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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 08:11 PM
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126. I hope it doesn't break us.
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  -I think the new San Francisco law banning Happy Meals is brilliant EFerrari  Nov-24-10 03:26 PM   #0 
  - I think what we need is more responsible parenting  bluestateguy   Nov-24-10 03:29 PM   #1 
  - No matter how good a parent you are, you can't block out the ads.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:31 PM   #2 
  - A parent can't block out the ads but can say the word no  Lisa D   Nov-24-10 03:38 PM   #10 
  - Yes, a parent can stick to her/his guns.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:41 PM   #13 
     - The San Fran City Council is not the community  jancantor   Nov-24-10 06:31 PM   #51 
     - Um, we don't have a city council. We hae a board of supervisors  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:27 AM   #61 
        - My mistake on the terminology  jancantor   Nov-25-10 12:31 AM   #64 
           - Not in San Francisco. The positions are very competative.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:41 AM   #71 
           - You sound like Rush Limbaugh...  BolivarianHero   Nov-25-10 10:56 AM   #95 
     - Why should I have to back up parents?  blueamy66   Nov-26-10 03:17 AM   #139 
        - Because that's what human communities do?  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 12:56 PM   #153 
           - Um, I was born to a teenager who put me up for adoption....  blueamy66   Nov-26-10 06:48 PM   #158 
              - You still haven't thought it all the way through.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:28 PM   #160 
                 - My mother had help????  blueamy66   Nov-26-10 07:40 PM   #161 
                    - Well, there you are. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:43 PM   #162 
  - I've got two kids and I think it's fucking ridiculous.  11 Bravo   Nov-24-10 03:44 PM   #17 
  - How nice for you. Btw, you could still buy the exact same crap "food" for your kids  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:50 PM   #20 
     - After I got out of the army, I lived in the Castro for a while. I'm dying to know, what "border"...  11 Bravo   Nov-24-10 04:07 PM   #28 
        - Daly City, for instance.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:09 PM   #29 
  - You can turn off the TV.  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-24-10 05:14 PM   #43 
  - You can turn off the teevee in your home.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 05:21 PM   #44 
     - Most of their exposure to TV is within the home.  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-24-10 05:23 PM   #45 
        - Because pitting individual parents against Madison Avenue is so effective?  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 05:36 PM   #46 
           - No, because outsourcing parenting skills isn't the way to go.  Starbucks Anarchist   Nov-24-10 06:11 PM   #49 
           - What a very black and white view of how children develop.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 10:47 AM   #93 
           - It's not "the community"  jancantor   Nov-24-10 06:33 PM   #52 
              - It is absolutely the community. The supervisors are in no position  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:25 AM   #59 
                 - No, it's not  jancantor   Nov-25-10 12:39 AM   #69 
                    - LOL. This is a positive alternative and it lays the bulk of the work  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:50 AM   #73 
                       - No, the locus of control, the choice rests with the CONSUMER  jancantor   Nov-25-10 04:16 AM   #82 
                          - lol.  Starry Messenger   Nov-25-10 08:23 AM   #89 
                          - My ex was one of the first, if not the first, local comedian  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 10:51 AM   #94 
                          - Yes, it's evil capitalism and those darn corporations  jancantor   Nov-25-10 02:31 PM   #103 
                             - Sounding like a Bond movie villain yourself is no way to fight stereotypes.  Starry Messenger   Nov-25-10 04:44 PM   #112 
                                - Sounding like a South Park character  jancantor   Nov-25-10 04:57 PM   #114 
                                   - Enjoy your stay here.  Starry Messenger   Nov-25-10 04:57 PM   #115 
                                      - Enjoy wallowing in hate for the evil corporations  jancantor   Nov-25-10 05:00 PM   #116 
                                         - I'm wallowing in schadenfreude,friendo. I live in the Bay Area.  Starry Messenger   Nov-25-10 05:03 PM   #117 
