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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-10 12:29 PM
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"Attorney General Holder has indicted the former president for ordering torture."
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Edited on Thu Nov-11-10 12:39 PM by originalpckelly
What do you think would happen if that was to be a real headline? Civil war. Plainly put, civil war. At the very least riots, and almost certainly civil war.

This may be the reason we'll never really see a prosecution of Bush for torture. Obama has not formally pardoned him, but it's kind of understood that torture investigations are just not happening. It's a pardon without the political consequences for Obama.

However, civil war or not, he must prosecute. At risk is America's soul. This nation has done some terrible things, but usually it gets past those things and triumphs over the forces within it that want the terrible things to continue. How do we triumph over the forces that want to torture, if the president that ordered it walks free? You think these people will just fade away? HELL NO! They will come back, and they will do this again, only it will be other "bad people" they torture. You know, the kind that we think shouldn't be tortured right now. Regular criminals, not terrorists. How long until we do it to them? And if it hasn't already happened, when will torture innocent people? Although Bush hasn't admitted to the torture that went on Abu Graib, it seems incredibly strange to me that torture went on there, using some of the reported torture techniques used on the so-called "bad guys". And as I understand it, there were some innocent folks at Abu Graib.

SO, WHAT DO WE DO? Do we force the issue, and risk civil war? Do we leave it alone and move forward, risking America's real morality? (Not the kind the fundies talk about, but the kind that keeps us doing good things in the world.)

If there is anything in this world worth fighting for, it is our deepest moral beliefs. It is NOT a valid position to approve torture. It just isn't. It never will be.

The forces in this nation that believe torture acceptable must be overcome.

The security we hold so dear will be threatened if we don't. One way or the other we're fucked here folks. We might as well go down the path that has a possible good outcome.

Our side must force the issue, we must do it everyday, until Obama's team decides to prosecute.

If you think we can safely go on with an element in our nation that believes in such heinous things as torture, you're a moron.
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