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23. Chose Obama but
What my actual vote is 'I will not be voting for the Republican candidate'. If a viable truly progressive candidate (yes I know how can we really know they are a 'true' progressive?) presents themselves I would be hard pressed to vote for Obama unless he shows some backbone and at least works with the left. The one thing I don't get about Obama is he ran on a platform of change. Change from what? I would think change from what the Republicans had been doing to this country for 8 years. If that's the kind of change we voted for then wouldn't it have made more sense for Obama, if you see him as a centrist, to work with the left rather than try to compromise with the people that had already screwed us for 8 years. To answer my own question, I think Obama thought the 'change' we wanted was to a 'kinder gentler Washington' meaning less partisan bickering and more cooperation in dealing with this countries problems. Though I think most of us would like to see that come about I also think most of us realize with the current state of the Republican party it is not going to happen any time soon. I for one voted for Obama because I thought he would pull back dramatically from the right-wing direction the country had taken. Instead he wants to make baby steps and not rock the boat too much and even worse actually placate the right in almost everything he does. I think one thing Obama could do, and yes it would be somewhat for show, is to pick 2 or 3 strong progressive positions, ending DADT even if by some kind of Presidential action, and fight for them to the bitter end win, lose or draw I think he would at least get us liberals and progressive to reconsider our objections to his other compromises. Unfortunately I don't see it happening but again I will never vote for another Republican in my lifetime.
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  -For whom will you vote in the 2012 presidential election: Obama or the Republican Nominee jefferson_dem  Dec-03-10 11:23 AM   #0 
  - I may not vote at all. Fuck it.  COLGATE4   Dec-03-10 11:31 AM   #1 
  - Sorry to hear that.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 11:31 AM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 12:57 PM   #47 
  - Don't vote--don't bitch.  Creative   Dec-03-10 05:50 PM   #96 
  - I may be with you...  golfguru   Dec-04-10 07:36 PM   #139 
  - False choice.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Dec-03-10 11:32 AM   #3 
  - Yes, I know.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 11:35 AM   #7 
  - By your methods, you better add Bloomberg. He polled ............  Exilednight   Dec-04-10 06:23 AM   #112 
  - It Sure Is  Dinger   Dec-03-10 12:38 PM   #44 
  - Obama is the guaranteed nominee.  Aramchek   Dec-03-10 12:59 PM   #48 
  - +1  swilton   Dec-04-10 02:02 PM   #126 
  - There will be other options available to us.  obxhead   Dec-03-10 11:33 AM   #4 
  - Ah so the I'm not voting for Obama and will vote 3rd party of write in  jaxx   Dec-03-10 11:36 AM   #8 
     - I'm really not interested in entertaining the "i'm voting third party" spoilers...  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 11:37 AM   #10 
     - Some people never learn, they just gripe.  jaxx   Dec-03-10 11:44 AM   #17 
     - Agreed. Since several hundred people co-signed to a post saying  CakeGrrl   Dec-03-10 11:39 AM   #11 
        - +1000000000000  MH1   Dec-04-10 08:02 AM   #116 
  - I'm think I will sign my ballot and let  Autumn   Dec-03-10 11:34 AM   #5 
  - Neither.  VMI Dem   Dec-03-10 11:35 AM   #6 
  - I'll vote Obama, I'm a Democrat.  jaxx   Dec-03-10 11:36 AM   #9 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-03-10 11:40 AM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 12:08 PM   #26 
     - Your sickening Nazi reference just got deleted...  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 12:13 PM   #31 
     - I could never figure out why people used the nazi bit to make their point.  jaxx   Dec-03-10 12:25 PM   #35 