                                            - But I am channeling my anger constructively  jancantor   Nov-25-10 05:10 PM   #120 
                          - You're positing only one center of power and responsibility, an authoritarian paradigm  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 10:37 AM   #92 
                          - What complete crap  jancantor   Nov-25-10 02:33 PM   #104 
                             - Are you just copying and pasting this now?  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:48 PM   #135 
                                - Close. I was using a random word generator  jancantor   Nov-26-10 10:22 AM   #144 
                          - McD's can still sell Happy Meals in the city. That corporate choice has been preserved.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-25-10 11:12 AM   #97 
                             - Ridiculous  jancantor   Nov-25-10 02:34 PM   #105 
                                - What's ridiculous is putting corporate interests over consumer interests.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-25-10 04:07 PM   #108 
                                   - You have it exactly backwards  jancantor   Nov-25-10 04:38 PM   #109 
                                      - I feel superior to corporate marketers, that's true.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-25-10 04:56 PM   #113 
                                         - You feel superior to the parents  jancantor   Nov-25-10 05:06 PM   #118 
                                            - No, actually I don't. I respect how hard it is for parents to keep up with the manufactured wants  Gormy Cuss   Nov-26-10 09:23 AM   #140 
                                               - No, I respect parents and choice  jancantor   Nov-26-10 10:20 AM   #143 
                                               - You seem to miss this fact: the parents still have choice. So does McD's.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-26-10 11:42 AM   #147 
  - No, it's called nanny'ism  jancantor   Nov-24-10 06:31 PM   #50 
  - "you can't block out the ads."  PavePusher   Nov-25-10 12:10 PM   #98 
     - Childrens' brains don't come with an "off" switch.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:49 PM   #99 
        - I didn't have "media experience" growing up.  PavePusher   Nov-25-10 01:50 PM   #100 
           - Well, no, unless you grew up in an Amish community  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 02:16 PM   #101 
              - Rural New England in the 70's and 80's....  PavePusher   Nov-25-10 02:26 PM   #102 
  - I knew by age 2 that commercials were lies - because my parents taught me  REP   Nov-24-10 04:16 PM   #32 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:20 PM   #33 
  - but it is responsible parenting! parents can now choose any meal, plus a toy! =)  NuttyFluffers   Nov-25-10 06:07 AM   #87 
  - If you prohibit your kids from having what all the other kids are having  lunatica   Nov-25-10 02:38 PM   #107 
  - The toys are crap, too  arcane1   Nov-24-10 03:31 PM   #3 
  - SF has hands full, that's for sure.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:36 PM   #7 
  - Food economy dominated by giant corporations is a pressing issue  Catherina   Nov-24-10 03:39 PM   #11 
     - It's probably the most bang for your buck, to disrupt the influence on kids.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:58 PM   #24 
  - And now, because parents won't 'just say no', someone will do it  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 03:32 PM   #4 
  - Parents need community back up. They always have.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:36 PM   #9 
     - parents can make their own choice  jancantor   Nov-25-10 07:52 PM   #122 
  - I think so too. I'm sick of seeing corporations hook and brainwash kids.  Catherina   Nov-24-10 03:32 PM   #5 
  - +1  AmandaMae   Nov-24-10 03:36 PM   #8 
  - I thought it was bad when I had my kids in the 70s-80s.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:40 PM   #12 
  - eh  thatsrightimirish   Nov-24-10 03:35 PM   #6 
  - I thought it was vetoed  demosincebirth   Nov-24-10 03:41 PM   #14 
  - Overridden. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:42 PM   #15 
  - Next, they want to charge a toll coming into SF, from the San Mateo peninsula.  demosincebirth   Nov-24-10 03:54 PM   #22 
     - Sorry, I missed the connection. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:59 PM   #25 
     - That's one of several proposed congestion pricing schemes  KamaAina   Nov-24-10 04:30 PM   #36 
  - It was over ridden  Irishonly   Nov-24-10 03:56 PM   #23 
  - Are the playgrounds next?  pintobean   Nov-24-10 03:43 PM   #16 
