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59. True. But they have an alternative until then.
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  -Top 14 Health Care Reform Provisions That Take Effect Immediately on January 1, 2010 ClarkUSA  Nov-22-09 10:15 AM   #0 
  - but teh bill sux  CTLawGuy   Nov-22-09 10:16 AM   #1 
  - Dennis is well intended but also batshit nuts at times. We need an ADVANCE, not the whole load.  RBInMaine   Nov-22-09 11:09 AM   #16 
  - Just to get that advance  DissedByBush   Nov-23-09 07:22 AM   #89 
  - You reference a god as a mere saint?  elocs   Nov-23-09 06:49 AM   #88 
     - 'Remember: "Dennis" spelled backwards is "sinned".'  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 08:28 PM   #196 
  - Every time a Dem gets a minute on TV  Frances   Nov-22-09 10:23 AM   #2 
  - Right. We grassroots supporters of HCR also need to write LTTE to our local papers.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 07:42 PM   #73 
  - Sounds ok I guess  Old Codger   Nov-22-09 10:23 AM   #3 
  - On a positive note ~ this information is important for all Americans  goclark   Nov-22-09 10:50 AM   #10 
     - You bet  Old Codger   Nov-22-09 11:05 AM   #15 
        - I have not heard One M$$M person outline it this way  goclark   Nov-23-09 08:26 AM   #94 
  - Thank you. Great post.  NC_Nurse   Nov-22-09 10:23 AM   #4 
  - You're welcome, NC_Nurse.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 08:09 PM   #122 
  - K&R, it isn't the bill I wanted but it does have some important benefits to it  Motown_Johnny   Nov-22-09 10:25 AM   #5 
  - It is worse than you think!  IndianaGreen   Nov-22-09 11:53 AM   #27 
     - Oooh! You're so handy with the PHNP anti-HCR op-eds that are long on rhetoric but short on facts!  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 04:18 PM   #52 
  - That looks good so far. Thanks.  jwirr   Nov-22-09 10:25 AM   #6 
  - Rec'd! Thanks for posting this  firedupdem   Nov-22-09 10:28 AM   #7 
  - Tells me that they can still deny coverage for pre-existing  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 10:53 AM   #12 
  - You're "missing something." Read #2.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 11:24 AM   #20 
     - That is what I was referring to. If they have to create a new (temp)  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 11:48 AM   #24 
        - Until the Exchange is set up, folks w/pre-existing conditions will be covered starting Jan. 1.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 12:24 PM   #30 
           - I agree that it will cover those already denied, but  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 01:05 PM   #33 
           - There's nothing that points to your assumption, though.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 02:44 PM   #42 
              - That is a fallacy  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 05:23 PM   #64 
              - How so? You're entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean what I've said "is a fallacy" at all.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 06:04 PM   #70 
                 - Arguing? I thought we were discussing.  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-22-09 06:16 PM   #71 
                    - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 07:07 PM   #72 
                    - "Nothing in the current bill addresses going forward." Um, no. Actually, it does.  ClarkUSA   Nov-25-09 08:43 PM   #130 
                    - K  AVID   Dec-01-09 01:21 PM   #160 
              - Not quite true!  Garam_Masala   Nov-30-09 11:12 PM   #157 
           - That was changed to 2014 to make the bill more appealing to the conservatives.  saracat   Nov-22-09 04:11 PM   #49 
           - Do you have any credible proof of your assertion? nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 04:26 PM   #53 
           - it was on PBS yesterday. I'll look. I was disturbed by it. I'll try to find a link.  saracat   Nov-22-09 04:30 PM   #55 