     - Such a stupid comment  DFab420   Dec-03-10 01:55 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 11:40 AM   #12 
  - I would vote for Obama with very little hope that he would help us  ladjf   Dec-03-10 11:40 AM   #13 
  - What a stupid and worthless poll......  KansasVoter   Dec-03-10 11:43 AM   #15 
  - I will vote for Obama, regardless of how disillusioned I may be  Bettie   Dec-03-10 11:43 AM   #16 
  - Amen, Bettie! nt  tweeternik   Dec-03-10 12:12 PM   #30 
  - Awesome post Bettie...  tallahasseedem   Dec-04-10 01:05 PM   #121 
  - Obama is winning, but turnout is low  BeyondGeography   Dec-03-10 11:46 AM   #18 
  - This question is obvious. Does that mean he should not be criticized?  Mass   Dec-03-10 11:47 AM   #19 
  - Criticism outside the bounds of reason are a waste of time.  Clio the Leo   Dec-03-10 11:55 AM   #22 
  - Outside of the bounds of reason can vary depending of the person.  Mass   Dec-03-10 11:58 AM   #24 
     - Enabling Republicans in the general election is outside the bounds of reason for people who claim to  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:31 PM   #56 
  - No way!  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 12:10 PM   #28 
  - If the tax cuts for the wealthy are extended, hopefully there will be  truckin   Dec-03-10 11:51 AM   #20 
  - Do you expect one to materialize out of thin air?  Clio the Leo   Dec-03-10 11:54 AM   #21 
  - Chose Obama but  droidamus2   Dec-03-10 11:57 AM   #23 
  - Points well taken.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 12:05 PM   #25 
  - The Democrat - whoever he or she may be. n/t  Tatiana   Dec-03-10 12:10 PM   #27 
  - Other.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-03-10 12:11 PM   #29 
  - At present, there are no "other" viable options.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 12:13 PM   #32 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-03-10 12:33 PM   #40 
     - Still not voting for Obama or whatever wacko the GOP puts up.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-03-10 01:54 PM   #51 
  - I will do what I did in the last Presidential election.  William769   Dec-03-10 12:18 PM   #33 
  - Oh, so you really didn't vote.  young but wise   Dec-03-10 12:22 PM   #34 
  - I voted. Thats the good thing about our system.  William769   Dec-03-10 12:29 PM   #37 
     - The bad thing about our system is that it lets easily manipulated people think they're voting when  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:32 PM   #57 
        - No matter how you try to make a play on words.  William769   Dec-03-10 02:43 PM   #62 
           - Of course you can enable Republicans as much as you please.  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:49 PM   #66 
              - Thanks for trying to use a meme that does't fly it's getting really old.  William769   Dec-03-10 02:52 PM   #68 
                 - It's not really a meme. If you have a choice of the R-D margin being X or X-1, and you choose X,  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:53 PM   #69 
                 - So the republicans who vote libertarian are enabling democrats?  Milo_Bloom   Dec-03-10 04:07 PM   #86 
                    - Absolutely. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 10:45 PM   #103 
                       - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-04-10 12:00 AM   #104 
                       - There are other reasons to vote 3rd party.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-10 06:01 PM   #132 
                 - Writing in candidates names is generally dumb, but exponentially more so in a Presidential contest  stevenleser   Dec-04-10 04:58 PM   #127 
  - You mean a Democrat didn't vote for the Democratic nominee?  jaxx   Dec-03-10 12:28 PM   #36 
  - WOW!  William769   Dec-03-10 12:31 PM   #38 
  - Well seeing how this is the Democratic Underground and all.......  jaxx   Dec-03-10 12:34 PM   #42 
     - As if you would care, the person I voted for was a Democrat.  William769   Dec-03-10 12:37 PM   #43 