  - You do know that rules, regs and laws about playground safety  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:44 PM   #18 
  - Yes, I do. I've installed some.  pintobean   Nov-24-10 03:48 PM   #19 
     - Ah, I see, sorry. That's an interesting question.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 03:54 PM   #21 
  - Yes, the playgrounds are next, and it has already begun. Here's  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 04:23 PM   #34 
     - I still can't believe people were applauding that here. (nt)  Posteritatis   Nov-25-10 04:18 AM   #83 
  - Yes, it is a start, however small.  Newest Reality   Nov-24-10 03:59 PM   #26 
  - And that's why our kids are natural targets for the vultures.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:01 PM   #27 
     - Part of parenting is, or should be, fending off the vultures. Obviously, not  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 04:10 PM   #30 
        - I think your conclusion is off.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:14 PM   #31 
           - Some parents have more control than others. For those who don't, well,  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 04:27 PM   #35 
           - Parenting is not about control but about teaching.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:31 PM   #37 
           - Control has everything to do with it while they are being taught. "Do  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 04:34 PM   #39 
           - Well, no. Nagging at children doesn't keep them safe.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:37 PM   #40 
              - You are right, I was wrong. I should have let the little buggers scald themselves,  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 04:41 PM   #41 
                 - Right. The challenge is to keep the environment safe while you teach.  EFerrari   Nov-24-10 04:55 PM   #42 
                    - That was sarcasm, you know. nt  Obamanaut   Nov-24-10 05:42 PM   #47 
           - How do you teach them to not be suckered in by advertising by banning the advertising?  Hippo_Tron   Nov-25-10 05:00 AM   #84 
              - You don't need the ad to teach them  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 10:30 AM   #91 
           - For those who don't, well,  ProudDad   Nov-26-10 01:03 PM   #155 
           - McD's is successful because they provide people with what they want  jancantor   Nov-24-10 06:37 PM   #54 
              - "children younger than 8 years are cognitively and psychologically defenseless against advertising"  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 11:02 AM   #96 
              - Children under 8 yrs are very rarely patronizing McD's  jancantor   Nov-25-10 02:38 PM   #106 
                 - Whoooooooooooooosh.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:10 PM   #125 
                 - Don't be that harsh on yourself  jancantor   Nov-25-10 09:43 PM   #136 
                 - Get a grip, Ayn...  ProudDad   Nov-26-10 01:08 PM   #157 
              - Utter, unadulterated, libertarian bullshit...  ProudDad   Nov-26-10 01:05 PM   #156 
  - seems perfectly reasonable to me  fishwax   Nov-24-10 04:31 PM   #38 
  - wow--great news!  bliss_eternal   Nov-24-10 05:45 PM   #48 
  - All I know is that if parents really knew what went into  malaise   Nov-24-10 06:34 PM   #53 
  - Parents are free to research what goes into them  jancantor   Nov-26-10 10:24 AM   #145 
  - I'm not so sure this policy will disrupt anything in terms of marketing happy meals.  aikoaiko   Nov-24-10 06:39 PM   #55 
  - Well, that's true. It will be interesting to see how it works out. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:40 AM   #70 
  - Wow, people are really devoted to crap nuggets.  Starry Messenger   Nov-24-10 06:42 PM   #56 
  - In France the McNuggets are real meat  Ichingcarpenter   Nov-24-10 06:50 PM   #57 
  - LOL!  Swamp Rat   Nov-25-10 12:29 AM   #62 
  - I loved buying toys for my kids. We didn't have much  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:38 AM   #68 
  - Really devoted to some idealized world were kids and their parents are in a bubble  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:33 AM   #66 
     - When there aren't a lot of choices for a hard working family  Starry Messenger   Nov-25-10 07:56 AM   #88 
  - I am convinced it was the John Wayne smoking commercials that got me hooked  NNN0LHI   Nov-24-10 06:51 PM   #58 
  - I was hooked after my very first cigarette at 14.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:29 AM   #63 
     - Then you must be very weak.  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Nov-25-10 10:26 PM   #137 
  - I think it's the parents who need to make decisions for their children.  proteus_lives   Nov-25-10 12:26 AM   #60 
