 PM   #315 
  - Ive heard potty training can be very traumatizing.  Codeine   May-11-11 10:52 PM   #323 
  - Are you equating a knowledge of algebra with writing that connects the letters?  mwb970   May-12-11 06:55 AM   #338 
  - Where do you stand on this, Straight Story? Is long division obsolete? Are blackboards obsolete?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 02:22 PM   #40 
  - I just learned, my old high school has replaced all blackboards & projectors w/ giant touch screens.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 02:25 PM   #46 
  - It's okay. The Chinese will build our machines for us.  aquart   May-11-11 02:27 PM   #49 
  - Heh heh. But you forgot, pretty soon only machines can build other machines.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 02:29 PM   #53 
  - Why would people with finely tuned brains work 23/6 for pennies a day?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:36 PM   #60 
     - Finely tuned brains like yours and other Americans?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:24 PM   #111 
     - Because there are billions of them and only millions of jobs.  aquart   May-11-11 05:39 PM   #243 
  - My Stand: Leave it up to the individual school districts/PTA/Parents to decide  The Straight Story   May-11-11 02:58 PM   #84 
  - You can't make a basic skill an elective. Why am I not surprised folks get all their news from tube  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:26 PM   #112 
  - Blackboards are long gone.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:01 PM   #88 
     - Why am I not surprised that this is coming from DU technocrats? Also, white boards are a menace  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:24 PM   #110 
        - Well, let's go point by point.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:28 PM   #115 
           - And so Google promotes the death of single authorship.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:31 PM   #122 
              - Don't share it and work with someone on it if you don't want to.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:34 PM   #127 
                 - I didn't say it was stupid, I said that cloud computing is teaching kids to be at home with  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:41 PM   #149 
                    - Booga, booga, booga. n/t  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:43 PM   #151 
                    - Wow, that's an intellectual response.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:47 PM   #153 
                    - I'm certainly a worse person for having learned how a bill becomes a law via Saturday morning cartoo  LanternWaste   May-11-11 04:22 PM   #183 
                       - Would you prefer Public TV be brought to you by Google, Verizon, or Lockheed Martin?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:32 PM   #191 
                          - I imagine many people think it's either one or the other...  LanternWaste   May-11-11 05:49 PM   #248 
  - This is tragic. Studies show that brain function improves with cursive writing  Duer 157099   May-11-11 02:24 PM   #43 
  - There is no need to learn a foreign language when everyone will speak English on the wired future.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 02:27 PM   #50 
  - I see no reason why a self-respecting person who is not a Christian  Confusious   May-11-11 10:21 PM   #316 
  - Is it cursive alone or just writing?  MattBaggins   May-11-11 02:38 PM   #65 
     - It has to do with the flow of the letter  Duer 157099   May-11-11 02:46 PM   #74 
     - I take it you didn't learn cursive since you're bitching about a basic skill.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:27 PM   #113 
        - Take what you will  MattBaggins   May-11-11 08:55 PM   #284 
  - That's a shame cursive is much faster than have to print  Raine   May-11-11 02:29 PM   #52 
  - The irony is I find this repulsive, yet I almost always write in print. It takes me longer but  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 02:30 PM   #55 
  - There is also an association between cursive writing and reading speed  Duer 157099   May-11-11 02:38 PM   #64 
     - Is it a correlation or causation.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:29 PM   #116 
     - There are always exceptions, always  Duer 157099   May-11-11 04:05 PM   #175 
        - Early reader here--not at all learning disabled. I could read long before I could print--  eridani   May-12-11 02:30 AM   #334 
     - Kids today celebrate the demise of paper and pen. They speak & think in chatspeak, aka newspeak  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:29 PM   #117 
     - This is  road2000   May-11-11 09:13 PM   #286 
  - I've got the motor skills to work on cars and computers...  hunter   May-11-11 02:31 PM   #57 