     - If he was the Democratic nominee his name would have been  jaxx   Dec-03-10 12:49 PM   #46 
        - Appearently you need a civics lesson on how we vote in America.  William769   Dec-03-10 02:24 PM   #55 
           - Says the person who doesn't actually understand why we have elections.  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:34 PM   #58 
              - If you don't like how I voted then change the laws for voting.  William769   Dec-03-10 02:38 PM   #60 
                 - Oh the laws are luckily moving in the right direction. Starting in 2012, the only people on  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:43 PM   #61 
                    - You show a remarkable lack of understanding of prop 14.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-04-10 01:20 AM   #108 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-03-10 12:43 PM   #45 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-03-10 12:34 PM   #41 
  - Hey William!  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 03:05 PM   #77 
     - Thanks. Good to see you too.  William769   Dec-03-10 03:11 PM   #78 
  - You don't know that voters will have only two viable options...  polichick   Dec-03-10 12:31 PM   #39 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-03-10 01:02 PM   #49 
  - I will vote for the Democratic candidate.  Vinca   Dec-03-10 01:52 PM   #50 
  - At least One Person should have a tombstone on their way  MadBadger   Dec-03-10 01:56 PM   #53 
  - I won't check the box next to Obama's name ...  JustABozoOnThisBus   Dec-03-10 02:05 PM   #54 
  - What's the difference between checking "Palin/Beck" and enabling Palin/Beck by not checking the D?  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:35 PM   #59 
     - Theres that meme again.  William769   Dec-03-10 03:13 PM   #79 
        - Sometimes the truth hurts.  stevenleser   Dec-04-10 05:02 PM   #128 
  - I don't vote for Republicans or Republican abettors. That may preclude voting.  rug   Dec-03-10 02:45 PM   #63 
  - Not voting Democratic by definition makes one a Republican abettor.  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 02:52 PM   #67 
  - Edited.  William769   Dec-03-10 03:14 PM   #80 
  - Not sure, though if you think something you say is going to get me to stop posting the truth  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 03:15 PM   #81 
  - I'm more interested in abetting repubblicans while in office.  rug   Dec-03-10 04:59 PM   #90 
  - We may just get a repeal of DADT in the next few weeks, thanks to Obama and the Dem Congress.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 03:04 PM   #76 
     - Get back to me on January 3rd.  rug   Dec-03-10 05:01 PM   #91 
  - I will be voting for Obama and talking about it in a loud voice. Proud Obama voter.  Pisces   Dec-03-10 02:45 PM   #64 
  - +100  JoePhilly   Dec-03-10 03:01 PM   #72 
  - Boo-yah!  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 03:03 PM   #75 
  - +100000!  Phx_Dem   Dec-04-10 08:09 AM   #118 
  - I'm voting for Mr. Obama as a loyal Democrat.  political_Dem   Dec-03-10 02:48 PM   #65 
  - Other:  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-03-10 02:57 PM   #70 
  - Then you will be sitting out every Presidential election for the rest fo your life.  JoePhilly   Dec-03-10 03:02 PM   #73 
  - +1.  BzaDem   Dec-03-10 03:16 PM   #83 
  - There are other candidates -  Hell Hath No Fury   Dec-03-10 04:38 PM   #87 
     - Name one.  JoePhilly   Dec-04-10 08:58 PM   #143 
  - Well, that won't be Obama...  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 03:02 PM   #74 
  - Ask me in 2012.  subterranean   Dec-03-10 02:59 PM   #71 
  - Depends...  saras   Dec-03-10 03:15 PM   #82 
  - Since when does "viable" mean anything?  last_texas_dem   Dec-03-10 03:20 PM   #84 
  - I will vote for the Democratic nominee. And if that turns out to be someone other than Obama, that's  totodeinhere   Dec-03-10 03:28 PM   #85 
  - I'm sorry but I really don't see the sense in this thread.  downeyr   Dec-03-10 04:46 PM   #88 
  - In terms of policy making, negotiation, etc, there may be areas of gray.  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 05:21 PM   #94 