  - There's no passing the buck involved here. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:32 AM   #65 
     - I disagree.  proteus_lives   Nov-25-10 12:51 AM   #74 
        - It's reality. Kids are bombarded with advertising.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 01:04 AM   #76 
           - True, it's reality.  proteus_lives   Nov-25-10 02:32 AM   #80 
              - Nope, not at all.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 02:51 AM   #81 
  - I never cared for the toys. When I was a kid, I just liked the taste of their food.  Incitatus   Nov-25-10 12:33 AM   #67 
  - This is funny but as a teenager, I was addicted to Foster Freeze tacos.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 12:46 AM   #72 
  - Children should be raised by the State.  ZombieHorde   Nov-25-10 12:54 AM   #75 
  - I looked into it but the State didn't want them.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 01:06 AM   #78 
  - I think it is dumb.  Zax2me   Nov-25-10 01:06 AM   #77 
  - So, you think debating the billion dollar industry in marketing to children is silly?  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 01:24 AM   #79 
     - I think *legislating* it is silly.  Warren DeMontague   Nov-25-10 04:41 PM   #111 
        - San Francisco is actually behind a lot of places on this, it turns out.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:24 PM   #129 
           - But....they have Happy Meals under Chavez!  woo me with science   Nov-26-10 10:06 AM   #142 
              - That's it. He's on The List!  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 11:37 AM   #146 
  - Given your posts in this thread I think you view parents as helpess against advertising  Hippo_Tron   Nov-25-10 05:12 AM   #85 
  - No, that isn't my position as I have explained several times in the thread.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:58 AM   #90 
  - i think you should use the world "decouple" more. :) Toy liberated from Happy Meal!  NuttyFluffers   Nov-25-10 06:01 AM   #86 
  - I think we should ban everything I, personally, don't like.  Warren DeMontague   Nov-25-10 04:40 PM   #110 
  - You'd have an easier time if you could get someone like the American Pediatrics Assoc  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:09 PM   #124 
     - Or  Warren DeMontague   Nov-26-10 02:25 AM   #138 
        - Magical thinking, and like most libertarian positions, impractical  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 12:47 PM   #152 
           - So motorcycles are going to be outlawed in San Francisco, now?  Warren DeMontague   Nov-27-10 03:15 PM   #165 
  - I remember before there were Happy Meals and even then many children pined away for McDonald's  TheKentuckian   Nov-25-10 05:10 PM   #119 
  - Yes, we got prizes in Cracker Jacks and grew up to perfect shopping as a hobby.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:23 PM   #128 
     - No, I haven't but I despise shopping and do it only when I actually want something.  TheKentuckian   Nov-26-10 09:47 AM   #141 
        - That's pretty much what this law does.  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 12:43 PM   #150 
  - If I was Ronald McD, I would simply change my marketing  Countdown_3_2_1   Nov-25-10 06:26 PM   #121 
  - I'm sure the neighboring jurisdictions think it's brilliant, too -  lynne   Nov-25-10 08:05 PM   #123 
  - I hope it doesn't break us.  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:11 PM   #126 
  - Thats called a "parent". your entire line of reasoning is failed  Pavulon   Nov-25-10 08:13 PM   #127 
  - Kids don't know corporations from dandelions  Canuckistanian   Nov-25-10 08:25 PM   #130 
  - That's right. Kids don't know corporations from dandelions which makes them sitting ducks. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:27 PM   #131 
     - It's too bad they don't have anyone to explain it to them  Canuckistanian   Nov-25-10 08:45 PM   #133 
        - Good for him!  EFerrari   Nov-25-10 08:47 PM   #134 
  - I like it also. Those things should be named "Crappy Meal".  BlueJazz   Nov-25-10 08:35 PM   #132 
  - And this is how you make Republicans look intelligent. nt  ItNerd4life   Nov-26-10 12:34 PM   #148 
  - I don't know why people bother posting potshots in threads  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 12:37 PM   #149 
  - good move  amborin   Nov-26-10 12:43 PM   #151 
  - It's pretty sad that there are soooooooooooo many  ProudDad   Nov-26-10 01:01 PM   #154 
  - Oh, it's okay. We're brainwashed in this country  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:45 PM   #163 
  - It's a start.  Swamp Rat   Nov-26-10 07:12 PM   #159 
     - In the reading I've done for the thread, I found out that SF  EFerrari   Nov-26-10 07:48 PM   #164 

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