  - I am the same way. But it's impt to write long form. I learned to do Sumi-E in art class as a kid  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:51 PM   #158 
     - More to the point-Most young DUers would not lament the death of art class either. Who needs Sumi-e?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:51 PM   #159 
  - It seems like schools in general spend less time actually teaching  guardian   May-11-11 02:46 PM   #73 
  - Pure, ignorant, outdated, benighted bullshit.  montanto   May-11-11 02:56 PM   #80 
     - Touch a nerve?  guardian   May-11-11 03:01 PM   #87 
     - That's all great if the world stopped having history in 1955.  kick-ass-bob   May-11-11 03:10 PM   #100 
     - And more complicated math requires using a blackboard to fully comprehend.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:39 PM   #140 
     - One thing I thought of as I read your post....  pipi_k   May-11-11 05:27 PM   #240 
     - Indeed. I'm jealous of the ASL option that kids in my district have now n/t  eridani   May-12-11 02:34 AM   #335 
     - I'm sure he could write code just as quickly too...  LanternWaste   May-11-11 04:24 PM   #185 
        - Funny, I seem to be able to write in code faster than some of the folks I run up against  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:36 PM   #193 
           - Well of course you could...  LanternWaste   May-11-11 05:44 PM   #246 
              - Well, since coding and cursive have little to do with one another... there u go.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 10:04 PM   #308 
     - "Yet another 1955er with "the way things were in good ole days." Translation: Grew up in Bush era  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:40 PM   #145 
  - Not for me, almost all the handwriting  Riftaxe   May-11-11 02:52 PM   #76 
  - Cursive Writing  49jim   May-11-11 02:54 PM   #79 
  - For some reason, kids in the 1950s all learned cursive in the third grade  Lydia Leftcoast   May-11-11 02:57 PM   #81 
  - Not learning hand division and multiplication is not learning basic mathematics.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:35 PM   #128 
     - I hated learning arithmetic, but I use it nearly every day  Lydia Leftcoast   May-11-11 07:42 PM   #272 
  - I'm pretentious enough to write in cursive.  Lucian   May-11-11 02:59 PM   #86 
  - You god damned kids and your fancy telegraphs.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 03:02 PM   #89 
  - Kids should be taught to type/10 key, not write in cursive.  Bennyboy   May-11-11 03:03 PM   #90 
  - Because 6 weeks of 20 minutes a day when you're 8  kick-ass-bob   May-11-11 03:06 PM   #93 
  - They can learn both.  Codeine   May-11-11 03:08 PM   #98 
  - Funny but I am the ONLY male I know that can type...  Bennyboy   May-11-11 03:36 PM   #133 
     - Somebody was using all those typewriters. nt  Codeine   May-11-11 03:38 PM   #138 
  - I learned both in elementary school. I'm 30 n/t  tammywammy   May-11-11 03:29 PM   # 
  - Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to learn both, is that your argument?  WinkyDink   May-11-11 03:29 PM   #118 
  - No, cursive has no purpose...  Bennyboy   May-11-11 03:38 PM   #139 
  - Agree. Times have changed and keyboarding is a necessity. n/t  kiranon   May-11-11 11:04 PM   #324 
  - I learned it, but I have never used it, manuscript style ("printing") is more legible.  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:06 PM   #95 
  - never? You wasted time on school exams by printing?  WinkyDink   May-11-11 03:30 PM   #120 
     - My printing is faster for me than cursive because I have awful eye-hand coordination.  Odin2005   May-11-11 03:37 PM   #135 
     - I spent many years doing and coaching college policy debate  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 09:23 PM   #294 
  - it's a right-brained activity...  IcyPeas   May-11-11 03:10 PM   #99 
  - that's how I see it  marions ghost   May-11-11 04:49 PM   #206 
  - American education is designed to suppress right-brained activity.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:19 PM   #232 
  - I always post here in cursive writing.  bikebloke   May-11-11 03:13 PM   #102 
  - Instructions for Posting in Cursive on DU -- your post inspired me.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:27 PM   #239 
  - Kids don't write; they don't read. But printing like a first-grader? That they can do.  WinkyDink   May-11-11 03:27 PM   #114 
  - Who needs cursive to write in chat-speak? And I say that as a Gen-Xer  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:33 PM   #124 
  - Some folks take the "everything I need to know I learned in kindergarten" line  Codeine   May-11-11 03:36 PM   #134 