  - I won't be voting Republican. Ever.  BlueIris   Dec-03-10 04:50 PM   #89 
  - No flames...  jefferson_dem   Dec-03-10 05:15 PM   #92 
  - Not sure why you see a difference between voting for a Republican and enabling a Republican victory.  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 07:05 AM   #114 
  - Right now  bigwillq   Dec-03-10 05:21 PM   #93 
  - nice push poll  Donnachaidh   Dec-03-10 05:26 PM   #95 
  - No kidding - you have to break DU rules to go with the other guy. nt  polichick   Dec-03-10 07:35 PM   #100 
  - That is not a push poll. I suggest you look up the meaning of the term. n/t  stevenleser   Dec-04-10 05:02 PM   #129 
  - Nader.  dorkulon   Dec-03-10 05:56 PM   #97 
  - I'm not too pleased with the choices.  Blue_In_AK   Dec-03-10 06:21 PM   #98 
  - This is DU  mstinamotorcity   Dec-03-10 07:15 PM   #99 
  - Ha! Epic poll. nt  ZombieHorde   Dec-03-10 07:57 PM   #101 
  - The lesser of two evils  louslobbs   Dec-03-10 08:40 PM   #102 
  - I will vote for the evil of two lessers...  Joe Bacon   Dec-04-10 12:32 AM   #105 
  - It is a false choice. Primary challenger could emerge. Third Party  beforeyoureyes   Dec-04-10 12:49 AM   #106 
  - They just enable the Republican victory. You may as well vote "Republican" in the poll. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 01:28 AM   #109 
  - crazy question  marlakay   Dec-04-10 01:06 AM   #107 
  - I'll vote for him, but volunteer? Hard to say.  jillan   Dec-04-10 02:03 AM   #110 
  - Presented with these options...  awoke_in_2003   Dec-04-10 02:06 AM   #111 
  - Good post.  jefferson_dem   Dec-04-10 06:28 AM   #113 
  - Neither.  Luciferous   Dec-04-10 07:55 AM   #115 
  - So I have to ask . . . why are the 5 Republican voters posting on DU?  Phx_Dem   Dec-04-10 08:08 AM   #117 
  - I'll vote Republican. I want the country to burn to the ground.  Sirveri   Dec-04-10 08:10 AM   #119 
  - Why don't you think that the country won't move even FURTHER right after your mythical "crash?"  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 05:05 PM   #131 
     - The last big crash was the great depression. So no.  Sirveri   Dec-04-10 09:39 PM   #147 
  - NEITHER!  ProudDad   Dec-04-10 12:47 PM   #120 
  - "There ARE usually other candidates on the ballot!"  jefferson_dem   Dec-04-10 06:15 PM   #134 
  - what a depressing choice  mitchtv   Dec-04-10 01:28 PM   #122 
  - If this keeps up, I'll be supporting, spending money on, and campaigning  ScreamingMeemie   Dec-04-10 01:45 PM   #123 
  - I'll vote for Obama in 2012, but unlikely I'll donate to his campaign unless  Hawaii Hiker   Dec-04-10 01:47 PM   #124 
  - Those are the only two choices?  Beacool   Dec-04-10 01:56 PM   #125 
  - Yes. Only two candidates in any Presidential election who might actually become President. n/t  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 05:04 PM   #130 
     - Well thank goodness we had this poll and needn't bother with an election season.  Union Scribe   Dec-04-10 06:08 PM   #133 
        - Election season is for picking between the two parties. Not for imagining a fantasy world in which  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 06:44 PM   #136 
           - Yes, we must accept and obey. See you in line.  Union Scribe   Dec-04-10 06:46 PM   #137 
              - You act as if the obvious truth somehow becomes not true just because you don't "accept it." n/t  BzaDem   Dec-04-10 07:13 PM   #138 
              - Please follow the corporate line and obey!  AndrewP   Dec-04-10 08:10 PM   #141 
  - other  libmom74   Dec-04-10 06:40 PM   #135 
  - In your poll  Caretha   Dec-04-10 07:55 PM   #140 
  - That'll show him!!!  JoePhilly   Dec-04-10 09:03 PM   #144 
  - None of the above  Raine   Dec-04-10 08:23 PM   #142 
  - I may not vote. n/t  Crunchy Frog   Dec-04-10 09:21 PM   #145 
  - There will be more than 2 bubbles I can fill  quakerboy   Dec-04-10 09:26 PM   #146 
  - .  Zenlitened   Dec-04-10 09:41 PM   #148 
 

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