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84. I'm still convince that Hillary would have gotten us right were we are
a lot faster.

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  -Would Hillary have been the better choice in retrospect ? TatonkaJames  Nov-29-10 03:13 PM   #0 
  - Sometimes I think so, and other times I don't.  GodlessBiker   Nov-29-10 03:14 PM   #1 
  - Hillary knew who her enemies were, and who were friends, and the strong character to act accordingly  northoftheborder   Nov-29-10 04:56 PM   #45 
  - All her friends are now working in the Obama administration. Don't kid yourself.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-29-10 04:59 PM   #48 
     - Jeebus, I do NOT understand people who don't understand this truth.  PassingFair   Dec-01-10 10:33 AM   #214 
  - The answer is no. If Rupert Murdoch likes her  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:01 PM   #220 
  - No. NT  NYCGirl   Nov-29-10 03:16 PM   #2 
  - +1  Bette Noir   Nov-29-10 11:53 PM   #126 
  - +1 n/t  MBS   Nov-30-10 03:47 PM   #190 
  - +1  quaker bill   Dec-01-10 05:54 AM   #212 
  - It would have been less surprising to some if Hillary was in his place and doing the same.  onehandle   Nov-29-10 03:17 PM   #3 
  - Many liberals are just as bad as the wingnuts for believing this hype that somehow  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-29-10 05:02 PM   #49 
  - HILLARY ROCKS  Moonbat2   Dec-01-10 04:14 AM   #211 
     - Moonbat2  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:06 PM   #221 
  - 3, 2, 1 ... until the obligatory (and well-deserved) "not rehashing the primary" lock.  11 Bravo   Nov-29-10 03:17 PM   # 
  - Hell YES!  NoPasaran   Nov-29-10 03:17 PM   #4 
  - +1  daa   Nov-29-10 03:26 PM   #9 
  - K&R X 1000!  COLGATE4   Nov-30-10 09:15 AM   #166 
  - Absolutely! nt  Raine   Dec-01-10 04:01 AM   #210 
  - I have no idea, but I'm not confident there would have been much difference.  jpgray   Nov-29-10 03:18 PM   #5 
  - Hillary, who voted for war, bankruptcy bill, ...  MannyGoldstein   Nov-29-10 03:18 PM   #6 
  - who proposed healthcare reform FAR to the left of Obama's...  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 04:28 PM   #36 
     - that S-Chip thing...  Whisp   Nov-29-10 05:06 PM   #51 
     - Factcheck.org says you're wrong.  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 05:22 PM   #54 
        - factcheck is also on the intertubes and you easily found it.  Whisp   Nov-29-10 05:35 PM   #57 
        - Wait, you are trying to dispute me by posting the EXACT article that factcheck said was lying?  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 05:54 PM   #60 
           - that doesn't say she was the big head of it all, does it?  Whisp   Nov-29-10 06:13 PM   #65 
           - It was surreal seeing her curriculum vitae unravel.  AtomicKitten   Nov-29-10 06:40 PM   #73 
           - I also laugh at pumas.  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 07:04 PM   #80 
           - Hillary is to the right of Obama  Whisp   Nov-29-10 07:22 PM   #83 
           - The world has had enough of that kind of toughness  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 09:03 PM   #98 
           - Hillary is to the right of Obama... aside from health care,  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:26 PM   #104 
           - Hillary moved NO significant liberal legislation as a Senator  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:49 PM   #93 
           - "First Ladies do not move legislation."  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:28 PM   #105 
              - Only in the sense that Lady GaGa does with Don't ask, don't tell  karynnj   Nov-30-10 08:09 AM   #151 
           - As Sec. of State, I am not proud of the job that Hillary is doing.  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:14 PM   #222 