              - not the pbs special the language in the bill please. n/t  vaberella   Nov-22-09 05:20 PM   #63 
           - Oops and I meant 2012 not 2014! Still looking!  saracat   Nov-22-09 05:43 PM   #69 
           - Well, there is not going be a fucking bill by 1/1/10, so you can.............  pattmarty   Nov-23-09 09:10 AM   #101 
              - Time will tell. nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 09:20 AM   #103 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-23-09 10:01 AM   #106 
  - But that preexisting condition provision was changed to not take effect till 2014 by the Senate  saracat   Nov-22-09 04:08 PM   #47 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 04:30 PM   #54 
     - Isn't that 2012? Nevertheless, the gov't. will offer interim healthcare until the Exchange is set up  ClarkUSA   Nov-25-09 08:36 PM   #129 
  - Good first step  Frosty1   Nov-22-09 10:38 AM   #8 
  - Thanks Clark. This needed reposting. n/t  vaberella   Nov-22-09 10:41 AM   #9 
  - Shout these from the fucking rooftops!  CaliforniaPeggy   Nov-22-09 10:52 AM   #11 
  - You are not getting what you think you are getting!  IndianaGreen   Nov-22-09 11:09 AM   #17 
  - Unlike the OP, heated doomsday rhetoric is not factual. nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 11:19 AM   #19 
     - I've heard this meme on the lead up to Iraq War, when your side supported IWR  IndianaGreen   Nov-22-09 11:44 AM   #21 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 11:51 AM   #25 
        - Yep, the same old mistakes get repeated over and over again.  Cleita   Nov-22-09 01:18 PM   #35 
        - What are these "mistakes" and "memes" that you speak of? nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 04:06 PM   #46 
           - Oh, I don't know. Everything that hasn't worked in the last hundred years  Cleita   Nov-22-09 10:13 PM   #76 
              - Wow, you're still bemoaning the "mistakes" and "memes" from 1909? Why not go back to 1776? nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 08:51 AM   #98 
                 - I could go back to the Bronze Age if you like.  Cleita   Nov-23-09 12:56 PM   #112 
                    - I'm curious. What mistakes pertaining to the HCR effort "go back to the Bronze Age"? nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 01:32 PM   #113 
                       - NIce try. You are setting up straw men and I'm not playing anymore.  Cleita   Nov-23-09 03:28 PM   #116 
                          - lol! You're the one who brought up the Bronze Age in relation to the "mistakes" and "memes" of HCR  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 04:04 PM   #117 
        - You don't anything about who supported what..I know as my senator Hillary  Cha   Nov-22-09 04:15 PM   #51 
           - Thank you Cha ~ I remember that also  goclark   Nov-23-09 08:31 AM   #96 
           - Cha---YOU'RE A NEW YORKA?! ahhh!! hello my brethren!!!  vaberella   Nov-23-09 11:21 AM   #111 
              - Here's some more non-substance..  Cha   Nov-25-09 09:08 PM   #134 
                 - Upstate NY has wonderful little havens like that. Good school system, too?  ClarkUSA   Nov-29-09 11:08 AM   #148 
  - forwarded to email list  kid a   Nov-23-09 11:25 PM   #126 
  - Thanks, CaliforniaPeggy! That's what I'm aiming to do.  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 11:32 AM   #190 
  - And here are ten cost cutting measures  sandnsea   Nov-22-09 10:55 AM   #13 
  - Does anyone know what is meant by wasteful Medicare spending?  JDPriestly   Nov-23-09 01:52 AM   #81 
     - I can think of a lot of ways the system has waste  mdmc   Nov-23-09 06:44 AM   #86 
     - i had to swear to use mine. bcbs  mopinko   Nov-25-09 10:01 PM   #135 
     - New authorities will allow for pre-enrollment screening of providers and suppliers.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 09:16 AM   #102 
     - good stuff  AVID   Dec-03-09 03:46 PM   #164 
     - I'm not on it yet (close), I believe it's the "Advantage" plans that by.......  pattmarty   Nov-23-09 10:49 AM   #107 