  - Stop teaching it ... it is DEAD.  JoePhilly   May-11-11 03:31 PM   #121 
  - And why do you think it is dead? How do you go about writing things quickly on paper?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:33 PM   #123 
  - Electronic devices make things work faster.  Hissyspit   May-11-11 03:48 PM   #154 
  - So you believe people should not be able to write long-form on paper AT ALL.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:56 PM   #164 
     - Ok, now this if HILARIOUS!!!  JoePhilly   May-11-11 04:16 PM   #182 
     - Yeah, nobody NEEDS to do ANYTHING different. You have the choice... if you want to be shunned  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:38 PM   #194 
     - I use a combination of  Control-Z   May-11-11 05:17 PM   #227 
  - Personally, I PRINT way faster, and far more legibly.  JoePhilly   May-11-11 04:01 PM   #169 
     - Kids who can't write cursive can't read cursive... nuff said.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:07 PM   # 
     - Two more assertions, both wrong.  JoePhilly   May-11-11 04:23 PM   #184 
        - Oh, I see, you think that kids should / will only read printed text in THA FUTCHA!  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:42 PM   #199 
           - Just to add, in THA FUTCHA we will all wear identical clothes and shop at identical stores  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:44 PM   #200 
           - A few simple questions.  JoePhilly   May-12-11 07:19 AM   #345 
     - I'm guessing BETA.  Goblinmonger   May-11-11 09:25 PM   #296 
  - Do you really use cursive on your signature?  Quantess   May-11-11 03:58 PM   #167 
  - Ding Ding Ding ...  JoePhilly   May-11-11 04:05 PM   #176 
  - Latin was considered a "dead language"  road2000   May-11-11 09:23 PM   #293 
  - I prefer not to.  rug   May-11-11 03:35 PM   #130 
  - Cursive writing is obsolete.  Quantess   May-11-11 03:36 PM   #132 
  - Again I ask: How do YOU write?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 03:43 PM   #152 
     - That's the first time you asked me, actually.  Quantess   May-11-11 03:50 PM   #156 
        - Fair enough. As mentioned above, I'm a bit of a hypocrite on this issue.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:00 PM   #168 
           - In my opinion, legibility is most important.  Quantess   May-11-11 04:07 PM   #178 
              - I think the latin alphabet needs to be reformed anyway. We need an easy-to-write alphabet  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:29 PM   #189 
              - The rote practice nowadays is a waste of time. If they need rote, make them learn state capitals...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:54 PM   #212 
                 - Since when is "rote learning" bad? That sort of thinking got us into this mess.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:01 PM   #219 
                    - Please read that in context of the subject at hand....  yawnmaster   May-11-11 06:23 PM   #256 
  - I have an opinion, but "Ow! My Balls!" is coming on and I don't want to miss it! nt  Buns_of_Fire   May-11-11 03:38 PM   #137 
  - That pretty much sums this thread up, sir. nt  Codeine   May-11-11 03:40 PM   #143 
  - Epic Response  Rebubula   May-11-11 03:49 PM   #155 
  - We could replace cursive instruction classes with classes in logic?  Hissyspit   May-11-11 03:50 PM   #157 
     - YES! now that would NOT be a waste of time. eom  yawnmaster   May-11-11 06:24 PM   #257 
  - I guess it's time for this debate again, and time for people here to tell us  NYC Liberal   May-11-11 03:53 PM   #161 
  - I'll add to that.  Quantess   May-11-11 04:04 PM   #172 
  - +1  FLAprogressive   May-11-11 06:35 PM   #260 
  - I never use it other than my signature and have never been fond  TheKentuckian   May-11-11 03:53 PM   #162 
  - I use it frequently (notes, shopping lists) but my kids NEVER do.  Arugula Latte   May-11-11 03:57 PM   #165 
  - Do they write ANYTHING down on paper?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:23 PM   #235 
     - Well, when they write, they print.  Arugula Latte   May-11-11 05:33 PM   #242 
  - Of course we should stop teaching cursive!  last_texas_dem   May-11-11 03:58 PM   #166 
  - Is this why, when I hand people stuff written on paper, they say "I can't read this?"  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:04 PM   #173 
  - You can say the same for algebra  Courtesy Flush   May-11-11 04:15 PM   #181 
  - more need algebra than cursive in modern times...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:50 PM   #208 
     - But science is going out of fashion  Courtesy Flush   May-11-11 05:44 PM   #245 
        - Thats a bit of hyperbole as science even if out of fashion is still a valid technique...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 06:03 PM   #251 