           - To me, the truely galling thing was that Begala and Carville  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:47 PM   #92 
           - They treated Obama the same way. Even worse. I mean, who needs Faux News when you  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:56 AM   #147 
              - I would say it was about equal  karynnj   Nov-30-10 08:37 AM   #160 
                 - I look at Obama and sometimes see John Kerry as far as their level of intellect  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 09:16 AM   #167 
                 - I quite agree - and woul add integrity and character  karynnj   Nov-30-10 09:17 PM   #205 
                 - karynnj  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:24 PM   #223 
           - Yeah, just like she ran on her husband's record. As a feminist myself, it was insulting to me! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:53 AM   #146 
           - The Boston Globe did not lie - they quoted Senator Kennedy  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:44 PM   #91 
              - No, they didn't quote him.  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:30 PM   #106 
        - Fact check is wrong  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:37 PM   #90 
           - The NYT article -- the one YOU posted --  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:12 PM   #99 
              - The ad campaign was in support of the legislation - not before it was written  karynnj   Nov-30-10 07:46 AM   #145 
                 - karynnj  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:31 PM   #224 
     - Her health care plan was a disaster! There were good ideas, but a disaster  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-29-10 05:07 PM   #52 
     - No, the Obama administration didn't pass S-CHiP.  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 05:19 PM   #53 
     - You do realize that you are the one speaking the most of the IWR  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:50 PM   #94 
     - Yes; and?  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:16 PM   #100 
        - What lies?  karynnj   Nov-30-10 08:06 AM   #149 
     - Uhh...the Obama administration *didn't* reauthorize/sign S-CHIP?  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:13 AM   #137 
     - Terribly sorry, but unless Obama was president in 1997  Very_Boring_Name   Nov-29-10 06:21 PM   #68 
        - ..and extended by the Obama administration. Reading comprehension is key!  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:13 AM   #138 
           - Had you said "extended these measures" we wouldn't be having this conversation  Very_Boring_Name   Nov-30-10 07:18 AM   #140 
              - No!! You need to read. I said that Obama passed the legislation, which is still wrong.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:23 AM   #141 
     - Ted Kennedy created the SCHIP program - Hillary's contribution was to lobby Bill  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:14 PM   #88 
        - The list was not of accomplishments --  ThatPoetGuy   Nov-29-10 09:36 PM   #108 
           - Her list of stances almost nearly matched those of Obama. And that's the point I was trying to make.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 07:16 AM   #139 
           - Obama's record was scored as more liberal than Hillary's  karynnj   Nov-30-10 09:00 AM   #164 
  - I don't really see much difference between the two. The only thing is that she would have had  Guy Whitey Corngood   Nov-29-10 03:19 PM   #7 
  - They Would Just Be Sexist Right Wing Douchebags  Yavin4   Nov-29-10 03:45 PM   #16 
  - I remember an interview in the '08 dem primaries  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:35 PM   # 