        - In a city like L.A., I think a senior just about has to be on an advantage  JDPriestly   Nov-23-09 03:10 PM   #115 
           - I don't want to bust on you, but If Medicare would have been funded...........  pattmarty   Nov-23-09 06:20 PM   #119 
  - Are mandates not required for those states that opt out of 'public option'?  IndianaGreen   Nov-22-09 10:58 AM   #14 
  - lol! Which states will dare voters' wrath by opting out?  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 11:13 AM   #18 
     - Bible Belt!  IndianaGreen   Nov-22-09 11:44 AM   #22 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 11:53 AM   #28 
     - Arizona already plans to do so. It is wrong to allow states to do so.  saracat   Nov-22-09 04:09 PM   #48 
        - Talk is cheap. Let's see what'll happen once political reality hits and their bluff is called.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 04:58 PM   #58 
           - Unless you live he don't make that assumption. We DID reject NCLB  saracat   Nov-22-09 05:28 PM   #65 
              - I'll believe when I see it. AZ ended up accepting stimulus $ after whining about it at first. nt  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 05:35 PM   #67 
  - Please NOTE that NONE of them will be effective Jan 1 at this point in time.  Better Today   Nov-22-09 11:45 AM   #23 
  - You've raised some interesting points.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 03:51 PM   #44 
  - #11 - revenues from this program will be used to finance HC reform....  slipslidingaway   Nov-22-09 11:52 AM   #26 
  - Nice to see some positive, factual information posted here for a change  prolesunited   Nov-22-09 12:17 PM   #29 
  - Thanks. I have a close relative who is in exactly the same situation as you.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 01:02 PM   #32 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-22-09 12:27 PM   #31 
  - Nothing will take effect until a final bill is signed, I do  Cleita   Nov-22-09 01:14 PM   #34 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-22-09 01:31 PM   #36 
     - thanks..I did edit the post and I never in my life until now have called  Cleita   Nov-22-09 01:40 PM   #37 
  - Just amazing how nobody even knows about that  impik   Nov-22-09 01:42 PM   #38 
  - I know how you feel.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 08:45 PM   #123 
  - This is what Dean was saying..get these out there as  Cha   Nov-22-09 02:01 PM   #39 
  - Those 14 things makes this bill a MUST PASS situation  LynneSin   Nov-22-09 02:17 PM   #40 
  - I agree.  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 02:39 PM   #192 
  - For those who have been denied coverage because of pre existing conditions.. this is a God send  Peacetrain   Nov-22-09 02:18 PM   #41 
  - But not till 2014. That makes me made. They altered that this week!  saracat   Nov-22-09 04:12 PM   #50 
     - True. But they have an alternative until then.  impik   Nov-22-09 05:01 PM   #59 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 05:19 PM   #62 
  - That is why EVERY DEMOCRATIC SENATOR (left and center) voted to move it along  AVID   Nov-22-09 03:22 PM   #43 
  - K & R  HopeOverFear   Nov-22-09 03:52 PM   #45 
  - What is the status of pre-existing conditions in the "January" bill?  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 04:36 PM   #56 
  - What ban? Last I heard pre-existing conditions are supposed to lifted from being a problem. nt  vaberella   Nov-22-09 05:16 PM   #60 
  - Useless answer. Next.  freddie mertz   Nov-22-09 05:34 PM   #66 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 05:41 PM   #68 
  - You said "ban" you never answered the question. So I should say you gave a useless answer. nt  vaberella   Nov-23-09 08:30 AM   #95 
  - Check THIS link  freddie mertz   Nov-23-09 07:46 AM   #91 
     - From my understanding the "January" bill or whatever your asking hasn't been drafted.  vaberella   Nov-23-09 08:35 AM   #97 