           - Dude, you take yourself too seriously. nt  Courtesy Flush   May-11-11 07:05 PM   #263 
              - define "too" eom  yawnmaster   May-12-11 10:09 AM   #351 
  - I still write and receive letters in cursive.  LanternWaste   May-11-11 04:28 PM   #187 
  - What are these l e t -t e r s you speak of?  geardaddy   May-11-11 05:15 PM   #224 
  - If they don't know how to write cursive, how will they be able to read it?  jsamuel   May-11-11 04:28 PM   #188 
  - That's my concern as well.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:47 PM   #203 
  - little need anymore for that. Plus its easier to read cursive than to write it...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:48 PM   #205 
     - "Anymore"? What, because you only read stuff on computer?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:50 PM   #207 
        - no I do not read only from a computer...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 05:03 PM   #220 
           - Well they should be taught to write some reports on paper  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:17 PM   #228 
  - how about Wedding Invitations ?  JI7   May-11-11 04:31 PM   #190 
  - What font should we learn to write?  yawnmaster   May-11-11 04:46 PM   #202 
     - Because "modern time" is so goddamn valuable and well-informed.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:51 PM   #209 
        - unconnected to the issue. In modern times (recently, now, and in the near future), cursive is...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 05:00 PM   #218 
           - Because...? Because you feel writing on paper is obsolete? Or because everyone should write the same  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:15 PM   #223 
           - What are the objective, relevant and precise reasons that one form of handwriting (cursive) is out o  LanternWaste   May-11-11 05:42 PM   #244 
              - objective, relevant and precise? I'll have to get back to you once I get the grant...  yawnmaster   May-11-11 06:18 PM   #255 
  - I hope not...  kentuck   May-11-11 04:40 PM   #197 
  - Handwriting period is becoming obsolete.  phleshdef   May-11-11 04:42 PM   #198 
  - So in this thread I've learned that books, handwriting, etc. are all obsolete thx to human evolution  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:52 PM   #210 
  - The invention of paper and ink made previous ways of doing the same thing obsolete as well.  phleshdef   May-11-11 05:15 PM   #225 
     - You're the one advocating that we need handhelds to perform even the most basic tasks such as read+w  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:22 PM   #292 
        - Bullshit. I never advocated that we "need" anything one way or the other.  phleshdef   May-12-11 08:47 AM   #349 
  - I wouldn't count on that  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 04:57 PM   #215 
     - What I was taught as a kid is that in 40 years we would all do everything, speak learn etc.on our TV  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:00 PM   #217 
     - They aren't trying to make it happen. Its already happening and its not because of the telecoms.  phleshdef   May-11-11 05:19 PM   #231 
     - They were also saying that type writers would be replaced by computers.  phleshdef   May-11-11 05:16 PM   #226 
        - No, I said that technology changes in ways we CAN and CAN'T predict  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 05:25 PM   #236 
  - here's how to do the capital Q  Enrique   May-11-11 04:47 PM   #204 
  - I think as a practical skill it has limited utility, but it may have other benefits  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 04:54 PM   #211 
  - It is a major part of it. You can't exempt stuff like this and say "oh, but that's ok"  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 04:58 PM   #216 
     - Do you have any evidence to suggest it's a major part of it?  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 05:06 PM   #221 
        - Someone upthread mentioned they don't read DU in cursive. Try it, it's a good exercise.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:14 PM   #222 
           - If schools want to offer handcrafting furniture or cursive for that matter, I'm fine with it  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 05:18 PM   #230 
              - It is a vital skill to learn how to read cursive.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 05:21 PM   #233 
                 - Reading this site isn't a vital life skill, let alone reading it in cursive  Hippo_Tron   May-11-11 05:26 PM   #238 
                    - One doesn't need to learn how to do so. nt  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:16 PM   #265 
  - Less usage? Yes. Obsolete? No.  road2000   May-11-11 05:18 PM   #229 