  - The reason I didn't want her for president is because she is DLC and  movonne   Nov-29-10 03:22 PM   #8 
  - HELL NO!! Hillary is DLC all the way she's to the right of Obama  bigdarryl   Nov-29-10 03:28 PM   #10 
  - Ummm....Obama is also a self declared DLC 'New Dem'. Neither one is worth a plug-nickel in my book.  NorthCarolina   Nov-30-10 09:38 AM   #171 
  - Retrospect is for losers.  jobycom   Nov-29-10 03:36 PM   #11 
  - As Hillary is to the right of Obama, oh, hell no!  Ikonoklast   Nov-29-10 03:40 PM   #12 
  - Hillary is one of the committed warhawks having too much say with this WH already.  blm   Nov-29-10 03:40 PM   #13 
  - NO WAY!!! She'd work with Repubs. with no fight since she's less liberal than Obama. But why drag  jenmito   Nov-29-10 03:42 PM   #14 
  - Remember when the Senate voted unanimously  molly77   Dec-01-10 07:39 PM   #226 
  - Good lord, no. n/t  superduperfarleft   Nov-29-10 03:43 PM   #15 
  - Doubtful. My allegiance (and heart) belongs to Dennis Kucinich.  Still Blue in PDX   Nov-29-10 03:52 PM   #17 
  - YES!  impik   Nov-29-10 03:53 PM   #18 
  - No ... and what's the point of this question??  Fruittree   Nov-29-10 03:54 PM   #19 
  - I don't think she's much different than B.O. but...  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 06:47 PM   #75 
     - I strongly suspect that there is no choice but to  Fruittree   Nov-30-10 04:46 AM   #135 
  - For Honduras or America?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-29-10 03:55 PM   #20 
  - Two sides of the same corporate coin. nt  polichick   Nov-29-10 03:57 PM   #21 
  - That is what I was saying the whole time.  xultar   Nov-29-10 04:00 PM   #23 
     - If we want to save this party, we'll have to choose much better candidates...  polichick   Nov-29-10 04:06 PM   #27 
        - That's the key. Both Hillary and Obama have compromised what this party stands for.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 08:05 AM   #148 
  - But she didn't win 12 straight primaries and relied on superdelegates.  rug   Nov-29-10 03:59 PM   #22 
  - Just for the record  LisaM   Nov-29-10 04:20 PM   #33 
     - I agree completely. I always found it an odd argument to rely on when selecting a president.  rug   Nov-29-10 05:35 PM   #56 
     - Give me a break. BILL CLINTON ran for President and there  karynnj   Nov-29-10 08:56 PM   #95 
  - No.  political_Dem   Nov-29-10 04:01 PM   #24 
  - She's even farther to the right. nt.  JoePhilly   Nov-29-10 04:05 PM   #25 
  - We may never know.....  Uben   Nov-29-10 04:06 PM   #26 
  - The Economy Would Still Suck Regardless Of Who Was :President  DemocratSinceBirth   Nov-29-10 04:09 PM   #28 
  - No.  TheBigotBasher   Nov-29-10 04:12 PM   #29 
  - Depends who you ask  BeyondGeography   Nov-29-10 04:12 PM   #30 
  - LOL. Please give examples of how Hilary is more progressive than Obama? Her husband was far from  LeftyAndProud60   Nov-29-10 04:14 PM   #31 
  - Some of u live in a dream world.  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 09:19 PM   #101 
  - Some of u live in a dream world.  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 09:21 PM   #102 
  - It all just goes to prove that primaries  Jakes Progress   Nov-29-10 04:19 PM   #32 
  - NO!!! Get over the primaries, already!!! n/t  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-29-10 04:21 PM   #34 
  - nope  tishaLA   Nov-29-10 04:22 PM   #35 
  - Hell no. There's a good reason she lost. n/t  Phx_Dem   Nov-29-10 04:28 PM   #37 
  - +1  AtomicKitten   Nov-29-10 06:15 PM   #66 
  - I definetly think so.  LisaL   Nov-29-10 04:29 PM   #38 
  - I don't see the point in this.  Metric System   Nov-29-10 04:31 PM   #39 
  - Perhaps she would be somewhat better on  Dawson Leery   Nov-29-10 04:32 PM   #40 
  - I have no doubt she would have been far better a choice, there  doc03   Nov-29-10 04:43 PM   #41 
