Reply #20: So your alternative is for us to be more conservative?

[Jakes Progress]

We tried that for two years. We lost. The electorate doesn't care so much about right and left. In your simple world, the republicans won the last election, so, golly, we must need to be more republican. Just why did the country become so conservative in just two years. If the country were so conservative and wanted a conservative government - as in republican government - then Obama wouldn't have won office in the first place. Or did the magic conservative fairy sprinkle right-wing dust over the country so that it changed dramatically in just two years.

What the apologists can't get, what the win-at-all-costs advocates don't understand, what the beltway pundits won't acknowledge is that people voted for Obama for the change he represented to them. Then for two years this administration has done all it could to make itself indistinguishable in the eyes of the electorate from the right. You and I can argue over the finer points, but people who wanted change haven't seen it. Now there is even less chance of change.

My original point was that Obama didn't have four long years to fulfill his campaign promises. Many of us argued that he needed to get after them right away and forcefully, that he needed to stop trying to water every change down just to get a single republican vote. My belief is that if he had done so, we would have done better in the election.

Then you get all silly. You trot out the "Hitler" meme when nothing, absolutely nothing in my post said anything about fascism or jack-boots. Just something floating around in your craw. You then complain that for the "left" nothing about Obama is good. When someone complains about the left like that, you have to ask how they view themselves if not of the "left". Then you lump yourself in with the same group you just castigated. So you call yourself one of the "left" and say that "for the left, nothing Obama does is good enough". Does that mean that you don't anything Obama does is good enough? Or does that mean that you really aren't sure of where you come down on any issues until the WH tells you what they think?