  - Warning! The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:14 PM   #264 
  - I never understood the point of it - makes reading too difficult  TorchTheWitch   May-11-11 05:23 PM   #234 
  - Apparently, you apply the same standard to spelling. n/t  road2000   May-11-11 09:28 PM   #298 
  - Big band music is obsolete. Music departments should stop teaching it  LanternWaste   May-11-11 05:47 PM   #247 
  - Music Departments? Lit Departments? What era are you living in? :-)  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:18 PM   #266 
  - Nope, and if anything kids should spend more time in school learning more things  jp11   May-11-11 05:51 PM   #249 
  - yes.  CreekDog   May-11-11 05:52 PM   #250 
  - I teach cursive writing to third graders  senseandsensibility   May-11-11 06:11 PM   #253 
  - The common rejoinder in this thread: 'to succeed'.  Shandris   May-11-11 06:35 PM   #259 
  - This is my favorite post.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 10:00 PM   #306 
  - Only for slack-jawed nitwits.  Throd   May-11-11 06:49 PM   #262 
  - While you were learning how to SPELL YOUR NAME I was being TRAINED to CONQUER GALAXIES!  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:22 PM   #268 
  - Best response in this whole thread. nt  Codeine   May-11-11 07:24 PM   #270 
  - Not as long as a good medium nib pen on paper feels as good as it does.  patrice   May-11-11 07:19 PM   #267 
  - Heck no, it's distinctive, elegant, and fast.  Owl   May-11-11 07:23 PM   #269 
  - As a protest against this, we should all start posting in Edwardian Script.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:36 PM   #271 
     - Curses! I can set my browser to display in Edwardian Script ITC, but the font size is too small!  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 07:51 PM   #278 
  - I generally use a blend of cursive and print  fishwax   May-11-11 07:44 PM   #274 
  - When I was in 5th grade there was a penmanship contest & a girl in my class  CrispyQ   May-11-11 07:52 PM   #279 
  - It never really caught on with me. My cursive script is the  BobTheSubgenius   May-11-11 08:04 PM   #281 
  - Cursive writing has no utilility.  Zanzoobar   May-11-11 08:19 PM   #282 
  - By what?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:37 PM   #300 
     - By what, what?  Zanzoobar   May-11-11 09:53 PM   #303 
        - It has been replaced by what?  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:57 PM   #305 
           - Oh.  Zanzoobar   May-11-11 10:01 PM   #307 
  - Sort of wild to live through an era where something that has been common for centuries  salin   May-11-11 09:06 PM   #285 
  - I would call it depressing that we are living through both a Geological Extinction Event...  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 09:18 PM   #290 
  - I have a hard time reading my step kids handwriting but they sure can text fast.  Kaleva   May-11-11 09:46 PM   #301 
  - Somehow, all that cursive stuff and other subjects were fit in our....  pinniped   May-11-11 09:54 PM   #304 
  - I type everything.  white_wolf   May-11-11 10:13 PM   #313 
  - Your English professors, sound pretty closed minded. But thanx for the anecdote  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 10:14 PM   #314 
     - That sames like a bad attitude for a professor of history to take.  white_wolf   May-11-11 10:25 PM   #318 
        - Yeah, that's what I thought.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 11:21 PM   #325 
  - I rarely ever print. All cursive, all the time. I LIKE it.  Lucinda   May-11-11 10:25 PM   #317 
  - Reminds me of that old Microsoft joke.  Bonobo   May-11-11 10:44 PM   #321 
  - Oh, man, I am fighting the urge to make a "One Ring" joke.  Leopolds Ghost   May-11-11 11:33 PM   #327 
  - this should not become illegible  tiny elvis   May-11-11 11:43 PM   #328 
  - hand eye coordination, spatial reasoning, interpretation, artistic expression...  NuttyFluffers   May-12-11 12:48 AM   #329 
  - I had it from grades 1-6  Blue_Tires   May-12-11 06:42 AM   #336 
  - I rarely write in cursive myself and I lean toward the "obsolete" camp.  octothorpe   May-12-11 07:28 AM   #346 
  - How else would we write handwritten thank you notes?  aikoaiko   May-12-11 08:41 AM   #348 
  - my husband prints only because  MrsBrady   May-14-11 09:55 AM   #355 
  - BREAKING: Kids These Days Not Alright, Still On My Lawn (nt)  Posteritatis   May-14-11 10:27 AM   #356 
  - When you ask for a signature and you see block letters  thelordofhell   May-14-11 11:30 AM   #357 
  - When you ask for a signature and you see block letters  thelordofhell   May-14-11 11:30 AM   #358 
  - I write in cursive all the time.  themadstork   May-14-11 11:37 AM   #359 
 

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