  - +1  emilyg   Nov-29-10 08:35 PM   #89 
  - Get. Over. It !  elizm   Nov-29-10 04:48 PM   #42 
  - No (nt)  bigwillq   Nov-29-10 04:52 PM   #43 
  - Certainly better than Obama.  VMI Dem   Nov-29-10 04:52 PM   #44 
  - Not at all.  de novo   Nov-29-10 04:56 PM   #46 
  - F*ck NO! But then there is hardly a reason to ask  activa8tr   Nov-29-10 04:59 PM   #47 
  - o good christ no.  Whisp   Nov-29-10 05:03 PM   #50 
  - Maybe, because she would've put the Democrats in line.  joshcryer   Nov-29-10 05:31 PM   #55 
  - Oh you mean like her and Bill did in the 90s? There is no way in hell she could have got  LeftyAndProud60   Nov-29-10 05:57 PM   #61 
  - She wasn't in charge in the 90s.  joshcryer   Nov-30-10 12:05 AM   #127 
     - Glad you made that point. Then, why did she run on her husband's record as if it were her own?  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 08:10 AM   #152 
        - Oh she would.  joshcryer   Nov-30-10 09:30 PM   #207 
  - Oh yes ...spank me ...harder ...harder ...oh please ...harder.  L0oniX   Nov-29-10 07:22 PM   #82 
  - (facepalm)  racaulk   Nov-29-10 05:38 PM   #58 
  - She did her part in the great lie that was the Iraq War  hulka38   Nov-29-10 05:44 PM   #59 
  - We will never know. And trying to change the past is for losers. n/t  Lil Missy   Nov-29-10 05:58 PM   #62 
  - If we don't learn from the past, we'll continue to lose. (n/t)  oasis   Nov-30-10 03:50 PM   #191 
     - Which has nothing to do with the OP I responded to.  Lil Missy   Nov-30-10 05:23 PM   #200 
  - BTW - The 2008 primaries are over....  PatGund   Nov-29-10 06:04 PM   #63 
  - Yes...  Sancho   Nov-29-10 06:11 PM   #64 
  - Not hardly...but Kucinich would have certainly been a better choice. nt  NorthCarolina   Nov-29-10 06:15 PM   #67 
  - on your planet maybe Kucinich could get elected  onenote   Nov-29-10 06:36 PM   #72 
  - Yeah, that's it I suppose. All hail the chief. nt  NorthCarolina   Nov-29-10 08:01 PM   #87 
  - The Senate would have blocked Kucinich just as much as they blocked Obama.  Radical Activist   Nov-30-10 01:42 AM   #130 
     - One big difference though. Kucinich would not have been afraid to use the power  NorthCarolina   Nov-30-10 08:23 AM   #157 
        - ...  suzie   Nov-30-10 09:50 AM   #172 
        - What do you think  Radical Activist   Nov-30-10 10:46 AM   #173 
  - NFW  Kltpzyxm   Nov-29-10 06:22 PM   #69 
  - NO!  Politicalboi   Nov-29-10 06:28 PM   #70 
  - I see no reason to think she'd have done anything differently  onenote   Nov-29-10 06:34 PM   #71 
  - Unrec'd  treestar   Nov-29-10 06:42 PM   #74 
  - Because when Bill was prez.....  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 06:50 PM   #76 
  - Sec. Of State Clinton would have had huge problems with independents  mikekohr   Nov-29-10 06:53 PM   #77 
  - Take all the hate of Obama  marlakay   Nov-29-10 06:54 PM   #78 
  - No  alcibiades_mystery   Nov-29-10 06:56 PM   #79 
  - Exceptionaists suck donkey ballz! Arrogant egotistical sociopathic bastards!  L0oniX   Nov-29-10 07:20 PM   #81 
  - I'm still convince that Hillary would have gotten us right were we are  rocktivity   Nov-29-10 07:39 PM   #84 
  - Absolutely not  genna   Nov-29-10 07:54 PM   #85 
  - NO NO and NO  karynnj   Nov-29-10 07:57 PM   #86 
  - It's interesting because we often hear their meme about how strong and tough the Clintons are.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 08:15 AM   #153 
     - As a fellow "old enough to remeber" person, I agree completely  karynnj   Nov-30-10 08:42 AM   #162 
        - Oddly enough, Edwards became my choice after Kucinich left the competition.  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 09:23 AM   #169 
           - Good observations  karynnj   Nov-30-10 06:08 PM   #202 
              - Great post, karynnj. I enjoyed reading it. nt  gateley   Dec-01-10 06:48 PM   #218 
