Reply #94: Oh...ok.....

[FrenchieCat]

you say..."he could have put more money behind the healthcare bill and still had it pass, but he wanted to make it deficit neutral to score political points against republicans."

No, he wanted it to be deficit neutral so that the bill would pass. You don't get to decide that the bill would have passed if it wasn't deficit neutral....because you don't know how many Democratic votes we would have lost, so what you are saying is not a truth or a fact, just your opinion without any back up....and it would need it, because I don't agree with you.

You say "people that already are barely scraping by will now be asked to pay additional money that they don't have. You are yet to explain to me how a single person living alone on $10 /hr can afford this healthcare bill."

I already explained to you that in reality, those people you are mentioning aren't covered now, so he is offering them affordable coverage, and if they don't want it, they can pay the annual fee that provides catastrophic insurance instead. The calculator does not take into consideration the Pools that will also be in place in 2014, and it is based on the silver plan, although folks can also get a bronze plan which is significantly cheaper......so we don't truly know what that person will pay as of today, not really. What we do know is that they can't afford single person coverage now. We also know that there are now many more clinics where one pays on a sliding scale; not as many were available before. So on balance, I'd say that this single person earning $10.00 per hour is better off under Obama's plan than under the status quo....and no, I don't believe that a better bill would have passed the house, as this one barely did, and that's with Kucinich and other who are very liberal voting for it. So I reject your argument due to the facts of the matter.


You say, "you want those people to suck it up, it's politics, that's just the way it is."

No, it's not just politics....it is the realities of politics. There's a difference....which is the choice of getting nothing and getting something that isn't really as bad as you are making it be, in order to make your political point.


You say....."If you want to keep ignoring that then we really don't have anything else to discuss. I have to get some work done anyway."

I have responded to your posts, so now you just sound ridiculous, like you've decided to play
the victim card. That's sad, but in the end, it reveals quite a bit......most likely about each of us, and I'd rather be me in this argument.