        - Yes, these are all still in process  freddie mertz   Nov-23-09 08:54 AM   #99 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-22-09 05:17 PM   #61 
  - I don't get why nobody knows about this  impik   Nov-22-09 04:55 PM   #57 
  - kicking back to the top  kid a   Dec-01-09 01:11 PM   #159 
  - disclosure is not enough to control prices. Premium caps and overhead caps would  yurbud   Nov-22-09 07:43 PM   #74 
  - Both the House and Senate bills have measures that would take place later.  ClarkUSA   Nov-22-09 08:52 PM   #75 
     - But the insurance corporations use fraud as an excuse for denial of coverage.  fasttense   Nov-23-09 04:04 AM   #82 
        - Greater consumer protection will go hand-in-hand with guaranteed coverage.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 11:05 AM   #109 
  - kickin to the top and sharing on facebook  kid a   Nov-22-09 11:03 PM   #77 
  - Thanks! And that's a great idea.  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 08:01 PM   #195 
  - Will the lifting of lifetime caps be retroactive?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-22-09 11:23 PM   #78 
  - There is nothing in the bill to suggest otherwise.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 07:02 PM   #120 
  - Any word on what the penalties for price gouging will be?  dflprincess   Nov-22-09 11:40 PM   #79 
  - Clark, thanks  katkat   Nov-23-09 01:41 AM   #80 
  - You're welcome, katkat.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 08:01 PM   #121 
  - There is a lot not to like about the HCR winding through the congressional halls,  tavalon   Nov-23-09 04:16 AM   #83 
  - Those reforms don't help me at all.. in fact my ins. costs just went up..  mdmc   Nov-23-09 06:39 AM   #84 
  - This is the press release from Pelosi about the bill passed in the HOUSE  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-23-09 06:44 AM   #85 
  - The Senate bill S. 1679 has similar language as the House bill.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 08:25 AM   #93 
  - NEW REPUB. HOUSE HEALTH CARE PROPOSAL, details below  N_E_1 for Tennis   Nov-23-09 06:48 AM   #87 
  - kick  AVID   Nov-30-09 11:23 PM   #158 
  - Why aren't Democrats selling the truth that the GOP are against 31 mill. being insured???  deacon   Nov-23-09 07:39 AM   #90 
  - Because if the people cared about the 31 million uninsured...  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Nov-23-09 09:24 AM   #104 
  - My son turns 27 in May and was kicked off our policy 3 years ago  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-23-09 08:18 AM   #92 
  - Yes... if the reconciled bill that passes the Senate includes the provision.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 10:53 AM   #108 
  - The Insurance Loophole for ending recissions is the term "Fraud"  NorthCarolina   Nov-23-09 08:57 AM   #100 
  - Under HCR, insurance companies will no longer have the egregious latitude they have now.  ClarkUSA   Nov-23-09 11:15 AM   #110 
  - Excellent. Thank you! nt  quiet.american   Nov-23-09 09:48 AM   #105 
  - You're welcome, quiet.american.  ClarkUSA   Nov-29-09 04:21 PM   #151 
  - thanks for this list. nt  RepublicanElephant   Nov-23-09 02:13 PM   #114 
  - You're welcome, RepublicanElephant.  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 10:23 AM   #189 
  - k  kid a   Nov-23-09 05:16 PM   #118 
  - Thank you, ClarkUSA.  Hekate   Nov-23-09 09:19 PM   #124 
  - You're welcome, Hekate.  ClarkUSA   Nov-26-09 08:36 AM   #137 
  - And we have always been at war with Oceana. nt  Jakes Progress   Nov-23-09 09:45 PM   #125 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-09 03:32 AM   #127 
  - Kicking to put at the top of GDP.  unhappycamper   Nov-25-09 05:56 AM   #128 
  - Thank you, unhappycamper!  Cha   Nov-25-09 10:27 PM   #136 
  - Thanks and I hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving.  ClarkUSA   Nov-27-09 10:28 AM   #141 
  - kick  kid a   Nov-29-09 03:38 PM   #150 
  - Yay, it's back! Maybe the mods/admins are starting to see how feverishly fiendish  Number23   Nov-25-09 08:51 PM   #131 