  - Pointless post. It isn't reality, and wishing won't make it so. n/t  CakeGrrl   Nov-29-10 08:58 PM   #96 
  - Pointless post  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 09:25 PM   #103 
     - And...?  CakeGrrl   Nov-29-10 09:34 PM   #107 
        - That wasn't my aim  TatonkaJames   Nov-29-10 10:07 PM   #111 
  - In terms of policy Hillary was pretty much to Obama's right on many issues.  Jennicut   Nov-29-10 08:58 PM   #97 
  - Why ask the question?  Beacool   Nov-29-10 09:47 PM   #109 
  - . . .  Whisp   Nov-29-10 10:16 PM   #112 
  - And that pic is supposed to mean precisely what?  Beacool   Nov-29-10 11:08 PM   #119 
  - Hehehehe....nt  SidDithers   Nov-30-10 01:45 AM   #131 
  - That is so not true about the Clintons. I admired Bill Clinton and  akbacchus_BC   Nov-29-10 11:23 PM   # 
     - Just to correct you. The Democratics controlled both houses of Congress when Hillary  Liberal_Stalwart71   Nov-30-10 08:18 AM   #154 
  - No, and you're excused for insinuating that she would.  Arkana   Nov-29-10 09:49 PM   #110 
  - Hillary is much different than Obama...  hayu_lol   Nov-29-10 10:29 PM   #114 
     - Bullshit. Twice.  damonm   Nov-29-10 10:56 PM   #116 
  - I don't really know, but Clinton and Obama seemed the same to me during the primaries.  ZombieHorde   Nov-29-10 10:23 PM   #113 
  - The fact is...  quickesst   Nov-29-10 10:50 PM   #115 
  - +1  paulk   Nov-30-10 02:08 PM   #174 
  - No n/t  Inuca   Nov-29-10 11:01 PM   #117 
  - Good question! President Obama had the people across the US  akbacchus_BC   Nov-29-10 11:02 PM   #118 
  - she COULDN'T HAVE BEEN WORSE  Skittles   Nov-29-10 11:23 PM   #120 
  - I agree with you, she would have been better! Sorry for being  akbacchus_BC   Nov-29-10 11:30 PM   #122 
  - no. n/t  sammytko   Nov-29-10 11:28 PM   #121 
  - Bubba was the king of bipartisanship (NAFTA), why would Hill be any different?  krawhitham   Nov-29-10 11:40 PM   #123 
  - Bubba created 20 million jobs, last 2 years jobs are lost!  golfguru   Nov-29-10 11:46 PM   #125 
     - "Jobs" should have been the #1 focus of the present administration.  oasis   Nov-30-10 02:48 PM   #178 
  - by 10:1 heck ya!  golfguru   Nov-29-10 11:44 PM   #124 
  - We'd be exactly where we are although some conseradems may of supported her the coatails...  ProgressOnTheMove   Nov-30-10 12:48 AM   #128 
  - haha no.  Radical Activist   Nov-30-10 01:40 AM   #129 
  - Sure I think she was the better choice  Awsi Dooger   Nov-30-10 01:59 AM   #132 
  - Doesn't it end up in a "We'll do this without you" approach anyway  Life Long Dem   Nov-30-10 02:19 AM   #133 
  - Hard to tell  jeanpalmer   Nov-30-10 03:08 AM   #134 
  - To me, literally anyone would have been a better choice.  BlueIris   Nov-30-10 04:50 AM   #136 
  - I don't see how she could possibly be worse.  Balbus   Nov-30-10 07:36 AM   #142 
  - Not a dime's worth of difference.  WinkyDink   Nov-30-10 07:42 AM   #143 
  - We know she has more balls, that is for sure.  Township75   Nov-30-10 07:45 AM   #144 
  - Not just no, but hell no.  MadHound   Nov-30-10 08:07 AM   #150 
  - Don't fool yourself. She'd be exactly the same  Stuckinthebush   Nov-30-10 08:19 AM   #155 
  - no, and thank the maker she lost  mkultra   Nov-30-10 08:23 AM   #156 
  - Hell to the NO. (In before lock)  harun   Nov-30-10 08:27 AM   #158 
  - No unless you have a strong desire for McCain/Palin  whistler162   Nov-30-10 08:33 AM   #159 
  - There's no reason to believe she would have lost in the general election.  Metric System   Nov-30-10 08:39 AM   #161 
  - It's highly unlikely either of them would've lost the GE.  joshcryer   Nov-30-10 09:37 PM   #209 
  - McCain wouldn't have won.  Beacool   Nov-30-10 08:42 AM   #163 
  - He HAS done it without the repugs  catgirl   Nov-30-10 09:09 AM   #165 
  - she would have the same policies  Enrique   Nov-30-10 09:21 AM   #168 