  - Well knock me over with a feather and call  Cha   Nov-25-09 08:55 PM   #133 
  - The OP is good so I'm glad it's back.  ClarkUSA   Nov-29-09 08:29 AM   #146 
  - Kckd  sudopod   Nov-25-09 08:54 PM   #132 
  - Kick for pertinent  Cha   Nov-26-09 06:36 PM   #138 
  - k & r n/t  R. P. McMurphy   Nov-26-09 06:55 PM   #139 
  - Nice work Clark  davidpdx   Nov-27-09 06:23 AM   #140 
  - lol..I'll  Cha   Nov-27-09 12:02 PM   #142 
     - Time for another  Cha   Nov-27-09 08:20 PM   #143 
  - Again..  Cha   Nov-28-09 10:52 PM   #144 
  - we need to post this in a new thread every couple of days so it can stay on the greatest page  Aramchek   Nov-28-09 11:25 PM   #145 
  - We can also just keep kicking it  Cha   Nov-29-09 03:26 PM   #149 
     - like this  AVID   Dec-01-09 03:29 PM   #161 
        - And this.  ClarkUSA   Dec-04-09 08:16 PM   #171 
  - the Truth will set us free, and provide Medical coverage, too  Aramchek   Nov-29-09 10:16 AM   #147 
  - Facts are facts..now matter how many  Cha   Nov-29-09 06:16 PM   #152 
  - Kick to keep it at the  Cha   Nov-30-09 12:59 PM   #153 
  - KICK!  Cha   Nov-30-09 04:25 PM   #154 
  - Keeping this on the front page  AVID   Nov-30-09 09:48 PM   #155 
  - Thanks, AVID!  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 11:10 AM   #176 
  - Glad to hear this!! can you post a link to this info so I can pass it on, please? nt  cry baby   Nov-30-09 09:57 PM   #156 
  - Sure... see reply #181.  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 07:56 PM   #186 
  - judo chop!  Aramchek   Dec-01-09 03:40 PM   #162 
  - Bonzai!  Cha   Dec-02-09 09:29 PM   #163 
     - ....  ClarkUSA   Dec-04-09 09:17 AM   #167 
  - its amazing how much good the downers must ignore  mkultra   Dec-03-09 04:11 PM   #165 
  - Yeah, it must suck to be them.  ClarkUSA   Dec-04-09 06:52 PM   #170 
  - Kick to First Page.  Cha   Dec-03-09 09:57 PM   #166 
  - Thanks, Cha!  ClarkUSA   Dec-07-09 09:20 AM   #188 
  - What a crappy bill, a complete and total failure, a disaster in the making.  Ikonoklast   Dec-04-09 10:07 AM   #168 
  - "I just wanted to type that just to see how stupid it looks stacked up against... reality"  ClarkUSA   Dec-04-09 02:29 PM   #169 
  - Thank you! I plan to forward this to my regular contacts.  DailyGrind51   Dec-05-09 08:04 AM   #172 
  - You're welcome and thanks in return. That's the main reason I posted the OP.  ClarkUSA   Dec-05-09 06:54 PM   #173 
  - Nothing about pre-existing conditions?  Zoeisright   Dec-05-09 10:06 PM   #174 
  - Please read through the thread.  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 09:45 AM   #175 
  - It's all ClarkUSA all the time here at DU!  Moochy   Dec-06-09 11:51 AM   #177 
  - It's you with a nonsensical personal attack bc you don't like the message.  Cha   Dec-06-09 03:55 PM   #180 
  - K&R  Moochy   Dec-06-09 11:54 AM   #178 
  - Could you please post a link to this info so I can pass it on? thx!!!  cry baby   Dec-06-09 02:55 PM   #179 
  - Source: Committee on Education and Labor (link -->)  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 03:55 PM   #181 
     - Thank you! Is there a list like Pelosi's on the senate version of HCR that you know of?  cry baby   Dec-06-09 03:59 PM   #182 
     - The Senate bill S.1679 has similar language as the House bill.  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 04:27 PM   #183 
     - Thanks for that, Clark.  Cha   Dec-06-09 04:37 PM   #184 
        - You're welcome, Cha.  ClarkUSA   Dec-06-09 05:54 PM   #185 
  - it's a start!  Divine Discontent   Dec-06-09 10:59 PM   #187 
  - I'm still afraid of it because of how much I am going to be FORCED to pay  ima_sinnic   Dec-07-09 11:52 AM   #191 
  - Not much of REAL value there.  Milo_Bloom   Dec-07-09 03:52 PM   #193 
  - Uh huh. They look good to me and many other Americans.  ClarkUSA   Dec-08-09 04:10 PM   #197 
  - K & R  kjackson227   Dec-07-09 04:35 PM   #194 
     - kr  Cha   Dec-10-09 09:18 PM   #198 
 

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