  - How can anybody say when she isn't president?  WI_DEM   Nov-30-10 09:32 AM   #170 
  - Will this ever end?? get over it. Obama is and will continue to be the President.  Aramchek   Nov-30-10 02:30 PM   #175 
  - Hill and Bill have the "know how" and the connections to get things done.  oasis   Nov-30-10 02:39 PM   #176 
  - Yet they couldn't manage to win her the Dem nomination. Go figure. n/t  CakeGrrl   Nov-30-10 02:45 PM   #177 
     - Too many Dems sought a messiah when an administrator was called for  oasis   Nov-30-10 02:56 PM   #180 
        - Yeah, an administrator who hired Mark Penn to run her campaign. Great start.  CakeGrrl   Nov-30-10 03:04 PM   #181 
        - 22 million good paying jobs were created by Bill Clinton. Refudiate that.  oasis   Nov-30-10 03:17 PM   #185 
           - GW Bush left us a shithole of epic proportions. Deal with THAT.  CakeGrrl   Nov-30-10 03:51 PM   #192 
              - This is a "woulda/shoulda/coulda" thread. It's hard for some to admit  oasis   Nov-30-10 04:01 PM   #195 
                 - When did his term end?  CakeGrrl   Nov-30-10 04:03 PM   #196 
                    - 2012 campaign slogan for the faithful. "We're STILL the ones we've been waiting for".  oasis   Nov-30-10 04:11 PM   #197 
        - That'a a RW/PUMA lie. We sought a Dem. who was more liberal than Hillary and we got one.  jenmito   Nov-30-10 03:05 PM   #182 
           - "We are now the most respected country in the world".????  oasis   Nov-30-10 03:10 PM   #184 
           - Yes.  jenmito   Nov-30-10 03:20 PM   #186 
              - Early Oct. 2009. I'd be interested to see what the data shows many drone strikes later.  oasis   Nov-30-10 03:37 PM   #188 
           - We are now the most respected country in the world thanks to Obama????  Beacool   Nov-30-10 09:17 PM   #206 
              - Yes, whether you can accept it or not! And I think we DO live in parallel worlds...  jenmito   Dec-01-10 01:57 PM   #216 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-10 02:52 PM   #179 
  - No!  butterfly77   Nov-30-10 03:09 PM   #183 
  - I now think so...  jzodda   Nov-30-10 03:30 PM   #187 
  - ITA. That was my issue with him. I feared his inexperience would be a problem  lunamagica   Nov-30-10 09:36 PM   #208 
  - Things I didn't like about Hillary:  ljm2002   Nov-30-10 03:40 PM   #189 
  - I think , YES  mitchtv   Nov-30-10 03:51 PM   #193 
  - yes  JVS   Nov-30-10 03:54 PM   #194 
  - My sense of her is that she wouldn't be as patient with the Republicans as Obama  gateley   Nov-30-10 04:37 PM   #198 
  - Exactamundo. Hill's a fighter. (nt)  oasis   Nov-30-10 05:26 PM   #201 
  - Must be a slow afternoon on DU...  Blue_Tires   Nov-30-10 05:23 PM   #199 
  - We all were 'low count posters' at one time  MissDeeds   Nov-30-10 06:36 PM   #203 
  - No  musette_sf   Nov-30-10 07:11 PM   #204 
  - Yes, she would have been a wiser leader.  robcon   Dec-01-10 10:22 AM   #213 
  - If she could have been elected, she would have been a better president.  old mark   Dec-01-10 01:48 PM   #215 
  - They wouldn't be working with Hilary either. They want their own power.  wowimthere   Dec-01-10 02:11 PM   #217 
  - I think that sums it up perfectly. Doesn't matter who got the nod. They want to rule. nt  gateley   Dec-01-10 06:50 PM   #219 
  - Interesting question. . .  cyr330   Dec-01-10 07:35 PM   #225 
  - No  fadedrose   Dec-01-10 07:44 PM   #227 
  - 2 peas in a pod working toward the same agenda using the  obxhead   Dec-01-10 08:05 PM   #228 
  - No. Doubt it.  La Lioness Priyanka   Dec-01-10 08:20 PM   #229 
  - I think she'd have won the soundbite war and stood up to the repubs and gone farther  craigmatic   Dec-01-10 08:40 PM   #230 
  - lol  ibegurpard   Dec-01-10 08:46 PM   #231 
  - NO  underpants   Dec-01-10 08:47 PM   #232 
 

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